Are there any 1080p tubes?

ChrisWiggles · 11-24-06, 11:43 PM

Yes.

Are there any consumer direct view CRT televisions that do 1080p? No, not any that I am aware of.

Waterbug · 11-25-06, 02:22 AM

In 2007, its possible. We may never know.

metaleggman · 11-27-06, 12:24 AM

What about CRT computer monitors? They can go well past 1080p. Unfortunately none are HDCP compliant, so you may not be able to use it in the future.

ResOGlas · 01-28-07, 06:47 AM

Hisense showed 4 different 1080p CRT HDTVs at CES 2007!

1080p CRT sounds like "O"mazing PQ.

like.no.other. · 01-28-07, 10:21 AM

The old CRT Front Projections are 1080p but aren't HDCP complaint.

Wickerman1972 · 01-28-07, 10:30 AM

I sure wish there was, especially from Sony. These companies make them for professional use and I don't really know but I suppose there could be some in stores in foreign markets. It would be nice if Sony would sell one from their website at least.

lastxbr960 · 01-28-07, 10:45 AM

I think the hisense models are 1080i but accept 1080P signals?
Some professional studio/broadcast monitors go well beyond that, along with computer monitors.

RalphArch · 01-28-07, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by like.no.other.

The old CRT Front Projections are 1080p but aren't HDCP complaint.

There's a lot of discussion about this in the CRT forum - I have an 8" Marquee and from what people say it will not do 1080p due to bandwidth - although certain Mike Parker (with mods he sells and an upgraded 8" projector and knowing what he's doing) gets 1080p out of his. As far as DRM is concerned there's going to be a card for sale in a couple weeks that will take an HDMI input so this is not a problem

Most FP CRT's that are claiming 1080p will only get it with a 9 inch projector - and then there are some setup needs.

If all you care about is accepting a 1080p signal and displaying something on the screen you are correct - and I can go there with my 8 inch Marquee as well.

But taking a signal and resolving it on screen are two separate things. - Look at all the people on this forum that gape about getting 1080i on direct views that only resolve 850 vertical lines horizontally.

Sure there's a picture on their screen - but there's no way they are getting 1920 horizontal resolution when their set can only do 800/900.

At least my Sony SFP comes close around 1400 or so.

And of course its interlaced and going to stay that way.

RWetmore · 01-28-07, 03:32 PM

I think what we want is native 1080p scanning rather than 1080i. This isn't a lot to ask. Would be nice to have with the SPF grille, but any HD CRT would benefit from 1080p scanning.

Had HD CRT R&D continued for another year, we probably would have gotten it in consumer models. From what I understand it isn't hard to implement.

ResOGlas · 01-29-07, 07:09 PM

Seriously, I thought this was a really big deal!? Since when did AVS stop caring about CRT HDTVs?

avhed · 01-29-07, 07:22 PM

Very small deal. The Hisense sign above says it supports 1080p/1080i/720p. That means it will accept the signal, does not mean it will display them. My guess is it uses a Samsung or LG tube.

jd213 · 01-29-07, 11:25 PM

I got a Mitsubishi RDF223H 22" monitor. Decided not to go with a widescreen Sony for now since I watch a lot of 4:3 stuff like anime and I'll actually be using this for computer work as well. The dot pitch is slightly better than the Sony GDM-FW900 (0.24mm vs 0.27mm), too.

Once I get a BD player, I'll be using Crescendo System's RTC2200 reverse transcoder to convert the 1080p component video to RGB, and adjusting the display height of the monitor to make the picture 16:9. Luckily, I live in Japan and don't have to worry about movie studios reducing the output resolution on the analog output with the Image Constraint Token since doing so is illegal here (AFAIK). I won't be able to use HDMI for the time being, but I can wait another year or two until consumer SEDs come out. I'd rather use component on CRT than HDMI on LCD, and I like having a smaller screen for my personal setup anyways, since I switch between media viewing and computer work so often (and I don't like laptops).

montypythizzle · 01-29-07, 11:44 PM

it doesnt even advertise HDMI which is pretty much needed for 1080p

S. Hiller · 01-30-07, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jd213

I got a Mitsubishi RDF223H 22" monitor. Decided not to go with a widescreen Sony for now since I watch a lot of 4:3 stuff like anime and I'll actually be using this for computer work as well. The dot pitch is slightly better than the Sony GDM-FW900 (0.24mm vs 0.27mm), too.)...

0.23 to 0.27 variable pitch on the GDM-FW900.

S. Hiller · 01-30-07, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ResOGlas

Seriously, I thought this was a really big deal!? Since when did AVS stop caring about CRT HDTVs?

It is interesting. Current Samsung TV range just goes up to 30" I think...

jd213 · 01-30-07, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S. Hiller

0.23 to 0.27 variable pitch on the GDM-FW900.

Ah, really? Oh well. I guess I still would've chosen a 4:3 monitor.

avhed · 01-30-07, 06:18 PM

S.Hillier. I think the Hisense measurement is based on tube size. The viewing area is probable 30".

sonypete · 02-03-07, 09:54 PM

It is a shame that CRT technology has pretty much stopped, I think they could have gotten more out of it without a huge increase in size or weight, but then agian I'm not an engineer.

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