New SVS Ultra Woofers at CES 07

TrzVpr · 12-19-06, 05:04 PM

Sorry... I dont have any insider information or details regarding these badboys...
I probably know as much as you know...

But... It seems like SVS has updated their news section since their last posting two months ago... In their newsletter (see link below), they announce the price increase as well as the unveiling of the new Ultra woofer based subs as CES 2007.

So, lets hear the guesses as to what we think we will see come Jan 8-11 from SVS..

Personally, I am wondering what kind of enclosure they will put the ultrawoofers in, ported or sealed, maybe both? Will they do both single and dual sub configurations? Where will they be priced at and what finishes will be available?

If the new driver is indeed a 13 or 14 inch driver, will this new sub be direct competition for the Fathom 13 driver?

I dont know about you but I just cant wait for CES 2007 anymore

Cheers!

jvgillow · 12-19-06, 05:09 PM

Tom didn't give too much away, but here's some tidbits over at HTSpot:

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsth...e/0#Post818221

vitod · 12-19-06, 05:27 PM

Wow! Very exciting news!

rockemsockem · 12-19-06, 06:32 PM

It's awfully quiet around here now....

TrzVpr · 12-19-06, 06:53 PM

Agreed...

Whatever the case, I am still looking forward to what SVS showcases at CES07..

The link posted above was indeed good news as Tom claims significant gain over the current Ultra woofers... cant wait to see actual measurements and tests.

Maybe the bar will be raised yet again?

07 Looks like a promising year for Electronics..

TrzVpr · 12-19-06, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jvgillow

Tom didn't give too much away, but here's some tidbits over at HTSpot:

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsth...e/0#Post818221

Just finished reading the whole thread (on & off at work) and some very interesting stuff..

Thx 4 posting jvgillow..

Jack Gilvey · 12-21-06, 09:22 AM

From TV in that Spot link:

Quote:

Anything from JL is sure to be a quality product. The new(and current) Ultras are a different beast with different design goals though. If you are looking for the best performance from a relatively small enclosure in the $3000 range…The JL113 demands consideration. But if you are willing to accept a larger enclosure the new PBUltra will have huge performance advantages in the deeper bass frequencies(15-30hz) and we won’t be giving up much(if anything) in “upper bass slam factor) either..

The new Ultra driver (designed by Stephen Ponte) is a work of art. I’ve had the privilege of working with some of the best driver designer’s in the industry for the past decade and Stephen’s work is second to none and FAR superior to most. My longtime R/D partner Jim Farina is equally astute with his work on porting, amp design, enclosure design, ect. These two young engineers will be making waves in the industry for a long long time…mark my words here.

Also, remember that the new SB12plus is just the first design in the “small” subwoofer market for SVS. We’ll definitely expand that “family” of products in the future…although nothing is close to be finalized on those designs yet. This “family” definitely lends itself to the “multiple subwoofer” ideology of course.

Should be interesting to say the least.

Kipp Jones · 12-21-06, 11:18 AM

If people thought the bar was already being raised, now they will really know it.

TheEAR · 12-21-06, 12:36 PM

This is great news for sub fanatics,more performance ...over what is great performance in the current TV12 driver!

kgb540 · 12-21-06, 12:52 PM

The current SVS Ultras are incredible, so the new ones will undoubtedly blow some minds!! Like it has been stated though, the SVS Ultras and the JL's arent the same type of subwoofer and each has a different market. I am personally extremely grateful that JL has pushed the envelope of performance to such a high level with enclosures that are reasonably sized. They are a much easier sell to customers than a coffin sized box (even if the coffin has a pristine finish). It is a good time to be involved in home audio!!

johnlarsen · 12-21-06, 12:59 PM

yeah jl rocks!

two of the MK3 VTF subs will outperform the new PBU13.5 though

OvalNut · 12-21-06, 01:19 PM

Quote:

two of the MK3 VTF subs will outperform the new PBU13.5 though

OK johnlarsen, I'll call you out on that statement. There have been no published specs or performance results for the new Ultra with which to compare it to any other sub. Your statement goes beyond false. It is, by definition, absurd.

ab·surd /æbˈsɜrd, -ˈzɜrd/
–adjective 1. utterly or obviously senseless, illogical, or untrue; contrary to all reason or common sense; laughably foolish or false: an absurd explanation.
–noun 2. the quality or condition of existing in a meaningless and irrational world.

Tim

bgillyjcu · 12-21-06, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnlarsen

yeah jl rocks!

two of the MK3 VTF subs will outperform the new PBU13.5 though

Seriously.........why do you call me out about TALKING about SVS subs, and trying to learn more about sub performance in general.

Then you post STUPID statements like this that take all of your credibility away.

You just go around and say things that are ABSURD. You know NOTHING about the new SVS product yet and neither do we.

I bet you lube up your MK3 at night and make love to it don't you?

johnlarsen · 12-21-06, 01:37 PM

that strike a cord with the tongue wagging fans ay?

the pbU13.5 is as almost as good as two pbU12, so it wont be as good as two MK3VTF3.

id rather go with two MFW15 (ridiculous insane valued at 999$) or two MK3VTF3 which go lower and maybe more db 20hZ than the 15.

ssabripo · 12-21-06, 01:40 PM

dont mind Johnlarsack.....he is harmless. He is just the resident SVS, uhm....I mean.....XYZ hater.

what would be the fun on the forum without the likes of him??

johnlarsen · 12-21-06, 01:44 PM

two of the 12nsd will be very similar in performances to the 13.5U

AnthemAVM · 12-21-06, 01:46 PM

I think I just sold my Plus/2, and was going to buy the F113, guess I need to wait to see what this brings.

Michael

bgillyjcu · 12-21-06, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnlarsen

two of the 12nsd will be very similar in performances to the 13.5U

Dude you are priceless!

LOL

TheEAR · 12-21-06, 02:47 PM

Johnlarsen,

I would have to agree with the brown tongue defenders and say you cannot comment a product you have not even seen specs or have not tested yourself.

Do not be a hater or zzabifro may unleash his armchair warriors on you.

johnlarsen · 12-21-06, 02:55 PM

EAR, wassup? It came from the horses mouth that the 13.5 is almost as good as two 12pbU. is that good or bad to these ssambiso's or billyjuices i dont know, but thats what the was said

bgillyjcu · 12-21-06, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnlarsen

EAR, wassup? It came from the horses mouth that the 13.5 is almost as good as two 12pbU. is that good or bad to these ssambiso's or billyjuices i dont know, but thats what the was said

My friend....here is your statement

the pbU13.5 is as almost as good as two pbU12, so it wont be as good as two MK3VTF3

Your A>B and B>C then A>C little comparision DOESN'T work with a SUBWOOFER we have never even heard.

The ONLY way we will know if the pbU13.5 is better, the same, or worse than 2 MK3VTF3's is to have an acutal real life comparision.

I don't have a care in the world who wins either. If its the HSU, then great, if it is SVS then great.

ps........our tounges may wag but that is as far as they go...........but yours on the other hand def. licks some HSU A$$

G-star · 12-21-06, 03:11 PM

the ironic thing about john's endless SVS-hating posts is that he is just as much a zealot (on the other side of the spectrum) as those he chooses to trash. for these reasons, he has little credibility and its best to just ignore him.

johnlarsen · 12-21-06, 03:11 PM

r u kidding billyjuices? you have been licking every body part known to man with your endless post about nsd12, nsd12. r u sure you are not on their XYZ marketing payroll?

in craigSUB test, look at where pbU is in relation to others, duh. if u really didnt care u wouldnt make such a stink out of it

swgiust · 12-21-06, 03:17 PM

What would a current Ultra driver sound like if it bottoms out?
I was playing U517 the other day and got a very distinct "crack
crack crack" sound. I thought it was one of my sound panels,
which is hung behind my sub clicking against the wall, but now I
am not so sure.

bgillyjcu · 12-21-06, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnlarsen

r u kidding billyjuices? you have been licking every body part known to man with your endless post about nsd12, nsd12. r u sure you are not on their XYZ marketing payroll?

in craigSUB test, look at where pbU is in relation to others, duh. if u really didnt care u wouldnt make such a stink out of it

I wish I worked for SVS to get a discount....LOL

But honestly.....I just like busting your balls

I like my SVS and I'll continue to ask questions about it and other subs. I have not been licking it...just talking about it. I don't think it would taste very good. LOL

and

you like your HSU

So who really cares.......

johnlarsen · 12-21-06, 03:22 PM

i don't have a HSU, never have had one. i prefer SEALED. i am saving up for one of the SEATON designed subs

HSU is very good very good for the $$$ though with their MK3

TheEAR · 12-21-06, 03:48 PM

For anyone who called me a fanboy(you know who you are cyberspace warriors)I have too many brands to be a fanboy of any one brand.

I seriously hope the new SVS Ultra kicks the JL in a few spots so I can find an excuse to buy dual SVS Ultras. I am confident it will win the SPL war with little trouble,but how about SQ! SQ rankings are dominated by sealed subs

swgiust · 12-21-06, 04:41 PM

I have a Ultra/2 sub. I have been debating adding another. (Trying to keep up
with this neighborhood!!) Obviously the new Ultra is going to be a better sub,
but surely to be more expensive. Is it a good idea to mix different subs? To
you gain from one's strength over the other? Or is it smarter to use two of the
same subs? Money also becomes an issue. Is a current Ultra/2 for under 2k
a smarter move than the new Ultra/2 in the 2.5-3k range (quessing). Are we
reaching the area of diminishing returns? Sure it's great to have a sub that
plays 120db, but if you never play it that loud, what good is it? I can't believe
that in 18x18 room, I would ever strain two current Ultra/2's. EAR give me your
thoughts.

rockemsockem · 12-21-06, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheEAR

For anyone who called me a fanboy(you know who you are cyberspace warriors)I have too many brands to be a fanboy of any one brand.

I seriously hope the new SVS Ultra kicks the JL in a few spots so I can find an excuse to buy dual SVS Ultras. I am confident it will win the SPL war with little trouble,but how about SQ! SQ rankings are dominated by sealed subs

There's no way you can be married.

TrzVpr · 12-21-06, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheEAR

For anyone who called me a fanboy(you know who you are cyberspace warriors)I have too many brands to be a fanboy of any one brand.

I seriously hope the new SVS Ultra kicks the JL in a few spots so I can find an excuse to buy dual SVS Ultras. I am confident it will win the SPL war with little trouble,but how about SQ! SQ rankings are dominated by sealed subs

LoL, I feel somewhat guilty of this statement...

However, I have now concluded that TheEAR is not a Brand Fanboy but a Performance Fanboy which in the end is something we all are.... TheEAR just happens to be very enthusiastic about which ever particular brand and/or product currently holds the crown..

Cheers to the Ear, a good fellow

Now, back to the order of business....

CES is only Two Weeks AWAY!

The suspense is killing me, I cant hardly wait...

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TrzVpr HT n00bie =p Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 279	New SVS Ultra Woofers at CES 07 Sorry... I dont have any insider information or details regarding these badboys... I probably know as much as you know... But... It seems like SVS has updated their news section since their last posting two months ago... In their newsletter (see link below), they announce the price increase as well as the unveiling of the new Ultra woofer based subs as CES 2007. So, lets hear the guesses as to what we think we will see come Jan 8-11 from SVS.. Personally, I am wondering what kind of enclosure they will put the ultrawoofers in, ported or sealed, maybe both? Will they do both single and dual sub configurations? Where will they be priced at and what finishes will be available? If the new driver is indeed a 13 or 14 inch driver, will this new sub be direct competition for the Fathom 13 driver? I dont know about you but I just cant wait for CES 2007 anymore Cheers!

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TrzVpr HT n00bie =p Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SoCal Posts: 279	Agreed... Whatever the case, I am still looking forward to what SVS showcases at CES07.. The link posted above was indeed good news as Tom claims significant gain over the current Ultra woofers... cant wait to see actual measurements and tests. Maybe the bar will be raised yet again? 07 Looks like a promising year for Electronics..

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kgb540 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 187	The current SVS Ultras are incredible, so the new ones will undoubtedly blow some minds!! Like it has been stated though, the SVS Ultras and the JL's arent the same type of subwoofer and each has a different market. I am personally extremely grateful that JL has pushed the envelope of performance to such a high level with enclosures that are reasonably sized. They are a much easier sell to customers than a coffin sized box (even if the coffin has a pristine finish). It is a good time to be involved in home audio!!

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johnlarsen Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 564	that strike a cord with the tongue wagging fans ay? the pbU13.5 is as almost as good as two pbU12, so it wont be as good as two MK3VTF3. id rather go with two MFW15 (ridiculous insane valued at 999$) or two MK3VTF3 which go lower and maybe more db 20hZ than the 15. Last edited by johnlarsen; 12-21-06 at 01:45 PM..

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johnlarsen Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 564	two of the 12nsd will be very similar in performances to the 13.5U

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TheEAR *** subwoofer madman Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montreal,CANADA Posts: 3,322	Johnlarsen, I would have to agree with the brown tongue defenders and say you cannot comment a product you have not even seen specs or have not tested yourself. Do not be a hater or zzabifro may unleash his armchair warriors on you. __________________ Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.

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johnlarsen Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 564	EAR, wassup? It came from the horses mouth that the 13.5 is almost as good as two 12pbU. is that good or bad to these ssambiso's or billyjuices i dont know, but thats what the was said

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G-star AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,807	the ironic thing about john's endless SVS-hating posts is that he is just as much a zealot (on the other side of the spectrum) as those he chooses to trash. for these reasons, he has little credibility and its best to just ignore him.

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johnlarsen Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 564	r u kidding billyjuices? you have been licking every body part known to man with your endless post about nsd12, nsd12. r u sure you are not on their XYZ marketing payroll? in craigSUB test, look at where pbU is in relation to others, duh. if u really didnt care u wouldnt make such a stink out of it

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swgiust HT Junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 936	Speaking of drivers.... What would a current Ultra driver sound like if it bottoms out? I was playing U517 the other day and got a very distinct "crack crack crack" sound. I thought it was one of my sound panels, which is hung behind my sub clicking against the wall, but now I am not so sure.

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johnlarsen Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 564	i don't have a HSU, never have had one. i prefer SEALED. i am saving up for one of the SEATON designed subs HSU is very good very good for the $$$ though with their MK3

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TheEAR *** subwoofer madman Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montreal,CANADA Posts: 3,322	For anyone who called me a fanboy(you know who you are cyberspace warriors)I have too many brands to be a fanboy of any one brand. I seriously hope the new SVS Ultra kicks the JL in a few spots so I can find an excuse to buy dual SVS Ultras. I am confident it will win the SPL war with little trouble,but how about SQ! SQ rankings are dominated by sealed subs __________________ Ask yourself mortal , do you have as much displacement as me ? The answer is no unless you have a Windmere fan sub.

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swgiust HT Junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 936	2 Ultra question I have a Ultra/2 sub. I have been debating adding another. (Trying to keep up with this neighborhood!!) Obviously the new Ultra is going to be a better sub, but surely to be more expensive. Is it a good idea to mix different subs? To you gain from one's strength over the other? Or is it smarter to use two of the same subs? Money also becomes an issue. Is a current Ultra/2 for under 2k a smarter move than the new Ultra/2 in the 2.5-3k range (quessing). Are we reaching the area of diminishing returns? Sure it's great to have a sub that plays 120db, but if you never play it that loud, what good is it? I can't believe that in 18x18 room, I would ever strain two current Ultra/2's. EAR give me your thoughts.