DPI Titan 1080p-500 projector

[robena]

The new Titan 1080p-500 seems to be interesting if you need a high lumens projector.

It offers 6000 lumens, but the CR is only 2000:1.

2000:1 CR seems to be the norm with current high brightness projectors, like the Christie HD5K and the Sony 4K.

The Titan uses UHP lamps, although DPI claims a Xenon mode for them that makes it very close to real Xenon lamp.

I wonder if anybody knows if this claim is true, and what will be the pricing?

[Art Sonneborn]

I just wish we could see say 1000- 2000 lumens and 5000:1 to 10,000:1. I may end up retubing my CRTs which I never thought would happen.

I wonder if someone like Darin could custom modify one of these to get better sequential CR ?

Art

[robena]

Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn

I just wish we could see say 1000- 2000 lumens and 5000:1 to 10,000:1. I may end up retubing my CRTs which I never thought would happen.

I wonder if someone like Darin could custom modify one of these to get better sequential CR ?

The 1080p-250 offers 2000 Lumens and 5000:1 CR. That seems close to what you need.

[CINERAMAX]

This projector was not portraying anything close to 2k-1 cr in it's debut, sure the light levels in the room were elevated, but the projector clearly needed work.

I have more expectations for the single bulb unit, and the eventual introduction of a single lamp xenon 1-000-1500 watt cermax. These later units will have brightness in spades to modify. In fact they will build this to spec.

Part of the problem with the dual lamp units is that the physical gap necessary for the two intersecting light paths to traverse, cannot be effectively clamped down for high contrast mod. (where you throw away 2/3d's of the light).SEE PIC.

In the picture you will see what separates the digital projection UHP bulb from the rest of the pack (SIM/Panny), these filters clip off the excess blue and green peaks to help emulate xenon, when calibrated.

[odyssey]

You have to be careful with the CR specs. It’s usually at native and not D65. If it’s 2000:1 at native, it’s usually 1500:1 at D65.

[Mr.Poindexter]

WHile I agree with the CR specs, DPI has been very honest with their quotes as it relates to their Mercury line, which has now been moved into the Titan chassis. For example, they rate their Mercury/Titan HD as 1500 lumens or more with 4,000:1 or greater while calibrated to D6500K, (+/-500K). All those numbers are minimums and are generally exceeded by a decent margin.

[CINERAMAX]

Yes DPI comes closer than chirstie or barco to d65 out of the box.

[W.Mayer]

i talk with dpi today and they told me that
the first units will be out late september or beginning october.

also i ask them if they can may tune the bright one to have a better cr. and
they told me that because they know me (i have a 1280x1024 3 chip dlp from them)
they will do it and guess that this unit may will have 3500:1 cr. and 3500 ansi.

this in not a officially product but if more people like it it will be helpful.

i think the difference from the possible 4500-5000:1 to "only" 3500:1 is not as big
as more light at the screen.
so if i will replace my qualia thats may a good compromise "if"
the false contour bug from dlp is not to bad.

[Art Sonneborn]

Originally Posted by W.Mayer

i talk with dpi today and they told me that
the first units will be out late september or beginning october.

also i ask them if they can may tune the bright one to have a better cr. and
they told me that because they know me (i have a 1280x1024 3 chip dlp from them)
they will do it and guess that this unit may will have 3500:1 cr. and 3500 ansi.

this in not a officially product but if more people like it it will be helpful.

i think the difference from the possible 4500-5000:1 to "only" 3500:1 is not as big
as more light at the screen.
so if i will replace my qualia thats may a good compromise "if"
the false contour bug from dlp is not to bad.

So I wonder if they could mod it to do 7500:1 sequential CR and 1000 ANSI lumens.Wolfgang since you are pulling strings could you ask them for me ?

Art

[CINERAMAX]

Not without an autoiris. Remember that the initial plate iris can only be so small because of the dual lamps (picture above).

I agree with wolfgang that 3500>1 contrast is good enough for calibrated 3200 lumens, I just think it's going to be difficult to attain due to the complex light path.

[Art Sonneborn]

Darin Perrigo did some custom mods on digitals obtaining 10,000:1 without a DI. It resulted in only 4 fL but he started out with only about 1000 lumens or less to work with.

Art

[W.Mayer]

art

yes i will ask but i think cineramax say it right.
i don't think that is a big step in picture quality.

one good thing is that dpi are very reliable on spec.numbers.
when i got my blacklight from them few years ago all the numbers. cr. and light out are
a lot more(cr. if i remember it right was 10% more and light out was 25% more)
than the spec. say.
but we have to find out as odysee say if the no. are at d65.

[Art Sonneborn]

Well having sat and looked critically at several digital PJs with sequential CR around 2000:1 , I'd personally like a lot more if it is feasable. If I can throw 10 to 16fL and the highest seqential possible that would be my personal goal. My screen would be no more than 15' wide.

Art

[odyssey]

Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn

Well having sat and looked critically at several digital PJs with sequential CR around 2000:1 , I'd personally like a lot more if it is feasable. If I can throw 10 to 16fL and the highest seqential possible that would be my personal goal. My screen would be no more than 15' wide.

Art

As robena suggested, you should get detailed information about the 1080p250. If the 5000:1 CR spec is at D65, and very tightly D65 and not 6500 CCT +/- 500, you are close to what you are looking for. You should also think higher than 10fL for the low end of your luminance range, and for the entire life of the lamp. The current DCI spec for digital cinema white is 14fL.

[Art Sonneborn]

Yes, certainly 5000:1 is a relatively nice number. I'm hoping DPI will have decent demo set ups this year at CEDIA if not perhaps I could arrange a demo here.

Art

[CINERAMAX]

I am sure the titan hd 250 will be smokin at cedia.

[Ericglo]

3000 - 5000 to 1? Ummm, I sincerely disagree. If you tell me the TI demo at Infocomm was 5000 to 1, then I would change my mind. Since they were claiming 20k to 1, I considered that in the range of acceptable.

Ericglo

[CINERAMAX]

That was a hyped 20k to 1. More like 13k>1. And there were breathing artifacts and restricted 16m color colorimetry, not so with 3 chippers.

[Art Sonneborn]

Are we still a way out gentlemen ? I watched Aeon Flux tonight on HDDVD. There were some night scenes which will now be part of my demo series at my meet next weekend.

By the way this is now my top shelf HD.

Art

[Ohlson]

Art S.
Either you get DPI TITAN 1080p-250 and you get the lumen but not the contrast or you get Zorro but not the lumen.
http://www.seos.com/Black

Since Zorro is too few lumen I guess you have to look into future 3DLP projectors with an auto-iris. Before the chorus complainng about auto-iris start to sing I would like to say that you can turn it off.

Will we see high contrast 3DLP with auto-iris implementations? I do not count Panasonic´s offering due to the low native contrast.

[W.Mayer]

the new sharp will be may the first dlp with di.

to get the 12000:1 there is no other way at the moment.

[Art Sonneborn]

Wolfgang,
Really, you have a unique problem on this forum with your very nice screen size. With me I'd need a lot less light so letting go of more than half of the lumens might be an option. Anyway ,it looks like the next year will be fun.

Peter,
I don't doubt they will have a display but, if it's anything like they did last year, it would be useless for knowing much about the devices capabilities.

Art

[odyssey]

These DPI models have HD-SDI input capability and that’s important. They have DVI and not HDMI inputs and that almost always causes problems with incorrect colorspace, forced RGB instead of YCbCr, etc. HD-SDI gets around all of that and many consumer HD sources can be modified for HD-SDI output, including the HD satellite receivers launched in Europe.

[Art Sonneborn]

Has anyone modified the A1 for HDSDI yet ?

Art

[CINERAMAX]

Ask LJG.

[CINERAMAX]

Has anyone modded the Dish 622 for the hd-sdi?

[odyssey]

Art,

To have a chance of approaching your CR goal and use of a 15’ wide screen, you will need a single lamp design with at least 4000:1 CR at D65 and at least 6000 lumens.

You should also be aware that the low end gamma processing is very important in how low APL images look and an optimized curve will make many previously unacceptable images look good. Also, it’s unlikely that the manufacturer will demonstrate a unit using such a curve. I am still working on this, using mostly other people’s work, and can’t tell you yet what the best curve is. So far, I like S shaped curves best, but there are a lot of possible curves to look at with 4096 points available. The gamma processing is also at 12 bits, which is one of the reasons why my projector, as most current high end DLP designs, don’t have Wolfgang’s DLP “bugs.”

[CINERAMAX]

Originally Posted by Ohlson

Art S.
Either you get DPI TITAN 1080p-250 and you get the lumen but not the contrast or you get Zorro but not the lumen.
http://www.seos.com/Black

Since Zorro is too few lumen I guess you have to look into future 3DLP projectors with an auto-iris. Before the chorus complainng about auto-iris start to sing I would like to say that you can turn it off.

Will we see high contrast 3DLP with auto-iris implementations? I do not count Panasonic´s offering due to the low native contrast.

Yeah the Zorro is M Haffners PJ alright.

Before you start calling the critics "the chorus" you need to phisically see and experience the breathing artifacts. No matter how you slice it, DI is a gimmick that calls attention to itelf as frequent (or more) than the problem it is trying to solve.

The image brightness was being randomly suffocated in the Superman clip segment of the last TI Dynamic Black demo. The crushed dynamics reduced the already meager 16 million color pallete in the same way a cheap movie theater does when they are stretching the last hour of the lamp. This severely restricted my enjoyment of this otherwise near-perfect single chip presentation.

3dlp with autoiris IS COMING, no doubt, but only after Dynamic black has been succesfully launched on single chippers so you are looking at 2008.

[W.Mayer]

Really, you have a unique problem on this forum with your very nice screen size.

no art i have no problem with it i enjoy it

all pr. so far you have to make a compromise.

its all about how important several things are like cr. color light out and..........

people rate it different.
i was fine till today with my qualia. i like more cr. yes no question
i like more light no questions but i like also my very large screen and i can not found a replacement for the qualia so far as you have not found a new pr.

may that change with the upcoming 3 chip dlps.
lets see i will get one of the very early ones for a test as also a other 3 chip dlp.

[CINERAMAX]

Wolfgang:

Sell all of your projectors and buy an Flm hd 14. You will be smiling and crying as to how beautiful the image is. That is the perfect 1080p projector right now.

It comes with stock 2,300>1 contrast (irised lens), then you change the projector plate and you should be over 3,600 scr/3,600 al @ d-65. The lens is superb. This thing KILLED THE CHRISTIE 1080p (sheissen).

Otherwise wait for the Titan with single high power bulb, Next Summer.

If your screen is 21 feet wide, that is 188 square feet 57.3 square meters.

3600 al /188=19 Foot Lamberts. You should want to have 20-21 FL as a goal, you can lower the lamp intensity to 16-14 if you want to.