LCD or Plasma? Plasma or LCD? and why those Black Bars? Discuss it here only Please

[jaball77]

Originally Posted by Spanbauer

They look great during the day and in brightly lit rooms; they don't need to be broken in for 200 hours. They use less power and are generally thinner. That's about it

Again with the plasma misinformation. Plasmas look fine in bright light, and don't need to be broken in.

LCD's DO use about 20% less power and are generally thinner though. Those two are true.

[bartonjm]

Originally Posted by jaball77

Again with the plasma misinformation. Plasmas look fine in bright light, and don't need to be broken in.

LCD's DO use about 20% less power and are generally thinner though. Those two are true.

I guess this brings up a good point. I have friends that will argue with me about plasma burn in, glare issues, ect. I now realize that today's plasma is not yesterday's plasma...

[dhp1675]

Originally Posted by Spanbauer

They look great during the day and in brightly lit rooms; they don't need to be broken in for 200 hours. They use less power and are generally thinner. That's about it

This is somewhat of a broad generalization, so I just want to clarify it. The first statement is true only if it's a matte finish like my LG or any Sony, most Sammy's look bad in bright light from the lack of an anti-reflective screen. The second is true about power, but is generally negligible (about $12 a year) unless it's a more expensive LED. Thinner again depends on the display, the better LEDs like the XBR8 and 950 that use less energy and display a much better picture are thicker than virtually any plasma, my pioneer elite is 3.5" deep and the signature/600 series are 2.5" deep. I'm still not impressed by any of the edge-lit LEDs I've seen this year...

[NuSoardGraphite]

Originally Posted by jaball77

Again with the plasma misinformation. Plasmas look fine in bright light, and don't need to be broken in.

Thats very interesting considering I just had a buddy of mine who knows absolutely nothing about HDTV's and the differences in the technologies, choose LCD over Plasma specifically because of the way Plasma reflects light in a brightly lit room.

I took him TV shopping and he immediately pointed out the reflection issue...I didn't even bring it up. That was his biggest issue (no glare/reflection) so he instantly dismissed getting a Plasma. I told him not to be so hasty and that Plasma had a better PQ in general, but every Plasma TV we looked at in the store has serious glare, so he left with a 120hz 52" Samsung LCD with a matte screen.

This happened maybe 6 months ago, so unless its changed in that time, yes, the majority of Plasmas tend to have glossy screens susceptable to glare, giving LCD's with a matte screen the edge in brightly lit rooms.

[jaball77]

Originally Posted by NuSoardGraphite

Thats very interesting considering I just had a buddy of mine who knows absolutely nothing about HDTV's and the differences in the technologies, choose LCD over Plasma specifically because of the way Plasma reflects light in a brightly lit room.

I took him TV shopping and he immediately pointed out the reflection issue...I didn't even bring it up. That was his biggest issue (no glare/reflection) so he instantly dismissed getting a Plasma. I told him not to be so hasty and that Plasma had a better PQ in general, but every Plasma TV we looked at in the store has serious glare, so he left with a 120hz 52" Samsung LCD with a matte screen.

This happened maybe 6 months ago, so unless its changed in that time, yes, the majority of Plasmas tend to have glossy screens susceptable to glare, giving LCD's with a matte screen the edge in brightly lit rooms.

You're talking about an in-store experience. I'm telling you that in my home, on my wall, with big windows, and lights on, there is no problem.

Likewise, my parents have a glossy screen Samsung LCD in their living room, surrounded by windows and sliding glass doors, and there is no problem.

The only time you can see reflections on the screen is when the screen is completely black, and if you concentrate on them specifically.

If glossy screen tv's were only watchable in dark rooms, do you think manufacturers would make them? No. Because people wouldn't buy them and the market would disappear.

[chinee]

Originally Posted by jaball77

You're talking about an in-store experience. I'm telling you that in my home, on my wall, with big windows, and lights on, there is no problem.

Likewise, my parents have a glossy screen Samsung LCD in their living room, surrounded by windows and sliding glass doors, and there is no problem.

The only time you can see reflections on the screen is when the screen is completely black, and if you concentrate on them specifically.

If glossy screen tv's were only watchable in dark rooms, do you think manufacturers would make them? No. Because people wouldn't buy them and the market would disappear.

Whether a reflection on the screen distracts one's viewing enjoyment or not depends on a number of factors... the brightness of the light source, the angle of reflection, the size, position and intensity of the reflection on the screen, the time of day viewing takes place, etc.

The best advice to anyone is to try out a TV and see what happens in their own viewing room. I placed a plasma in my living room and the reflections of the windows, sofa, coffee table, the kids, etc., made it absolutely unviewable, so I got an LCD with a matte screen. But I also have an LG plasma in my very bright bedroom, but the reflections are not a problem in there. I'm actually thnking of picking up a Panny X1 for another bedroom... but I like the Sammy 550 LCD as well. Reflection is not an issue, but price and brightness is, and I'm not sure I could get the Panny to provide as bright a picture as I like. I tried the Sammy 42B450 and it does not seem to get bright enough. And the grey bars on the Sammy eliminates it from consideration (I hate grey bars).

To each his own.

[chinee]

Ooops... the reason I visited this thread....

Anyone know which plasmas have a feature to change the bars for letterboxing content to black? A fair amount of my viewing will be SD and I truly cannot stand grey bars.

The LG 42PQ30 and Samsung 42B450 both utilize grey bars and it does not seem that black is an option. I read somewhere that the Panny X1 would allow this... are there other options out there for me?

[NuSoardGraphite]

Originally Posted by jaball77

You're talking about an in-store experience. I'm telling you that in my home, on my wall, with big windows, and lights on, there is no problem.

The "in-store experience" is the only thing most consumers have to go by. And most people want to go to the store, find a TV they like, take it home and be done with it. Only perfectionists and Enthusiasts have the patience to bring a tv home, nitpick its problems to death, return it to the store, rince and repeat until they find the perfect set.

Likewise, my parents have a glossy screen Samsung LCD in their living room, surrounded by windows and sliding glass doors, and there is no problem.

Does direct sunlight get in, because direct sunlight is the biggest culprit in making a glossy screen unwatchable. If your parents windows are placed so the sun doesn't shine directly in, then they've solved about 75% of the problem right there.

If glossy screen tv's were only watchable in dark rooms, do you think manufacturers would make them? No. Because people wouldn't buy them and the market would disappear.

People would buy them if that was the only thing available, like back in the days of Tube TV's. I've always hated glare. I would've loved to buy a matte screen TV back in the old days, but there was no other choice, so I've always had to be creative about placing my tv away from windows with direct sunlight. When I moved in with my girlfriend, I had serious problems since she loved to throw open the shades and let all the sunlight in, making my TV unwatchable. When we moved into a new place, I even set up the tv specifically so it was away from the windows. One day I come home from work to find it re-designed with the TV directly across from the freaking window so yeah, for me glossy is The Devil.

Keep in mind that this isn't a Plasma vs LCD thing. Its a Glossy vs Matte thing. I would be more than happy to purchase a Plasma with a matte screen if I could afford it and Burn-in wasn't an issue since I'm a pretty heavy gamer. But since the majority of plasma does have glossy instead of matte, LCD was simply the default technology I looked at when I went hunting for a new TV.

My new LCD is great! Directly across from the window and no glare whatsoever. I get a tiny bit of shine when the screen is very dark, but even that is a billion times better than on my old CRT.

[Fant]

Thanks for the honest opinion on the glossy matte issue. I'll be placing a tv in a family room so that's important. what does everyone think about the pioneer plasmas which actually do come with a matte or anti reflective screen?

[left_senseless]

this thread really isn't moving along too quickly at the moment. hopefully this post won't be ignored for too long.

i am currently looking into getting an hdtv for my room. the room is lit pretty well during the day as the sun seems to face it as soon as it peeks over the mountains and until it falls past the horizon. i basically only game and watch movies. i would say 80 percent of its life will be used for gaming. i am looking at the pioneer elite pro 111fd and the sony kdl-46xbr8. i have heard that elevation causes problems with plasmas. i could use some info to help me decide which tv would work best for me. i would be purchasing the tv from the net so i will have it shipped and i heard that plasmas are more delicate as well. i really want the best tv i can find for gaming and movies. pros and cons of these two sets would be greatly appreciated.

[NuSoardGraphite]

Originally Posted by left_senseless

this thread really isn't moving along too quickly at the moment. hopefully this post won't be ignored for too long.

i am currently looking into getting an hdtv for my room. the room is lit pretty well during the day as the sun seems to face it as soon as it peeks over the mountains and until it falls past the horizon. i basically only game and watch movies. i would say 80 percent of its life will be used for gaming. i am looking at the pioneer elite pro 111fd and the sony kdl-46xbr8. i have heard that elevation causes problems with plasmas. i could use some info to help me decide which tv would work best for me. i would be purchasing the tv from the net so i will have it shipped and i heard that plasmas are more delicate as well. i really want the best tv i can find for gaming and movies. pros and cons of these two sets would be greatly appreciated.

Find the Owners Threads for those two TV's, since you know the model numbers, those threads are easy to find, in fact, the owners thread for the XBR8 sets are very popular and almost always at the top of the LCD section. Read those threads and you'll find out just about everything you wanted to know about those TV's...

[left_senseless]

i have been reading those threads, believe me... there is a ton of info. perhaps too much info really. it is hard to sift through 500 pages or so of info to find out the particulars of this question. i really didn't want to step on feet going into owner's threads and ask them if a particular set is better for something than the one they own. i am not posting to make enemies i just know that people around here have a solid knowledge of hdtvs and was hoping to tap into it to make a better buying decision. i figured that this thread was more appropriate for that...

[NuSoardGraphite]

its all good. I always like to point out the Owners Threads in case someone doesn't know about them.

I have no idea about the high altitude issue since where I live, to get any closer to sea-level, I'd have to be on a boat. (I live very near the ocean)

[mahlerfan999]

Originally Posted by mahlerfan999

I hear all the time about how deep the blacks on plasmas are, how superior they are on delivering deep, deep blacks. You know I bought it, I really did. Are the plasma owners that rave about those deep blacks referring to high end tvs, perhaps Kuros only?

I ask this because look, I have evidence that inexpensive plasmas perform at the same level that inexpensive lcds do regarding black level (that is to say poorly).

LCD black level-- 0.04 cd/m2. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2327574,00.asp

Plasma black level-- 0.07 cd/m2. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2327036,00.asp

I want to revisit what I've said because I had bought an inexpensive sensor to dyi calibrate my lcd. And then I finally decided to explore black level vs white level for different backlight settings. Now my sensor is not accurate at near black, but it's a random error, and hcfr can average over many measurements, and take long enough with it, that I feel comfy enough sharing these figures for my Samsung a550.

These were all taken with a contrast setting of 92, so the only thing that changed was the backlight setting. These were all measured in cd/m^2.

Backlight	Black Level	White Level
0	0.03	38
1	0.05	63
2	0.07	87
3	0.10	114
4	0.13	145
5	0.16	177
6	0.20	208
7	0.23	241
8	0.26	272
9	0.29	303
10	0.33	348

To achieve PC Mag's reported findings the backlight has to be turned down too low for viewing in any conditions (the minimum accepted peak white for a direct display is 100 cd/m^2 or 30 ftL).

At settings that yield reasonable peak white's the black levels are above the reported measured black levels for just about any brand plasma at the same price point as that lcd. Obviously as you jump up to series 6 and beyond the tables turn, but the prices also go up faster.

So I'm going to admit that I was mislead by PC Mag, and I don't necessarily trust their figures anymore (especially when they repeat Kuros having a black level of 0.03 which was much greater than Home Theater Mag reports). These numbers match with what I've observed, my tv's blacks look absolutely gray at night with the lights off.

[OLED_fan]

I'd like to add my own question to this thread. I'm looking to get an HDTV sometime within the next year, but I'm still somewhat undecided on what to get. I'm looking for a good, solid TV. The less expensive the better, but not junk. Screen size 37"-42". I've flip flopped a bit on the LCD/Plasma issue. I will be mostly using it for games and TV (likely SD channels) with occasional movies.

At the moment, I've been impressed by the Samsung pn42b450. But there's also the Panasonic VIERA X1 and now S1 series. All 3 are new, so I haven't been able to find a lot in the way of reviews for them. Are there any other plasmas that I should be looking at?

Here's a few specific questions about the Plasmas:

Since I'll be watching SD content on the HDTV, and I'd rather use 4:3 than stretch mode, will I need to worry about image retention/burn in due to the black bars? What about uneven aging of the phosphors (due to picture in the middle and bars on the sides) leading to poor picture quality later on?

Also, how much of an issue will image retention be for the games (HUD displays, leaving it on pause or on a menu too long, etc) with the 2009 models? I don't intend to go on vacation and leave the TV on a static image, but I would like to keep the piece of mind I have from my CRT that I never have to worry about how long I leave an image up (no more than a few hours at most, probably). I'm not planning on using the display as a computer monitor.

I've also heard that the under-50" plasmas usually have non-square pixels. If true, will this negatively affect picture quality in any way?

As for LCD, I haven't looked at them as much, mostly because it seems that I'd need to spend quite a bit more on LCDs to rival the quality of the entry plasmas, (that and the quality across the entry level of LCDs seems to be much more random) and I'm still concerned about the motion blur problem, especially since I will probably be using it primarily for games. For me, the main issue with which tech to go with is the motion blur/image retention trade off. Could anyone recommend good choices on the LCD side? Or choices to stay away from?

My goal is to find a set that is good enough (not cheap garbage) without breaking the bank. I'm coming from a 20-something inch CRT, and I'm just looking for a solid HDTV choice to hold me over until the OLED sets become mainstream and affordable.

(I apologize in advance if this isn't the correct forum for a post like this, but based on the descriptions, this seemed like the best place to put this post).

[OLED_fan]

I forgot to mention this, but gaming input lag is also a concern of mine when looking at models.

[brentsg]

Originally Posted by mahlerfan999

So I'm going to admit that I was mislead by PC Mag, and I don't necessarily trust their figures anymore (especially when they repeat Kuros having a black level of 0.03 which was much greater than Home Theater Mag reports). These numbers match with what I've observed, my tv's blacks look absolutely gray at night with the lights off.

I don't even trust PC Mag to review PCs...

[aim120]

Originally Posted by left_senseless

this thread really isn't moving along too quickly at the moment. hopefully this post won't be ignored for too long.

i am currently looking into getting an hdtv for my room. the room is lit pretty well during the day as the sun seems to face it as soon as it peeks over the mountains and until it falls past the horizon. i basically only game and watch movies. i would say 80 percent of its life will be used for gaming. i am looking at the pioneer elite pro 111fd and the sony kdl-46xbr8. i have heard that elevation causes problems with plasmas. i could use some info to help me decide which tv would work best for me. i would be purchasing the tv from the net so i will have it shipped and i heard that plasmas are more delicate as well. i really want the best tv i can find for gaming and movies. pros and cons of these two sets would be greatly appreciated.

well since u are going to game a lot that easy get the sony XBR8.

[chwisch87]

Originally Posted by OLED_fan

I'd like to add my own question to this thread. I'm looking to get an HDTV sometime within the next year, but I'm still somewhat undecided on what to get. I'm looking for a good, solid TV. The less expensive the better, but not junk. Screen size 37"-42". I've flip flopped a bit on the LCD/Plasma issue. I will be mostly using it for games and TV (likely SD channels) with occasional movies.

At the moment, I've been impressed by the Samsung pn42b450. But there's also the Panasonic VIERA X1 and now S1 series. All 3 are new, so I haven't been able to find a lot in the way of reviews for them. Are there any other plasmas that I should be looking at?

Here's a few specific questions about the Plasmas:

Since I'll be watching SD content on the HDTV, and I'd rather use 4:3 than stretch mode, will I need to worry about image retention/burn in due to the black bars? What about uneven aging of the phosphors (due to picture in the middle and bars on the sides) leading to poor picture quality later on?

Also, how much of an issue will image retention be for the games (HUD displays, leaving it on pause or on a menu too long, etc) with the 2009 models? I don't intend to go on vacation and leave the TV on a static image, but I would like to keep the piece of mind I have from my CRT that I never have to worry about how long I leave an image up (no more than a few hours at most, probably). I'm not planning on using the display as a computer monitor.

I've also heard that the under-50" plasmas usually have non-square pixels. If true, will this negatively affect picture quality in any way?

As for LCD, I haven't looked at them as much, mostly because it seems that I'd need to spend quite a bit more on LCDs to rival the quality of the entry plasmas, (that and the quality across the entry level of LCDs seems to be much more random) and I'm still concerned about the motion blur problem, especially since I will probably be using it primarily for games. For me, the main issue with which tech to go with is the motion blur/image retention trade off. Could anyone recommend good choices on the LCD side? Or choices to stay away from?

My goal is to find a set that is good enough (not cheap garbage) without breaking the bank. I'm coming from a 20-something inch CRT, and I'm just looking for a solid HDTV choice to hold me over until the OLED sets become mainstream and affordable.

(I apologize in advance if this isn't the correct forum for a post like this, but based on the descriptions, this seemed like the best place to put this post).

With an LCD you will pay twice as much to get as good of a picture. You can also stretch the 4:3 content and it really doesn't affect the quality if you have a good signal. These TV's are sooo good at stretching that it looks like 16:9 native really.

Gaming retention has NEVER been an issue for me. With most games, there are sooo many cut scenes that its never gonna be a problem and must HUD's are transparent anyway if they are still even there. HUD are going out of style in gaming anyway.

My friend LOVES his new 450 samsung plasma. You will to. Do yourself a favor and get the plasma screen. Its just a better TV.

[chwisch87]

Originally Posted by left_senseless

this thread really isn't moving along too quickly at the moment. hopefully this post won't be ignored for too long.

i am currently looking into getting an hdtv for my room. the room is lit pretty well during the day as the sun seems to face it as soon as it peeks over the mountains and until it falls past the horizon. i basically only game and watch movies. i would say 80 percent of its life will be used for gaming. i am looking at the pioneer elite pro 111fd and the sony kdl-46xbr8. i have heard that elevation causes problems with plasmas. i could use some info to help me decide which tv would work best for me. i would be purchasing the tv from the net so i will have it shipped and i heard that plasmas are more delicate as well. i really want the best tv i can find for gaming and movies. pros and cons of these two sets would be greatly appreciated.

Are you above 6500 feet? If so, many plasmas today I believe are able to operate above this anyway. Also, Plasmas today have 600hz sub-field drives. Meaning no image lag. All gaming today is 16:9 and perfect for the plasma screen. its very unlikely that you will have any major IR problems with modern plasmas and HUD's are going out of style anyway

Get the Plasma.

[NuSoardGraphite]

Originally Posted by chwisch87

Are you above 6500 feet? If so, many plasmas today I believe are able to operate above this anyway. Also, Plasmas today have 600hz sub-field drives. Meaning no image lag. All gaming today is 16:9 and perfect for the plasma screen. its very unlikely that you will have any major IR problems with modern plasmas and HUD's are going out of style anyway

Get the Plasma.

Maybe with FPS's. There are a ton of other game genres where HUD's, health bars and statistic counters are on-screen for long periods of time.a I play JRPG's and 3rd person action games like Devil May Cry or Castlevania, and there are health bar's on the screen for literaly hours at a time.

[OLED_fan]

Originally Posted by NuSoardGraphite

Maybe with FPS's. There are a ton of other game genres where HUD's, health bars and statistic counters are on-screen for long periods of time.a I play JRPG's and 3rd person action games like Devil May Cry or Castlevania, and there are health bar's on the screen for literaly hours at a time.

Those are the types of games I'd be playing as well. Can Plasmas hold up against that? I'd rather go LCD than have stat bars retained on the screen, even if it goes away after a few minutes.

[NuSoardGraphite]

Originally Posted by OLED_fan

Those are the types of games I'd be playing as well. Can Plasmas hold up against that? I'd rather go LCD than have stat bars retained on the screen, even if it goes away after a few minutes.

If you are a gamer, unless you play very fast-paced games that rely on exact frame inputs, you are better off going LCD. Certainly while Plasma sets have significantly reduced the chances of burn-in on the new sets, there still exists a possibility. If you don't want to deal with that, go LCD. If you are more concerned about Picture Quality, go Plasma.

[Toe]

We just returned a Vizio 47" 120hz to Costco that we had been using for the past 2 months due to a freezing issue and very distracting clouding (for me atleast.....the GF did not seem to notice it). We ended up getting a Panny 46" 1080p (PZ80U I think is the model number?) Plasma and for our bedroom this new plasma is better in every way.

First off, the clouding obviously is gone now which is SO NICE.....My big concern going from the LCD to the plasma was brightness, but this plasma once setup seems just as bright if not brighter which surprised me (it seems brighter during the day and at night with no light in the room). I am sure the native 20,000:1 contrast vs the Vizio ~6000:1 helps here and the PQ in general has noticably more "pop" so to speak......the Vizio looked great most the time, but occasionaly the weak contrast would show intself with a flat, dull and lifeless picture.

The few PS3 games I have played look insanely good and BRs are jaw dropping. Motion in general is better on the plasma. With the Vizio we could turn on the motion smoothing feature, but this just did not look good to either of us for the vast majority of material so we left it off. The ONLY thing I did find it looked good with was Planet Earth, but PE looks plenty good without it so no big loss there. Movies looked flat out fake with this on and neither of us liked it at all for film.

Anyway, just thought I would share. VERY happy with the switch to the Panny plasma and the bang/buck factor is fantastic!

[chwisch87]

Originally Posted by OLED_fan

Those are the types of games I'd be playing as well. Can Plasmas hold up against that? I'd rather go LCD than have stat bars retained on the screen, even if it goes away after a few minutes.

With the amount of cut scenes in modern games, you are never going to get burn-in. The only way to get burn in is to leave something on a screen for something longer than a day. The worst you are going to get is Temporary image retention. It will quite frankly never been noticeable until you get to within your nose touching the screen and then after either 10 seconds to 1 hour of full screen it will go away lol.

[DragonSarc]

I finally bought a Plasma TV (58 800u) and all i can say is wow this is the kind of tv I should have bought in the first place, I had lcds flat panels since they came out (switching and upgrading) and due to scared about Brun in and brightness issue, my newest lcd is the B750 by Samsung, I thought the 5271 was awesome but died so I had a replacement no charge due to the extended warranty, but since I gotten the Plasma its like wow the picture is just perfect! the color the motion and the quality its is really better than the LCDs, SD tv channels or SD dvds are better, Ive never seen or noticed the torched effect on my LCDs till i got my plasma even when the LCD was calibrated. Just wanna share my experience and maybe might help some of you guys, I highly suggest if your iffy on what to get LCD or Plasma buy both try them out side by side and see. Just my .02

[webdrifter]

Yesterday after having My pioneer 111FD for almost a month I decided to return it, and get the new Samsung LN52B750. The first thing I did once I got the new LCD hooked up, was watch part of planet earth on bluray. The picture was very clear and brighter than the plasma, and the whites looked great, but something was missing. I then turned on my xbox 360 to play farcry 2, and this is where I found what was missing. I had been playing the game on the 111FD before I took it back, and had made my last save while inside a little building. This game is in a jungle setting so once you exit the building your in the jungle. As soon as the game started I noticed that the inside of the little shack looked a lot different with the LCD than it did with the Plasma, and when I opened the door to go out into the jungle it hit me. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The colors that were so rich in color and vibrant on the plasma were pale and drab on the LCD. All the different shades of green now looked the same, the game had became almost unplayable. Well this afternoon after fooling around with the LCD for several hours it became perfectly clear that I had made a very big mistake. I called BB up, and talked to the manager. I asked him if I could swap back for my 111FD, and He said yes. I took the 100 mile round trip, and got my 111FD back. This taught me a very good lesson about the difference in picture quality between a good Plasma and a good LCD.

[DragonSarc]

Originally Posted by webdrifter

Yesterday after having My pioneer 111FD for almost a month I decided to return it, and get the new Samsung LN52B750. The first thing I did once I got the new LCD hooked up, was watch part of planet earth on bluray. The picture was very clear and brighter than the plasma, and the whites looked great, but something was missing. I then turned on my xbox 360 to play farcry 2, and this is where I found what was missing. I had been playing the game on the 111FD before I took it back, and had made my last save while inside a little building. This game is in a jungle setting so once you exit the building your in the jungle. As soon as the game started I noticed that the inside of the little shack looked a lot different with the LCD than it did with the Plasma, and when I opened the door to go out into the jungle it hit me. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The colors that were so rich in color and vibrant on the plasma were pale and drab on the LCD. All the different shades of green now looked the same, the game had became almost unplayable. Well this afternoon after fooling around with the LCD for several hours it became perfectly clear that I had made a very big mistake. I called BB up, and talked to the manager. I asked him if I could swap back for my 111FD, and He said yes. I took the 100 mile round trip, and got my 111FD back. This taught me a very good lesson about the difference in picture quality between a good Plasma and a good LCD.

+100 same experience here awesome tv webdrifter

[manz66]

See the slow motion fighting sequence in the beginning. Please use higher price dvd player. Atleast watching this movie, Plasma kills LCD! no contest.

[jcd29]

For gaming: Should I get a Panasonic G10 Plasma or a Samsung LN40B650?

It's for a bedroom.