Playing SACD/DVD-A via regular PC DVD/CD drives?

calvin_hobbes · 12-06-06, 10:45 AM

Here's a dumb one for you all

Is there any way i can, using my existing CD/DVD+-R/W drive, insert an SACD or DVD-A disk, install some magic software, and expect it to play correctly, in a format that its supposed to?

Why would i want to do something this stupid? Well, i am getting ready to install a NAS system, and want to rip SACD/DVD-A from my PC straight to NAS, so that i can enjoy true hirez audio eventually when i get a compatible receiver/player for HT.

thanks

P.S. This question may not belong to this forum. If so, i would request moderators/senior members to point me to the correct one please.

oblio98 · 12-06-06, 10:47 AM

You can play HiRez DVD-A if you have a Sound Blaster Audigy or X-Fi. These come with a software DVD-A player, and can play 24/96 surround.

As for SACD, you would only be able to play the redbook layer if it existed.

KMO · 12-06-06, 12:10 PM

DVD-Audio and SACD are expressly designed to be uncopiable, so you're not going to find it easy to actually copy anything. But DVD-Audio playback is possible, as oblio says.

For copying, DVD-Audio has been partially compromised by tapping into the audio output code of PC-based players, but I'm not clear on whether that hack retained full quality. You wouldn't be able to copy the result back to a DVD-Audio anyway, as a DVD-Audio player would refuse to play it. The "inaudible" watermark helps ensure this.

SACD is basically impenetrable. No unlicensed drive can read the HD content at all, and a PC won't even see it. There are no PC-based players. Some Sony Vaio systems support DSD audio, but only for internal use; great for audio professionals preparing SACD content, perhaps, but they still won't play commercial SACDs.

calvin_hobbes · 12-06-06, 12:28 PM

ugggh... that pretty much kills all my aspiration of making NAS as single point of storage of all my media (audio + video) content

elee532 · 12-07-06, 08:42 AM

I'm with ya! I wish I could replace my DVD-A/SACD player, DVD & digital audio streaming device, and HD-DVR with a single streaming device or eve a full-fledged PC. I guess it's never going to happen though. :-(

calvin_hobbes · 12-07-06, 05:41 PM

so for DVD-A, i found a link that briefly outlines the hows/whats of it.. A more detailed explanation can be found here .

Can the senior members make some comments on it? (i did read through the posts, but can't make much head or tail out of it)

P.S. Moderators please take this post down if its not appropriate for the forum

crbaldwin · 01-10-07, 04:26 PM

It would be nice if they threw us a bone here and made it possible to rip and play back both high-resolution formats on a PC. And they can't say they are worried about piracy when no one other than the few people on this forum really knows about these formats anyways. It seems that they made it inconvenient enough such that they killed the market for them altogether...

jwatte · 02-07-08, 11:15 PM

Sorry to jump in late. I want to do the same thing. I have some SACDs, but I can only rip the CD layer, which is a shame.

The fact that neither DVD-A nor SACD are taking off is pretty good indication that preventing fair use actually causes less profits. That, and the story of the original DivX player :-)

Anyway, the HDMI from my PS/3 contains PCM 7-channel data from SACD, so it's got to be possible at some point to tap into this and use it (once we have HDMI in, and a trusted kernel crack, I assume).

David Scott · 02-08-08, 01:46 AM

people have been ripping their sacd's to pc's for quite a while using the analog in to capture the sound as 6 wav channels then encoding those into dts. DVD-A can be ripped too, but you run into the problem of most discs having a watermark. I just wish I could easily back-up all the discs I own, because I know I can't buy a replacement most of the time.

elee532 · 02-09-08, 11:10 AM

[quote=David Scott;13051489]people have been ripping their sacd's to pc's for quite a while using the analog in to capture the sound as 6 wav channels then encoding those into dts.QUOTE]

Doesn't this defeat the hi-rez purpose?

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elee532 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 450	I'm with ya! I wish I could replace my DVD-A/SACD player, DVD & digital audio streaming device, and HD-DVR with a single streaming device or eve a full-fledged PC. I guess it's never going to happen though. :-(

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calvin_hobbes Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 72	how to rip CCPM encrypted DVD-A so for DVD-A, i found a link that briefly outlines the hows/whats of it.. A more detailed explanation can be found here . Can the senior members make some comments on it? (i did read through the posts, but can't make much head or tail out of it) P.S. Moderators please take this post down if its not appropriate for the forum

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jwatte It's all good! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Redwood City, CA, USA Posts: 1,209	Sorry to jump in late. I want to do the same thing. I have some SACDs, but I can only rip the CD layer, which is a shame. The fact that neither DVD-A nor SACD are taking off is pretty good indication that preventing fair use actually causes less profits. That, and the story of the original DivX player :-) Anyway, the HDMI from my PS/3 contains PCM 7-channel data from SACD, so it's got to be possible at some point to tap into this and use it (once we have HDMI in, and a trusted kernel crack, I assume). __________________ My A/V living room remodel thread

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elee532 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 450	[quote=David Scott;13051489]people have been ripping their sacd's to pc's for quite a while using the analog in to capture the sound as 6 wav channels then encoding those into dts.QUOTE] Doesn't this defeat the hi-rez purpose?

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oblio98 QuadraphonicQuad Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: CT Posts: 324	You can play HiRez DVD-A if you have a Sound Blaster Audigy or X-Fi. These come with a software DVD-A player, and can play 24/96 surround. As for SACD, you would only be able to play the redbook layer if it existed.

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KMO Advanced Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: England Posts: 934	DVD-Audio and SACD are expressly designed to be uncopiable, so you're not going to find it easy to actually copy anything. But DVD-Audio playback is possible, as oblio says. For copying, DVD-Audio has been partially compromised by tapping into the audio output code of PC-based players, but I'm not clear on whether that hack retained full quality. You wouldn't be able to copy the result back to a DVD-Audio anyway, as a DVD-Audio player would refuse to play it. The "inaudible" watermark helps ensure this. SACD is basically impenetrable. No unlicensed drive can read the HD content at all, and a PC won't even see it. There are no PC-based players. Some Sony Vaio systems support DSD audio, but only for internal use; great for audio professionals preparing SACD content, perhaps, but they still won't play commercial SACDs.

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calvin_hobbes Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 72	ugggh... that pretty much kills all my aspiration of making NAS as single point of storage of all my media (audio + video) content

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crbaldwin Advanced Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Virginia Posts: 876	It would be nice if they threw us a bone here and made it possible to rip and play back both high-resolution formats on a PC. And they can't say they are worried about piracy when no one other than the few people on this forum really knows about these formats anyways. It seems that they made it inconvenient enough such that they killed the market for them altogether...

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David Scott AVS Special Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chico, California Posts: 1,273	people have been ripping their sacd's to pc's for quite a while using the analog in to capture the sound as 6 wav channels then encoding those into dts. DVD-A can be ripped too, but you run into the problem of most discs having a watermark. I just wish I could easily back-up all the discs I own, because I know I can't buy a replacement most of the time.