Poll: Is your TV not scaling up PS3 720p games?

[SonyHome]

I'm curious how many people are effected by PS3 not being able to upconvert 720p to 1080i.

I have 5 year old Sony XBR 61" KP-61XBR300 HD-Ready TV (which by the way cost $5000 at the time) which sounds like it won't work with 720p PS3 setting.

Even though I just got my PS3 60Gig tonight I'm reluctant to open the box just incase I want to return it to GameStop due to this issue.

Something that I'm unclear on is according to some information my TV is supposed to upconvert 720p to 1080i so if I set PS3 to 720P wouldn't my TV recognize that and upconvert to 1080i? Any one with same TV tried this?

Please specify your make and model for reference for the poll.

[REFLEX]

Hmmm dont know the full specifics about this issue becuase it doesnt effect me in the slightest (but I have sympathy for those who it does effect), I know the issue and what it does but I dont want to give answers that arent fully factual because.. well like I said I dont know 100% for sure the answer. Im pretty sure that the issue is with games that are in 720p (like Resistance fall Of Man)... and HDTVs that do not accept 720p Signals.

I have the KDS60A2000 (Sony 60" SXRD 1080p).... the PS3 is a great machine, too bad about this issue though, you will find answers.

[Doctor Krypton]

I'm not having any issues either. My sets don't do any downscaling or whatever.

[IeraseU]

I'm affected on one of the TV's I own and it is something that bothers me to the point that if this does turn out to be a hardware issue (not able to be addressed via firmware update), I wouldn't hesitate to exchange my PS3 via my Best Buy replacement plan for a newer revision without the problem.

[isaidme]

I have a Sony 42A-10 LCD projection TV and a PS3. I can not see that it is being upscaled but if a game is in 720p then thats what it is, your not going to get 1080i, dont understand what people arent understanding about this and why this is Sonys fault?

[claf-43]

My older model Panny 50" Plasma doesnt do 720p, should I try configuring a HDSTB for example on another TV at 720p and then plug it in the Plasma to figure it out what it does with it?

I assume thats basically the same as plugging in a PS3 (im from Oz)

[keep amonte]

I have an elite 1140 HD and all is well. Bluray is 1080i, 720 games are 720, and 1080p games (full auto) are 1080i. I am very impressed so far, although Talledega nights is far from reference.

[SonyHome]

I'm thinking about upgrading to 70" SXRD Widescreen HDTV if I can sell my 61"XBR. Anyone interested? It's in like new condition.

[SonyHome]

Originally Posted by isaidme

I have a Sony 42A-10 LCD projection TV and a PS3. I can not see that it is being upscaled but if a game is in 720p then thats what it is, your not going to get 1080i, dont understand what people arent understanding about this and why this is Sonys fault?

On some older HDTVs that don't have naitive resolution support for 720p (I've heard as new as couple years old) that game will be output as 480p on PS3 even though XBOX360 would output that as 1080i. 480p is not HD.

[HeadRusch]

Originally Posted by isaidme

I have a Sony 42A-10 LCD projection TV and a PS3. I can not see that it is being upscaled but if a game is in 720p then thats what it is, your not going to get 1080i, dont understand what people arent understanding about this and why this is Sonys fault?

Class is in sesson:

HD widescreen sets have been on sale since 1998-ish. Up until about 2003-2004, the majority of HD sets sold were CRT based direct view or Rear Projection systems. Mind you..2004...NOT that long ago. After that point rear projection gave way to LCD and DLP RP's...and now those are being replaced by flatpanels.

These sets were between 2 to 10,000 for a high end crt RP.....and the vast majority of them did NOT include an internal scaler up until, say, 2002.

Why? Simple: Because all HD outputting devices had scalers in them...Satellite boxes, Cable Boxes, upscaling DVD players, external scalers.....etc.

Microsoft included this relatively inexpensive part into their 360 so that nobody was left out...no matter what resolution your display took natively, the 360 would support it by scaling the information the same way your Cable or Satellite box does. Microsoft Good. It meant that the $6000 TV you bought in 2001 would still be perfectly fine.

However Sony...in their infinite wisdom...has decided NOT to include this part in the PS3. So everyone who owns a 1080i set without a scaler is screwed.

Now....these people who spent big bucks on their big screens not all that long ago who watch cable or satellite in HD every day, who watch Blu Ray or HDDVD movies in HD every day, who can game on an Xbox 360 in HD all day.....those people now can NOT play games written in 720p/1080p for the PS3 in HD....they have to downconvert to 480p.

And that, frankly, sucks balls. Sony has shut the door on tons of people with older sets, including a whole bunch of expensive SONY sets too. Note this includes people with CRT based FRONT projectors as well, which cost a whole lot more than $10,000........

[Doctor Krypton]

exactly then how do you know it's downscaling? Does your TV actually say 480p on it when you press your info/display button?

[TwinTurboZX]

Originally Posted by HeadRusch

Microsoft included this relatively inexpensive part into their 360 so that nobody was left out...no matter what resolution your display took natively, the 360 would support it by scaling the information the same way your Cable or Satellite box does. Microsoft Good. It meant that the $6000 TV you bought in 2001 would still be perfectly fine.

No, MS put the scaler in there so developers could render games (COD3, Tony Hawk, PGR3) at 600p and still be able to call it 720p or 1080i on the back of the box. Therefore, MS not so good.

[HeadRusch]

Originally Posted by TwinTurboZX

No, MS put the scaler in there so developers could render games (COD3, Tony Hawk, PGR3) at 600p and still be able to call it 720p or 1080i on the back of the box. Therefore, MS not so good.

True..600p...and yet considering how flat-out amazing PGR3 and COD3 look, I have little to complain about. If thats as good as it ever got, I'd be more than happy.
Notice those are all Activision games too.......can we say "Rushed to publish before the holidays?"...yes we can.

With the PS3, you're looking at 480p no matter what, and frankly thats a huge slap in the face to not even early adopters but people who even bought into some of the final waves of CRT based RPTV's.....at no small cost, I might add.

[aaronwt]

The only resolutions I've noticed output from my PS3 is 1080P and 720P. 1080P with the BD movies I've watched(and also in the PS3 menus), and 720P from the Resistance game I rented.
What happened to 1080P games? Are there any?

[DougPr]

Originally Posted by TwinTurboZX

No, MS put the scaler in there so developers could render games (COD3, Tony Hawk, PGR3) at 600p and still be able to call it 720p or 1080i on the back of the box. Therefore, MS not so good.

I'd rather have 600p with smooth framerates than forcing 720p due to a lack of scaler and ending up with framerate issues.

[Tenkaipalm]

Originally Posted by DougPr

I'd rather have 600p with smooth framerates than forcing 720p due to a lack of scaler and ending up with framerate issues.

Exactly. And anyone who claims off the bat that they can tell the difference between a 600p game upscaled and one running in 720p natively is a liar.

[gt9450]

Originally Posted by keep amonte

I have an elite 1140 HD and all is well. Bluray is 1080i, 720 games are 720, and 1080p games (full auto) are 1080i. I am very impressed so far, although Talledega nights is far from reference.

have you changed the res on the ps3 to 1080i then played a game that has res 720 like (Resistance: Fall of Man) to see if your 1140 let you play that game at 1080i or down it to 480p?


I have the elite 1130 when i have the ps3 res set at 1080i an try an play resistance it say it can't play it at 1080i an down convert it to 480p but i am able to play it at 1080i if i let go thur my elite 84. Since have it going thur my elite 84 i keep the res of the ps3 set to 1080i so i can play 720 p game at 1080i.

[gt9450]

Originally Posted by aaronwt

The only resolutions I've noticed output from my PS3 is 1080P and 720P. 1080P with the BD movies I've watched(and also in the PS3 menus), and 720P from the Resistance game I rented.
What happened to 1080P games? Are there any?

NBA07 is 1080P

[gt9450]

Originally Posted by keep amonte

I have an elite 1140 HD and all is well. Bluray is 1080i, 720 games are 720, and 1080p games (full auto) are 1080i. I am very impressed so far, although Talledega nights is far from reference.

the problem is only when we have the ps3 res set to 1080i being set at 1080i ps3 wont let a 720p game play at 1080i when you have the ps3 res set at 1080i. the 1080i setting on the ps3 work like it should with blu-ray movies its just with the game it won't upconvert to 1080i. i keep my ps3 set at 1080i because i am running it thur my elite 84 (hdmi) with 84 set to pure with the scaler on it pass the 1080i ps3 setting thur to the elite 1130 with now problem.

[JD23]

Originally Posted by aaronwt

The only resolutions I've noticed output from my PS3 is 1080P and 720P. 1080P with the BD movies I've watched(and also in the PS3 menus), and 720P from the Resistance game I rented.
What happened to 1080P games? Are there any?

NBA2k7 also does 1080P (completely different and much better than NBA07).

[William Mapstone]

RR7 and MUA is rendered at 1080P

[coneyparleg]

I'm affected
my "OLD CRT" was made a little over a year ago and has a terrific picture, wonderful black levels and no internal scaler, so either 1080i or 480p
I admit that resistance at 480p is still very playable, but having seen it in HD, I know I'm missing out big time

[criz]

I vowed that I wouldn't bankroll M$ no matter what I did ( this goes all the way back to the 80's ) This has got to be the first time in my life where I'm actually considering selling my used PS3 to nab an Xbox 350 from Toys R Us for that really nice deal they have... Purely because I'm not confident that game makers will go higher than 720p. There is always going to be a cost vs. rez tradeoff. And they seem to want to make that choice for us. This isn't about just us "crybabies", this is cutting out a large market segment - from what the poll shows is almost 50% of this crowd. How else are they going to narrow their sales demographic?? This was rushed, way too quickly. They would have caught this if they would have done better market research and focus groups. No wonder the Wii is outselling the PS3s now. Nobody wants to deal with Sony's baggage.

[Michael St. Clair]

Yeah, my five-year-old Sony is affected. The 360 looks beautiful on it, though.

[purduealum91]

Ok gang,

Excuse my ignorance, but I just want to make sure I understand whats going on here. I have an HDTV that will not do 720p natively. Its a Sony 65WS550 RPTV. So, Im assuming my Sony RPTV HDTV will upconvert the 720p signal to 1080i. By downloading the latest PS3 firmware update, the native 720p PS3 games, ie Resistance, will be outputted as 720p by the PS3 and upscaled by my TV. Is this correct?

[Tripjammer]

I got an old HDTV...a Sony KF-60WE610...it will do 480i/480p/720p and 1080i

I should not have any problems. This TV is exactly 3 years old. I will get a 1080p LCD next year. The prices of the 1080p TVs are comming down quick...this time next year a Sony 1080p LCD will be less than $2000....hopefully.. I found the Sharp Aquios 46 inch 1080p for $2300 right now.

If your TV does not output 720p then get a new one. Its that simple. At least the PS3 output is pure.

[HeadRusch]

Originally Posted by Tripjammer

I should not have any problems. This TV is exactly 3 years old.

Then you don't have an old TV.....you have a nearly brand-new TV.

I will get a 1080p LCD next year. The prices of the 1080p TVs are comming down quick...this time next year a Sony 1080p LCD will be less than $2000....hopefully.. I found the Sharp Aquios 46 inch 1080p for $2300 right now.

Do you think the picture of the 1080p will be leaps and bounds better than your 720p set? Or are you just buying into the marketing hype that 1080 has to be better than 720 because there are more pixels.....

If your TV does not output 720p then get a new one. Its that simple. At least the PS3 output is pure.

Thats a rather obvious, and pathetic, suggestion, considering not everyone throws $2000-$5000 on a TV and then wants to think about upgrading it a few yeras later just because one manufacturer was stupid enough not to design the unit correctly.

For every other HD application my 2001 model 65" 1080i set will continue to work beautifully for years to come......but there are far more people out there who will simply ignore the PS3 rather than upgrade their expensive HD sets.

[William Mapstone]

I am jumping the console ship, and getting a gaming PC if 1080P games arn't the norm this generation. For over a year, 1080P seems to be no problem with PC gaming, or am I mistaken?

[HeadRusch]

Sort of...games like FEAR requrie a horse of a machine to drive 1080p......ie: $500+ worth of video cards alone. Other games aren't so demanding.....to get 30fps at 1080p.

But you're going to lose out on game selection a bit......depending on what you like, alot of action and 3rd person games dont make it across the river to the PC side of things.

Depends though....

[quickfire]

I have the Toshiba 65H82.....in the manual it says it accepts 480i/p,720p & 1080i......but if I set the PS3 to 1080i the game Motorstorm downrezzes to 480p...but if I uncheck the 1080i and leave 720p as my highest setting the game seems more detailed!Plus when I quit the game in 480p mode the screen flashes a green squiggle mark across it when it switches back to 1080i....but if I leave it in 720p mode there is NO flashing at all when switching back to 1080i!Am I getting a true 720p feed??Would someone please look up the online manual and see if Im capable of getting 720p???Im confused??

On a good note my Sanyo Z3 720p native Pj works like a charm with the PS3!!!

I just dont want to use my HD PJ everytime I want to play a HD game!!Any help will be appreciated.....thanks quickfire