New Sub Needed Bad!!

[DrPainMD]

Hi, I'm looking into getting a new(only NEW, not used) sub for my basement HT to replace my Advent 8" and was wondering what all of you might suggest for me. My room size is 16x12x8 with no openings to other rooms. My listening pleasure is about 60% movies/tv - 40% music(rock,hiphop,dance). I can get a Velodyne DPS-12 @ my local FutureShop for $685(CDN) including tax. My budget is $500-800 (including all the taxes, etc...), knowing that I would mostly have to buy something coming from the states, I have to take into consideration shipping, taxes, duties and the exchange rate.

My question is, can I get something comparable to it or "better" ?

Thanks in Advance,

DrPainMD

[PaulT_BC]

Don't know how it would compare to the Velo, but the HSU VTF2- MkII can be had for 700CAD plus tax:
http://www.hi-fidelity.com/DVDCases.htm
There are now HSU Dealers all over Canada

An SVS PB10-NSD will probably land at your door in Canada around 700CAD or more.
Looks like they will announce a Canadian Distributor in the next few days, so you may want to hold out for that and see what the prices (in Canada) will be:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...6&postcount=30

[DrPainMD]

any other suggestions besides those 2?

[ransac]

Try sending slalanc01 a PM and ask what he paid for a Paradigm PS-1200. They are Canadian. The PS-1200 doesn't look like a bad sub by the specs. 12", 200Watt, 21Hz.

Or try Axiom. They are also a Canadian company. Look at the EP-350

Paradigm sells through dealers and Axiom is an ID company.

Even though these are Canadian companies, I would bet I can buy their products for less in the US than you can in Canada.

[DrPainMD]

I got a quote from my local paradigm dealer for the PS-1200 for $799(CDN)+tax. Would that be comparable to a SVS 20-39pci for roughly the same price?

[WolfsBane]

Originally Posted by DrPainMD

I got a quote from my local paradigm dealer for the PS-1200 for $799+tax. Would that be comparable to a SVS 20-39pci for roughly the same price?

The 20-39pci is $599 + shipping. It has a more powerful amp, goes deeper with authority. If you prefer a box, also take a look at the new PB12-NSD for the same price.

[ransac]

Based on the specs, they are very comparable. The PCi is rated to 20Hz with a 12" driver and a 320 Watt amp. The PS-1200 is rated for in-room. The SVS will be a few Hz lower in-room. The PB12-NSD is rated to 18Hz with a lower in-room response with a 325 watt amp, and is the same price as the PCi. The PB is a box and the PC is a cylinder.
As far as max SPL, I don't know. I would have to think the SVS subs have a higher max than the Para.

The Paradigms go for $600 in the US. Add exchange rate and they are $666. I can't explain why you can get a Canadian made product in the US cheaper than in Canada. Unless they are made in China and it is cheaper to import them directly to the US.

[DrPainMD]

Thanks alot to all of you who replied, I think SVS will be annoucing soon thier Canadian auth resellers in the next few days. Guess wait and see what prices are then.

[ransac]

Do you have any friends/relatives in Maine? Not sure of all the rules, but it may be less to have a US sub shipped to a US location, close to you, and you pick it up and take it back over the border.

[DrPainMD]

Are there any reasons to choose a box over a cylinder or vice versa?

[ransac]

Sonically, they are very similar. The cylinder has a smaller footprint, is lighter, and is easier to move. In the case of the PB12-NSD vs the 20-39 PCi, the box goes deeper by a few Hz.

[WolfsBane]

Other than cosmetics, not really. The box has a larger footprint horizontally. The cylinder is 16 inches in diameter, 39 inches tall. Performance-wise, they should be about the same.

[DrPainMD]

Originally Posted by ransac

Do you have any friends/relatives in Maine? Not sure of all the rules, but it may be less to have a US sub shipped to a US location, close to you, and you pick it up and take it back over the border.

No I don't

[DrPainMD]

Originally Posted by WolfsBane

Other than cosmetics, not really. The box has a larger footprint horizontally. The cylinder is 16 inches in diameter, 39 inches tall. Performance-wise, they should be about the same.

thanks

[Lukeh]

I dont know where you are located in NB, if you are realitvy close to the border consider shopping in Maine. You can find some great deals. You potentially could find and other brands / models to audition and purchase.

I have found that making purchases in the US (even after paying duty, US tax, and exchange) you save about 10 - 20%. As an example the Velodyne DPS-12 that you referenced in your first post you could get at FS for 685$ CAD. That same model at circut city is on sale for 522$ USD. Even after tax and duty etc. you are paying the same as the CAD net price.

Just some food for thought

[DrPainMD]

Originally Posted by Lukeh

I dont know where you are located in NB, if you are realitvy close to the border consider shopping in Maine. You can find some great deals. You potentially could find and other brands / models to audition and purchase.

I have found that making purchases in the US (even after paying duty, US tax, and exchange) you save about 10 - 20%. As an example the Velodyne DPS-12 that you referenced in your first post you could get at FS for 685$ CAD. That same model at circut city is on sale for 522$ USD. Even after tax and duty etc. you are paying the same as the CAD net price.

Just some food for thought

Yah, but wouldnt help with SVS models, but thanks

[ransac]

Originally Posted by DrPainMD

WOW never thought of that, could save on the shipping.

I'm in Moncton,N.B
Anyone know of any stores near the border in Maine?

That's 297 KM to Houlton, ME and 394 KM to Bangor, ME. Not exactly a trip to the mall. It would be helpful to know what all the costs are for a Canuk to bring US purchases into Canada. Most Canadians are close to the border and this may be a good alternative, cost wise, to buying in Canada. As I said earlier, you can even get Canadian products for less in the US.

Any of you hosers done this before?

[DrPainMD]

Originally Posted by ransac

That's 297 KM to Houlton, ME and 394 KM to Bangor, ME. Not exactly a trip to the mall. It would be helpful to know what all the costs are for a Canuk to bring US purchases into Canada. Most Canadians are close to the border and this may be a good alternative, cost wise, to buying in Canada. As I said earlier, you can even get Canadian products for less in the US.

Any of you hosers done this before?

LOL I'm bad with the edit button.

A 3 hour plus drive to Houlton. I think the costs would be just the duty stuff, the same as it would be if shipped. Then I would have the warranty issues if bought in the USA.

[ransac]

Originally Posted by DrPainMD

LOL I'm bad with the edit button.

A 3 hour plus drive to Houlton. I think the costs would be just the duty stuff, the same as it would be if shipped. Then I would have the warranty issues if bought in the USA.

So you would avoid GST/PST/HST or whatever tax? Of course, if you bought at a retail store, you would have to pay the state sales tax.

[DrPainMD]

do they sell svs or hsu at retail stores?

[ransac]

Originally Posted by DrPainMD

do they sell svs or hsu at retail stores?

HSU, some but very few. I believe CompUSA does. SVS, no.

I was asking more in general about what is involved with individuals importing US products for personal use by driving goods over the border. If you did buy at a retail store, you would pay the state's sales tax. But, would you also have to pay GST when you cross the border?

[DrPainMD]

Originally Posted by ransac

HSU, some but very few. I believe CompUSA does. SVS, no.

I was asking more in general about what is involved with individuals importing US products for personal use by driving goods over the border. If you did buy at a retail store, you would pay the satae's sales tax. But, would you also have to pay GST when you cross the border?

No idea, but did you hear about some new border fees for fruits(insert Tom Cruise joke here) and veggies?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...901?hub=Canada

[DrPainMD]

I think I would half to pay my gst/hst ow whatever!

http://canadaonline.about.com/gi/dyn...Frc4044-e.html

Personal exemptions

When you return to Canada, you may qualify for a personal exemption. This personal exemption allows you to bring goods of a certain value into the country without paying the regular duties. However, a minimum duty may apply to some tobacco products.

The term duties can include excise taxes, and GST/HST. It does not include provincial or territorial sales tax. However, the CBSA have working agreements with some provinces and territories that allow us to collect provincial and territorial taxes, levies, and fees on goods that have a value higher than your personal exemption.

After each absence of 48 hours or more

You can claim up to CAN$200 worth of goods without paying any duties. You must have the goods with you when you arrive. Although you can include some tobacco products and alcoholic beverages, only a partial exemption will apply to cigarettes, tobacco sticks, or manufactured tobacco. You may have to pay a special duty on these products. You can find more details under the section “Tobacco and alcohol.”
After each absence of seven days or more

You can claim up to CAN$750 worth of goods without paying any duties. With the exception of tobacco products and alcoholic beverages, you do not need to have the goods with you when you arrive. Although you can include some tobacco products and alcoholic beverages, only a partial exemption will apply to cigarettes, tobacco sticks, and manufactured tobacco. You may have to pay a special duty on these products.

To calculate the number of days you have been absent, do not include the date you leave Canada, but include the date you return. Dates matter, not times. For example, we consider you to have been absent seven days if you left Friday the 7th and returned Friday the 14th.
Who is eligible for these exemptions?

You are eligible for a personal exemption if you are a:

* Canadian resident returning from a trip outside Canada;
* former resident of Canada returning to live in this country; or
* temporary resident of Canada returning from a trip outside Canada.

Even young children and infants are entitled to a personal exemption. As a parent or guardian, you can make a declaration to the CBSA for a child, as long as the goods you are declaring are for the child’s use.

If you reside in one of the provinces or territories that has a working agreement with the CBSA and you return to Canada at a port of entry in your province or territory of residence, the goods that you import in excess of your personal exemption will be subject to the provincial/territorial assessment. If you bring in more than the free allowance of alcohol, you will have to pay the provincial or territorial assessment for the province/territory where you enter Canada, even if it is not your province/territory of residence.

The federal government has agreements with New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland and Labrador to collect HST at a rate of 15%. If you live in a participating province or territory and the value of the non-commercial goods you import is more than your personal exemption, you have to pay HST instead of GST, regardless of where you enter Canada.

Except for restricted items, you can bring back any amount of goods as long as you are willing to pay the duties and any provincial or territorial assessments that apply. This rule applies even if you do not qualify for a personal exemption.

You must always report the amount you are claiming for your personal exemption in Canadian dollars. You must therefore convert foreign currency values and any foreign sales taxes you paid to Canadian dollars at the appropriate rate of exchange.

What are your personal exemptions?
After each absence of 24 hours or more

You can claim up to CAN$50 worth of goods without paying any duties. This is your personal exemption. You must have the goods with you when you arrive, and you cannot include tobacco products or alcoholic beverages in this exemption.

If the goods you bring in are worth more than CAN$50 in total, you cannot claim this exemption. Instead you have to pay full duties on all goods you bring in.

[ransac]

Sounds like they got you coming and going. Not only would you have to pay the retail tax at point of sale, but the GST and PST plus duty. Why is it that tax collection is the only thing governments get right?
So shipping costs and brokers fees are the only items you can circumvent by crossing the border. Since you would have to pay local sales tax, not sure this is such a bargain.
I thought they would let you have a larger personal exemption than $50.

[DrPainMD]

Originally Posted by ransac

Sounds like they got you coming and going. Not only would you have to pay the retail tax at point of sale, but the GST and PST plus duty. Why is it that tax collection is the only thing governments get right?
So shipping costs and brokers fees are the only items you can circumvent by crossing the border. Since you would have to pay local sales tax, not sure this is such a bargain.
I thought they would let you have a larger personal exemption than $50.

They do if you stay longer in the US.

After each absence of 48 hours or more, which for me would require spending more money there.

"You can claim up to CAN$200 worth of goods without paying any duties. You must have the goods with you when you arrive. Although you can include some tobacco products and alcoholic beverages, only a partial exemption will apply to cigarettes, tobacco sticks, or manufactured tobacco. You may have to pay a special duty on these products. You can find more details under the section “Tobacco and alcohol.”
After each absence of seven days or more

After 7 days You can claim up to CAN$750 worth of goods without paying any duties. With the exception of tobacco products and alcoholic beverages, you do not need to have the goods with you when you arrive. Although you can include some tobacco products and alcoholic beverages, only a partial exemption will apply to cigarettes, tobacco sticks, and manufactured tobacco. You may have to pay a special duty on these products.

To calculate the number of days you have been absent, do not include the date you leave Canada, but include the date you return. Dates matter, not times. For example, we consider you to have been absent seven days if you left Friday the 7th and returned Friday the 14th.
Who is eligible for these exemptions?

You are eligible for a personal exemption if you are a:

* Canadian resident returning from a trip outside Canada;
* former resident of Canada returning to live in this country; or
* temporary resident of Canada returning from a trip outside Canada.

Even young children and infants are entitled to a personal exemption. As a parent or guardian, you can make a declaration to the CBSA for a child, as long as the goods you are declaring are for the child’s use."

[ransac]

See what happens as you age. I read this, but the $50 one is the last I saw, so that is what I retained. I think I need a brain surgeon.

[DrPainMD]

it was probably me editing again, not your age..LOL, I thought I added it but ..nope.

[ransac]

Don't discount the onset of senility. It does have it's advantages.

[DrPainMD]

Originally Posted by ransac

Don't discount the onset of senility. It does have it's advantages.

Like, "honey are you coming to bed soon?"

and your answer in all honesty is yes but you never end up going..

[WolfsBane]

My understanding is that HSU already has a point for retail somewhere in Canada. There is talk about SVS making an anouncement about a deal to sale their subs in Canada through a local vendor. SVS sub BASH amps are made by Indigo MFG in Canada.