New <$300 sub choices from Elemental Designs...

Willd · 11-14-06, 02:14 PM

Well things have settled down now. The subs haven't been <$300 for a while, but the folks who own them seem to be pleased.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/index.php?cPath=2_41

Sdiver2489 · 11-14-06, 02:27 PM

Lol they look like bricks!

mynym · 11-14-06, 07:19 PM

Nice post Wild!

Here is there entire lineup of HT subs --> http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/index.php?cPath=2_41

Although I've never heard any of these, judging from their huge following in the car audio scene I am sure these will be a big hit.

Now the big question. Can the A3 outperform the PB10?

billybob_jcv · 11-15-06, 12:29 AM

I hope they sound good, 'cause even for a sub they are fuuugly!

ALL of their single-driver subs can do 18-100 hz +/-3dB? The dual-driver can do 10-100 hz +/-3dB? I'm a cynical skeptic - I'd like to see the test results...

mikeinnj · 11-15-06, 01:37 AM

OH MY GOD!!
I've got two of their 10" subs loaded in a sealed enclosure in my car running 200w RMS each and they are unbelievable, very musical, they hit hard, are not boomy and shake the crap out of my car! Watch some of the videos for their subs and midbass drivers on their site. They can handle some SERIOUS excursion.

I was JUST about to plop down ~$220 for the BIC H-100, but screw that! I wanna try out this new A2-250! As for looks, Do Not Care. This puppy goes down to 18Hz and has more wattage than the H-100. Sign me up!

Willd · 11-15-06, 01:40 AM

Quote:

I was JUST about to plop down ~$220 for the BIC H-100, but screw that! I wanna try out this new A2-250! As for looks, Do Not Care. This puppy goes down to 18Hz and has more wattage than the H-100.

Exactly. The 250 does have a smaller driver though.

Exocer · 11-15-06, 01:49 AM

Yeah at this price it makes stiff competition for the H-100 as far as specs go. It does have a lower tune than the H-100 so that definitely means more extension. As far as output? We'll need some tests to confirm.

Im unsure if the A2-250 uses the 10 or 12" driver though.

mynym · 11-15-06, 08:07 AM

I'd go with the A2-300. It uses a 12" and is louder than the more expensive (by $115) A3-250. Cheaper shipping too.

I believe their XMAX ratings are rather conservative juding from the videos on their website. Insane XMAX.

Willd · 11-15-06, 12:09 PM

Quote:

believe their XMAX ratings are rather conservative juding from the videos on their website. Insane XMAX.

They're just being honest by posting the linear xmax. I am sure the xmech is a decent bit higher.

But yeah, I'd choose the A2-300 as well.

sjetski71 · 11-15-06, 06:30 PM

Wow,

Why couldn't these have been around a few months ago, before i purchased these two darn subwoofers i have now

Thanks for posting these OP ( thanks for the buyers remorse as well ! lol j/k )

ninefivezero · 11-15-06, 08:16 PM

I'd love to see some reviews of these, anyone find any? My god they are ugly though...

mikeinnj · 11-15-06, 10:03 PM

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go for the A2-300 over the 250. Just looking at the difference in the enclosure sizes, the weight, and the driver size definitly warrant the extra $35.

EDIT:
Here's an excursion video of the 12" driver found in the A2-300.. VERY SWEET!
13Kv.2

mynym · 11-15-06, 11:11 PM

Technically speaking you could replace the 200 watt amp that comes with the A2-300 and replace it with a beefier bash 500 or 350 and it would still be under the drivers RMS.

XylerB · 11-15-06, 11:14 PM

Actually, they totally do custom jobs so if you want, you can ask them for just the enclosure and sub and have it cut to the specs of the Bash amp if you really want, but they actually make their own amps now and you can upgrade it if you really want.

mikeinnj · 11-15-06, 11:28 PM

That's what I love about eD, they're still a small enough outfit to cater to the individual. Check out their forums, they've got a dual 18" sub coming out very soon. The A7-900 I believe it's called. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000w RMS.

Here's a thread showcasing the size of the smaller A7-700 sub.
http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=31045

All I can say is, to hell with WAF! With subs like this, you can order a second empty enclosure and stick the ol' lady inside!

Dan Forsyth · 11-15-06, 11:39 PM

Well looks like I am going to order one of these babys. Is the a2-300 worth the 35 more over the a2-250?

Willd · 11-16-06, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Is the a2-300 worth the 35 more over the a2-250

I definitely think so, yes.

Davidt1 · 11-16-06, 08:21 AM

Yeah, the A2-300 looks very good. I might even look into the A3-300. I should have bought one when they offered free shipping a while back. By the way, I don't they their website does a very good job of showing the products. Some of these items could be improved:

There is little information of the amps they use.
Some of these subs have detachable power cords, but the specs don't tell you this.
The subs come in two colors but there pictures show only black.
There should be more pictures, especially of the back of the subs.

The price is nice. The only question is: how do their subs perform?

vitod · 11-16-06, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeinnj

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go for the A2-300 over the 250. Just looking at the difference in the enclosure sizes, the weight, and the driver size definitly warrant the extra $35.

EDIT:
Here's an excursion video of the 12" driver found in the A2-300.. VERY SWEET!
13Kv.2

WOW!!

That doesn't look like just 15.1mm Xmax. That bad boy was bouncing!

I actually took the plunge yesterday with the A2-300 for $270 shipped! Can't wait!

I checked my construction update on eD and it's in the "wood shop".

Jack Gilvey · 11-16-06, 10:11 AM

These look neat. I have to admit, seeing a 4" flared Precision Port on a $300 sub is pretty cool, even without knowing anything about its performance.
What's "room tuning"? Does that mean a 20Hz Fb?

SightSeeker1 · 11-16-06, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitod

WOW!!

That doesn't look like just 15.1mm Xmax. That bad boy was bouncing!

I actually took the plunge yesterday with the A2-300 for $270 shipped! Can't wait!

I checked my construction update on eD and it's in the "wood shop".

Cool. Looking forward to a review.

vitod · 11-16-06, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Gilvey

These look neat. I have to admit, seeing a 4" flared Precision Port on a $300 sub is pretty cool, even without knowing anything about its performance.
What's "room tuning"? Does that mean a 20Hz Fb?

I think it's their way of showing the sub is tuned to 20hz.

CieJe · 11-16-06, 11:07 AM

I've been looking to build a similiar enclosure... for these prices maybe I'll just let some pros throw one together haha.

vitod · 11-16-06, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CieJe

I've been looking to build a similiar enclosure... for these prices maybe I'll just let some pros throw one together haha.

I think for the amount in supplies and labor to DIY, it may come out the same. Maybe better off getting the subs at these very good prices along with the 3 year warranty!

CieJe · 11-16-06, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitod

I think for the amount in supplies and labor to DIY, it may come out the same. Maybe better off getting the subs at these very good prices along with the 3 year warranty!

exactly. I mean, I was looking at more of a 15" ported design, like adire tempest or something, but after all is said and done... it'd be about the same $ and much more work of course than getting an A2 300...

rnp614 · 11-16-06, 01:29 PM

I couldnt resist and just dropped 270 for the A2-300 shipped to my door. I can't wait to see what a sub that goes below 20Hz actually sounds like in my home. The sub I currently use is the rocket tyke sub from the old AV123 sub/sat combo

!!! I'm guessing that this may be a life-changing moment

.

vitod · 11-16-06, 02:09 PM

You have a infectious disease called "upgradetitis". I'm a victim. Signs are an uncontrollable desire of never being happy with your current gear. BASS, BASS, BASS, AND MORE BASS!
No known cure.

Thank goodness!!

rnp614 · 11-16-06, 02:14 PM

I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for a reason to add some bass to my system. I finally got that reason when I sold my X-LS to get some smaller Orb Speaks for my computer. They are going to get the tyke sub and the living room gets the ED sub!

I really cant wait.

I really dont know what to expect.

rnp614 · 11-16-06, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitod

You have a infectious disease called "upgradetitis". I'm a victim. Signs are an uncontrollable desire of never being happy with your current gear. BASS, BASS, BASS, AND MORE BASS!
No known cure.

Thank goodness!!

But honestly, how could ANYONE be happy with just that tyke sub?!! ITS TOO TINY!

CieJe · 11-16-06, 02:28 PM

I'll probably wait till a couple of you recieve your a2 300s to see how they perform first... they look REALLY well designed, and are definatelly priced well, so we'll see.

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mikeinnj Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 253	OH MY GOD!! I've got two of their 10" subs loaded in a sealed enclosure in my car running 200w RMS each and they are unbelievable, very musical, they hit hard, are not boomy and shake the crap out of my car! Watch some of the videos for their subs and midbass drivers on their site. They can handle some SERIOUS excursion. I was JUST about to plop down ~$220 for the BIC H-100, but screw that! I wanna try out this new A2-250! As for looks, Do Not Care. This puppy goes down to 18Hz and has more wattage than the H-100. Sign me up!

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Exocer I like speakers! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The big apple Posts: 1,843 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	Yeah at this price it makes stiff competition for the H-100 as far as specs go. It does have a lower tune than the H-100 so that definitely means more extension. As far as output? We'll need some tests to confirm. Im unsure if the A2-250 uses the 10 or 12" driver though. __________________ Only time will tell what the future holds...so until then JAM LIKE THERES NO TOMORROW! -Rob My Natalie P project

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sjetski71 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 97	Wow, Why couldn't these have been around a few months ago, before i purchased these two darn subwoofers i have now Thanks for posting these OP ( thanks for the buyers remorse as well ! lol j/k )

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mynym Advanced Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 831	Nice post Wild! Here is there entire lineup of HT subs --> http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/index.php?cPath=2_41 Although I've never heard any of these, judging from their huge following in the car audio scene I am sure these will be a big hit. Now the big question. Can the A3 outperform the PB10?

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mynym Advanced Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 831	I'd go with the A2-300. It uses a 12" and is louder than the more expensive (by $115) A3-250. Cheaper shipping too. I believe their XMAX ratings are rather conservative juding from the videos on their website. Insane XMAX.

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mikeinnj Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 253	Yeah, I'm gonna have to go for the A2-300 over the 250. Just looking at the difference in the enclosure sizes, the weight, and the driver size definitly warrant the extra $35. EDIT: Here's an excursion video of the 12" driver found in the A2-300.. VERY SWEET! 13Kv.2 Last edited by mikeinnj; 11-15-06 at 10:58 PM..

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mynym Advanced Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 831	Technically speaking you could replace the 200 watt amp that comes with the A2-300 and replace it with a beefier bash 500 or 350 and it would still be under the drivers RMS.

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XylerB Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 87	Actually, they totally do custom jobs so if you want, you can ask them for just the enclosure and sub and have it cut to the specs of the Bash amp if you really want, but they actually make their own amps now and you can upgrade it if you really want.

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mikeinnj Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 253	That's what I love about eD, they're still a small enough outfit to cater to the individual. Check out their forums, they've got a dual 18" sub coming out very soon. The A7-900 I believe it's called. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000w RMS. Here's a thread showcasing the size of the smaller A7-700 sub. http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showthread.php?t=31045 All I can say is, to hell with WAF! With subs like this, you can order a second empty enclosure and stick the ol' lady inside!

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Dan Forsyth AVS Special Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,431	Well looks like I am going to order one of these babys. Is the a2-300 worth the 35 more over the a2-250?

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Davidt1 Advanced Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 745	Yeah, the A2-300 looks very good. I might even look into the A3-300. I should have bought one when they offered free shipping a while back. By the way, I don't they their website does a very good job of showing the products. Some of these items could be improved: There is little information of the amps they use. Some of these subs have detachable power cords, but the specs don't tell you this. The subs come in two colors but there pictures show only black. There should be more pictures, especially of the back of the subs. The price is nice. The only question is: how do their subs perform?

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Jack Gilvey AVS Special Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Jersey,USA Posts: 6,152	These look neat. I have to admit, seeing a 4" flared Precision Port on a $300 sub is pretty cool, even without knowing anything about its performance. What's "room tuning"? Does that mean a 20Hz Fb? __________________ Jack Gilvey SVS Customer Service

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rnp614 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Downtown New Orleans, LA Posts: 77	I couldnt resist and just dropped 270 for the A2-300 shipped to my door. I can't wait to see what a sub that goes below 20Hz actually sounds like in my home. The sub I currently use is the rocket tyke sub from the old AV123 sub/sat combo !!! I'm guessing that this may be a life-changing moment .

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vitod Hell is Cool. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Pocono PA Posts: 2,500	You have a infectious disease called "upgradetitis". I'm a victim. Signs are an uncontrollable desire of never being happy with your current gear. BASS, BASS, BASS, AND MORE BASS! No known cure. Thank goodness!!

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rnp614 Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Downtown New Orleans, LA Posts: 77	I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for a reason to add some bass to my system. I finally got that reason when I sold my X-LS to get some smaller Orb Speaks for my computer. They are going to get the tyke sub and the living room gets the ED sub! I really cant wait. I really dont know what to expect.

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CieJe Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 158	I'll probably wait till a couple of you recieve your a2 300s to see how they perform first... they look REALLY well designed, and are definatelly priced well, so we'll see.