Athena AS-P400 vs AS-P4000

primetimeguy · 08-11-06, 06:02 PM

I have read through all the threads I can find on these subs and from what I can tell people feel the AS-P400 was built better and sounds a bit better. But with the 4000 was the port noise reduced some? I have a 400 that has quite a bit of port noise when you get under 30hz.

Jakeman02 · 08-11-06, 11:05 PM

I've got both, each on different budget systems with Point5s. For the price I think they are both a bargan. The only real difference I've found so far is my 4000 had issues with my hardwood floor due to the down firing port. Rather than work on floor treatment of some kind I found the 400 new on ebay and moved the 4000 to my other system in a room with carpet. As far as prefering one over the other it's a toss up for me, lot's of people here prefer the 400 though.

primetimeguy · 08-11-06, 11:53 PM

So you don't notice any difference it port noise? Doesn't the 4000 have 2 rear ports and therefore more port area? If so, my thoughts are this will reduce the port noise that I am hearing below 30hz on the 400 as compared to the 4000.

Jakeman02 · 08-12-06, 01:52 AM

The 4000 has 2 ports, one on the front and one on the bottom, noone in the back. I haven't encounted any problems with them other than the conflict between the 4000 and the hardwood floor but I've got everything leveled and don't try to shake the foundation with them eather. I did notice some at extreamly high volumes with music, wasn't that bad tho, before I leveled everything with a RS Meter. I found out I was running my subs extreamly to hot.

cneely8 · 08-12-06, 11:34 AM

Another option right now, depending on budget, is the 6000 from athena. $250 from audioadvicor.com. Some folks seems to like that one at this price.

Jakeman02 · 08-12-06, 11:44 AM

The 6000 would be a upgrade over the 4000. In that price range I'd also look at the Bic H-100 which most consider to be the best under <$300.

remanhawk · 08-12-06, 01:00 PM

I THOUGHT THEY DISCONTINUED the p400..audio advisor is now selling the p400
and not the p4000 like athena went back making p4000..i own the p4000 and
am pretty pleased with it..

reman

primetimeguy · 08-12-06, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by remanhawk

I THOUGHT THEY DISCONTINUED the p400..audio advisor is now selling the p400
and not the p4000 like athena went back making p4000..i own the p4000 and
am pretty pleased with it..

reman

It was discontinued but there are a few out there still. I already have the 400 and since they were so cheap I was going to pick up another and go with the two subwoofer approach. So here are my options:

Get one more 400 for about $250

Get two 4000's since I can find them a bit cheaper, total about $370. I would do this if the 4000's have less port noise. But I like my 400 and a lot of people say the 400 is better.

Or if I'm going to buy 2 subs, why not get two 6000's. That pushes me over $500 and more than I was going to spend. Will the 6000 sound as good as my 400, just louder and lower? I listen to a lot of concert DVDs and music and the 400 is very musical. Will this be the case if I move up to the 6000?

That's my dilema.....

Jakeman02 · 08-12-06, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by remanhawk

I THOUGHT THEY DISCONTINUED the p400..audio advisor is now selling the p400
and not the p4000 like athena went back making p4000..i own the p4000 and
am pretty pleased with it..

reman

the 300 and 400 is discontinued but you can still find them around. I purchase a new 400 off ebay not to long ago and I'm guessing most of them are Best Buy overstocks since they use to carry athena. Mine came with Best Buy stamped all over the box.

Jakeman02 · 08-12-06, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by primetimeguy

It was discontinued but there are a few out there still. I already have the 400 and since they were so cheap I was going to pick up another and go with the two subwoofer approach. So here are my options:

Get one more 400 for about $250

Get two 4000's since I can find them a bit cheaper, total about $370. I would do this if the 4000's have less port noise. But I like my 400 and a lot of people say the 400 is better.

Or if I'm going to buy 2 subs, why not get two 6000's. That pushes me over $500 and more than I was going to spend. Will the 6000 sound as good as my 400, just louder and lower? I listen to a lot of concert DVDs and music and the 400 is very musical. Will this be the case if I move up to the 6000?

That's my dilema.....

Since you've already got a 400 and want to go with two, get another 400. If you're thinking of moving into the 6000 price range you'd be better off thinking other than Athean anyway. Since you've got a 400 go with it, it'll be less investment. As far as the 400s price you can find them at the same price as the 4000 new on ebay right now. I paid $160 for mine shipped, new in box.

remanhawk · 08-12-06, 05:46 PM

you people are not listening,why would audio advisor go back selling p400, instead
of
the p4000 they been selling all along.....are any of you audiophiles getting my drift..
doesnt make sense...you people here are losing your creditability very fast...
AUDIO ADVISOR SELLS HIGH END ITEMS>>>THEY DONT SELL ITEMS THEY PURCHASED
FROM EBAY>why are they selling the p400 and the p4000 is no longer on their site.
get my drift now....

primetimeguy · 08-12-06, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by remanhawk

you people are not listening,why would audio advisor go back selling p400, instead
of
the p4000 they been selling all along.....are any of you audiophiles getting my drift..
doesnt make sense...you people here are losing your creditability very fast...
AUDIO ADVISOR SELLS HIGH END ITEMS>>>THEY DONT SELL ITEMS THEY PURCHASED
FROM EBAY>why are they selling the p400 and the p4000 is no longer on their site.
get my drift now....

Not sure, could it just be they are out at the moment? You can find them everywhere else.

primetimeguy · 08-12-06, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakeman02

I paid $160 for mine shipped, new in box.

That is exactly what sparked this whole deal for me, when I saw a bunch had just sold on ebay so cheap. But there haven't been any since and I'm patiently waiting.

cherry ghost · 08-12-06, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by remanhawk

you people are not listening,why would audio advisor go back selling p400, instead
of
the p4000 they been selling all along.....are any of you audiophiles getting my drift..
doesnt make sense...you people here are losing your creditability very fast...
AUDIO ADVISOR SELLS HIGH END ITEMS>>>THEY DONT SELL ITEMS THEY PURCHASED
FROM EBAY>why are they selling the p400 and the p4000 is no longer on their site.
get my drift now....

I'm beginning to think that Athena is coming out with a new line of subs. Audioadvisor doesn't even list the 4000 or 6000 anymore. I think they're sold out and not expecting more. If they were simply out and waiting more, they'd still list them and show them as back ordered. The 400 listing might just be them helping Athena get rid of some old stock.

colin.p · 08-12-06, 08:05 PM

Just a quick note, that in Canada, Future Shop has dropped the price quite substantially on the whole line of athena speakers. They were offering the P-400 for $199 CAN, but no longer seem to have it. They have the P-300 for $169 CAN though.
They sell the AS-P4000 for $399 and no longer sell the 6000 (I bought one in December for $399, regularly $549).
From what I remember of the first Audition line, I think athena is getting rid of old stock and getting ready to come out with an updated line, probably new subs as well.
As far as port noise, my 6000 hasn't any that I can discern and I play it as loud as I can comfortably handle.

primetimeguy · 08-12-06, 08:38 PM

Over in the Athena Owners Thread I found this....

"As the sales manager of an independent retailer, who has sold Athena since the original SCT series, I can tell you that Athena is just fine. API has kept this line-up pretty small only releasing the updated AS-x.2 series (change of woofer and tweeter trim color to silver) and the WS series in the past year or so. This year we will see some minor changes as well.

The AS-B2.2, the F1.2, and the AS-P6000 are going away (in fact, my rep told me this past week that the P6000 is already sold out). The WS series is changing color from silver to black aluminum. The in-wall/ceiling line may not last the year unless API sees a major purchasing commitment from a box box retailer. The Micra-6 will only be offered as a 5.1 HTiB which explains the individual packs being sold out through Target.

Athena plans to introduce at least a couple new models probably serving as replacements for the B2.2 and F1.2. All I have been told is that there will be a new bookshelf model this year accompanied by a dual 6.5" tower. Too soon to tell if they will be inserted into the Audition series or if they will be the foundation of a new line-up.

So, once all the changes are done, API is still planning on keeping the Athena brand a small tightly-focused line, and I'm sure they'll be around for some time to come (with or without BB). At least I hope they're not going anywhere because it has been a great line to sell over the past 6 years."

No mention of the 400 or 4000 but eliminating the 6000. Maybe that is a sign they will be coming out with a new 10" design.

benjosevilla · 02-05-07, 03:45 PM

I have been exchanging emails with the Athena product manager in Canada. The 4000 is now 4100 with just a cosmetic change. The 6000 has been dropped since there has not been a big demand on 12 inch subs. I was able to get mine from AudioAdvisors. Most retailers do not carry the 6000 anymore. I think the 6000 is best for larger rooms. The 6000 will "walk" on hardwood floors which I experienced during the breakin period.

Jack White · 02-07-07, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakeman02

The 6000 would be a upgrade over the 4000. In that price range I'd also look at the Bic H-100 which most consider to be the best under <$300.

I think the 6000 is probably one of the most underrated subs on here. It's a sleeper and it goes extremely deep for the price 21 hz @-3 db. It is also very musical.

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benjosevilla Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 444	Athena subs I have been exchanging emails with the Athena product manager in Canada. The 4000 is now 4100 with just a cosmetic change. The 6000 has been dropped since there has not been a big demand on 12 inch subs. I was able to get mine from AudioAdvisors. Most retailers do not carry the 6000 anymore. I think the 6000 is best for larger rooms. The 6000 will "walk" on hardwood floors which I experienced during the breakin period.

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Jakeman02 AVS Special Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 6,222 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	I've got both, each on different budget systems with Point5s. For the price I think they are both a bargan. The only real difference I've found so far is my 4000 had issues with my hardwood floor due to the down firing port. Rather than work on floor treatment of some kind I found the 400 new on ebay and moved the 4000 to my other system in a room with carpet. As far as prefering one over the other it's a toss up for me, lot's of people here prefer the 400 though.

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Jakeman02 AVS Special Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 6,222 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	The 4000 has 2 ports, one on the front and one on the bottom, noone in the back. I haven't encounted any problems with them other than the conflict between the 4000 and the hardwood floor but I've got everything leveled and don't try to shake the foundation with them eather. I did notice some at extreamly high volumes with music, wasn't that bad tho, before I leveled everything with a RS Meter. I found out I was running my subs extreamly to hot.

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Jakeman02 AVS Special Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 6,222 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	The 6000 would be a upgrade over the 4000. In that price range I'd also look at the Bic H-100 which most consider to be the best under <$300.

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remanhawk Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 65	you people are not listening,why would audio advisor go back selling p400, instead of the p4000 they been selling all along.....are any of you audiophiles getting my drift.. doesnt make sense...you people here are losing your creditability very fast... AUDIO ADVISOR SELLS HIGH END ITEMS>>>THEY DONT SELL ITEMS THEY PURCHASED FROM EBAY>why are they selling the p400 and the p4000 is no longer on their site. get my drift now....

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primetimeguy AVS Special Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 1,659	Over in the Athena Owners Thread I found this.... "As the sales manager of an independent retailer, who has sold Athena since the original SCT series, I can tell you that Athena is just fine. API has kept this line-up pretty small only releasing the updated AS-x.2 series (change of woofer and tweeter trim color to silver) and the WS series in the past year or so. This year we will see some minor changes as well. The AS-B2.2, the F1.2, and the AS-P6000 are going away (in fact, my rep told me this past week that the P6000 is already sold out). The WS series is changing color from silver to black aluminum. The in-wall/ceiling line may not last the year unless API sees a major purchasing commitment from a box box retailer. The Micra-6 will only be offered as a 5.1 HTiB which explains the individual packs being sold out through Target. Athena plans to introduce at least a couple new models probably serving as replacements for the B2.2 and F1.2. All I have been told is that there will be a new bookshelf model this year accompanied by a dual 6.5" tower. Too soon to tell if they will be inserted into the Audition series or if they will be the foundation of a new line-up. So, once all the changes are done, API is still planning on keeping the Athena brand a small tightly-focused line, and I'm sure they'll be around for some time to come (with or without BB). At least I hope they're not going anywhere because it has been a great line to sell over the past 6 years." No mention of the 400 or 4000 but eliminating the 6000. Maybe that is a sign they will be coming out with a new 10" design.