"Sharp Aquos D92U Owner's Thread"

[sharpie07]

Please post your overall experience here.

Tks


LC42D92U
LC46D92U
LC52D92U
Link to Owners / Operation Manual (English & French)
http://www.sharp.ca/manuals/

Links to other owner's pictures:
http://www.celticfury.net/images/Sharp%20LC46D92U/
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9711822

Links to owners review of D92:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9717210

PS: Send me the URLs for reviews and pictures of others via PM and I will 'sticky' them on this post.

Also check:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3550/dsc0171nv6.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9652/dsc0172gh2.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5894/dsc0173dr2.jpg
Link to D92 banding Poll

Originally Posted by FiReBReTHa

Official AVS Forums Members photos Thread, NO TECHNICAL DISCUSSION - PHOTOS ONLY
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=803673


FAQ

Does The Sharp 92u have HDMI 1.3?
No, it uses HDMI 1.2a

[wtfer]

It should be noted Howdenhe posted this in the D62U thread:

Originally Posted by Howdenhe

Ok its official. ABT Electronics live chat have just confirmed they will receive their first delivery of LC-52D92U sets at the end of next week. The unit is currently available for pre-order on their web site. I am cancelling my order for a D62U and going with the D92U. Good luck everybody!

So in one weeks times we will know if the new D92U's will be shipped out!?
If the information is true.

Official Specs for the 46" & 52":


-Dynamic Contrast Ratio - 15,000:1
-Native Contrast Ratio - 3,000:1
-1920 x 1080 native resolution

-ATSC / QAM / NTSC Tuners
-120 Hz Frame Rate Conversion
-5 wavelength Back-Light System
-Viewing Angle: 176 / 176
-4ms response time

-RS-232C Input
-1 DVI-I Input (1080p compatible)
-2 HD Component Inputs (1080p compatible)
-3 HDMI Inputs (1080p compatible)
-2 Composite Inputs
-1 S-Video Input

LC-52D92U MSRP Price: $ 5299.00
LC-46D92U MSRP Price: $ 4199.00


No 100% confirmation on if the banding has been resolved for the new line.

[fanta]

Is it known whether these sets will have HDMI 1.3?

Also, stupid question - is this new 120Hz frame rate conversion going to be another spec that'll be improved with newer models... like 240Hz, etc..? Or would that be too much image interpoloation and 120Hz is sort of the limit for any more frame rate conversion?

Thanks for any answers.

[Xcalibur_255]

There is a limit to what the human eye detects so far as motion tracking is concerned. 120 Hz will be fine to eliminate the traditional problems associated with current framerates. There would be little benefit in going even higher, though I have no doubt somebody will attempt it because it makes for a great market term (Samsung hasn't slapped "world's first" on enough stuff yet so I'm calling it now that they'll be first ). The 120 Hz process isn't perfect. For example in frames where the motion is so fast that objects move a great distance the vector analysis fails and the processor simply can't make any good guesses and will introduce a cloned frame in it's stead, but for the most part people all agree it's a great improvement at least for some material. What I'm curious about is if it will be a defeatable option the way it is on the 100 Hz european samsung tvs.

On the HDMI 1.3 thing I simply don't get why people are so obsessed with this. All LCD tvs (including the ones that claim to have 10, 12, or 14 bit color processing) are 8-bit panels with the traditional 16.77 million color palette. HDMI 1.3 simply doesn't offer anything new that current LCD sets actually need. The older versions support 1080p, have all the bandwidth they need, and since there nothing in existance which can feed the tv a 120hz native signal and may never be there's no need. The only truly useful 1.3 feature is Deep Color but it is wasted on LCD. Improving the color depth of an LCD panel would slow down the pixel response times pretty dramatically. This is why 6-bit TN film LCD monitors achieve 2ms response.

[wtfer]

well you never know.
Sharp will be the first commercial TV with 1.3 HDMI so they might have gotten around that.

BTW has anyone yet to take a chance & actually pre-ordered the TV?

[Xcalibur_255]

If you're referring to the display color depth then we do now. It's technically impossible to achieve a 4ms response time while at the same time raising the panel's color depth to 10-bit through any current manufacturing means. I'm sure it could be done in lab, but certainly not on a production scale. In other words whether the set has HDMI 1.3 is just not something people should be sweating.

[as6o]

Originally Posted by fanta

Is it known whether these sets will have HDMI 1.3?

Also, stupid question - is this new 120Hz frame rate conversion going to be another spec that'll be improved with newer models... like 240Hz, etc..? Or would that be too much image interpoloation and 120Hz is sort of the limit for any more frame rate conversion?

Thanks for any answers.

I could be mistaken but I was under the impression that 120Hz was sort of the holy grail because you can do p24, p30 and p60 (120 is divisible by all of those) without any kind of pulldown. In contrast, a p60 set needs to do 3:2 pulldown in order to display a p24 source. Because 120Hz can handle all of the standard refresh rates "natively" I don't think there is much point for anything beyond 120Hz (at least in the near-term.)

-Aaron

[sinneD777]

I still can't find if these or any sharp models have sound levelling. I want a sharp but my wife wants the commericals toned down. The salesman at bestbuy said that all modern tv's have this feature. Anyone?

[scherer326]

will Best Buy or Circuit City carry these tvs?

[westa6969]

Originally Posted by sinneD777

I still can't find if these or any sharp models have sound levelling. I want a sharp but my wife wants the commericals toned down. The salesman at bestbuy said that all modern tv's have this feature. Anyone?

If you use a Home Theater Surround System the TV cannot impact or tone down what the HT SS presents. I use a 7.1 sound system digitally through an AVR with my TV and can turn it off and the uptick in volume during commercials ticks you off from the TV but if the TV did tone down that will have zero impact on the AVR which is carrying the surround sound but I'm not giving up my surround for the TV's pathetic Stereo Sound in comparson is no match for impact with movies and sports of a quality sound system.

When I view an HD Football Game the 5.1 sound through the broadcast lets you here all the sound and engulfs the experience - the TV Sound can do no such thing and the HD DVD's other piece that often goes unrecognized is how great it separates sounds without overwhelming dialogue the separation and surround can be amazing on an HD DVD.

[arklab]

Originally Posted by westa6969

If you use a Home Theater Surround System the TV cannot impact or tone down what the HT SS presents. I use a 7.1 sound system digitally through an AVR with my TV and can turn it off and the uptick in volume during commercials ticks you off from the TV but if the TV did tone down that will have zero impact on the AVR which is carrying the surround sound but I'm not giving up my surround for the TV's pathetic Stereo Sound in comparson is no match for impact with movies and sports of a quality sound system.

When I view an HD Football Game the 5.1 sound through the broadcast lets you here all the sound and engulfs the experience - the TV Sound can do no such thing and the HD DVD's other piece that often goes unrecognized is how great it separates sounds without overwhelming dialogue the separation and surround can be amazing on an HD DVD.

Yes, but if stereo IS good enough for you (it is for me), and I use the built-in speakers - do these sets have sound leveling?

Knowing would be helpful.

[kjmcdonald]

Originally Posted by westa6969

If you use a Home Theater Surround System the TV cannot impact or tone down what the HT SS presents. I use a 7.1 sound system digitally through an AVR with my TV and can turn it off and the uptick in volume during commercials ticks you off from the TV but if the TV did tone down that will have zero impact on the AVR which is carrying the surround sound but I'm not giving up my surround for the TV's pathetic Stereo Sound in comparson is no match for impact with movies and sports of a quality sound system.

If your TV has a digital audio out, then you might want to try hooking the Surround processor/amp directly to the TV ( I know this may complicate other things.) Hooking it up this way, depending on your TV, it may be able to adjust the volume for you on the surround system. Your TV remote volume control may even work.

I do this, I don't bother with an AVR. Then again I don't have anymore video devices than I have inputs on my TV.

-Kyle

[kyeo138]

So it looks like Costco's is ONLY getting the 82 series. According to the specs, the differences are these:

D92
It is available in 42", 46" , 52" and 65" D93-Series which only varies in cosmetic design from the D92. It features 15,000:1 Dynamic Contrast ratio and 4ms response time and is 120hz. Of course it's, 1080p, and features 3 HDMI ports all of which support 1080p. There is RS-232C for the custom installers as well as removable speakers and stand.

D82
The D82 is next which is also 120Hz and available in 46" and 52", has 10,000:1 Dynamic Contrast and 4ms response time. The main difference is the contrast, but it's still produced at Sharp's 8th Gen plant. The rest of the features are almost identical as the D92, with no mention of removable speakers or a base.

So is the only difference the 15000 vs 10000 Dynamic contrast ratio, and removable speakers/stand? That and the MSRP for the corresponding sizes in each are $500 cheaper for the D82s.

How much of an actual difference do you think the contrast ratio will make in actual performance?

Also, was it ever confirmend if either of these models will be getting HDMI 1.3?

[mikecoscia]

When will the 42" be up for sale, have only heard about the 45" and 52"

[akflyer]

Just made my pre-order with Ultimate Electronics for a 52D92. A very nice price and no interest until 2010! They expect delivery around the end of the month.

[lipcrkr]

Originally Posted by kyeo138

So it looks like Costco's is ONLY getting the 82 series. According to the specs, the differences are these:

D92
It is available in 42", 46" , 52" and 65" D93-Series which only varies in cosmetic design from the D92. It features 15,000:1 Dynamic Contrast ratio and 4ms response time and is 120hz. Of course it's, 1080p, and features 3 HDMI ports all of which support 1080p. There is RS-232C for the custom installers as well as removable speakers and stand.

D82
The D82 is next which is also 120Hz and available in 46" and 52", has 10,000:1 Dynamic Contrast and 4ms response time. The main difference is the contrast, but it's still produced at Sharp's 8th Gen plant. The rest of the features are almost identical as the D92, with no mention of removable speakers or a base.

So is the only difference the 15000 vs 10000 Dynamic contrast ratio, and removable speakers/stand? That and the MSRP for the corresponding sizes in each are $500 cheaper for the D82s.

How much of an actual difference do you think the contrast ratio will make in actual performance?

Also, was it ever confirmend if either of these models will be getting HDMI 1.3?

The 92u series has DVI which is a great feature for people like myself using it as an HTPC. Having said that, there is a possibility the 82 series can use an HDMI port like the 62 series does along with dot by dot and basically be the same HTPC wise. Dynamic CR means nothing, the native rate, or the amount of contrast during normal viewing, is what's important. I would venture to guess the 92 and 82 series are closer in actual CR than the specs list.

[vidguy_1]

D92 has 5 wave backlight as well

[yatko]

I hope the new D92s do 1280x720 when connected via HDMI->DVI or DVI-DVI at 1 to 1 pixel as well since on the 46" D62 the computer text was the most readable.

[danob]

Originally Posted by kyeo138

So it looks like Costco's is ONLY getting the 82 series. According to the specs, the differences are these:

D92
It is available in 42", 46" , 52" and 65" D93-Series which only varies in cosmetic design from the D92. It features 15,000:1 Dynamic Contrast ratio and 4ms response time and is 120hz. Of course it's, 1080p, and features 3 HDMI ports all of which support 1080p. There is RS-232C for the custom installers as well as removable speakers and stand.

D82
The D82 is next which is also 120Hz and available in 46" and 52", has 10,000:1 Dynamic Contrast and 4ms response time. The main difference is the contrast, but it's still produced at Sharp's 8th Gen plant. The rest of the features are almost identical as the D92, with no mention of removable speakers or a base.

So is the only difference the 15000 vs 10000 Dynamic contrast ratio, and removable speakers/stand? That and the MSRP for the corresponding sizes in each are $500 cheaper for the D82s.

How much of an actual difference do you think the contrast ratio will make in actual performance?

Also, was it ever confirmend if either of these models will be getting HDMI 1.3?

I believe the 82 also lacks a DVI port.

[bsd107]

Are any of the models going to have a CableCard slot???????

[MorrisonHiker]

Originally Posted by bsd107

Are any of the models going to have a CableCard slot???????

No

[dmzguy]

Originally Posted by yatko

I hope the new D92s do 1280x720 when connected via HDMI->DVI or DVI-DVI at 1 to 1 pixel as well since on the 46" D62 the computer text was the most readable.

LCD TVs only natively run at one resolution; the D92s physically have 1920x1080 pixels; to run at "1:1" you will need to be taking 1920x1080 content and displaying it on the screen at 1920x1080;(with no overscan) I think it's kind of an oxymoron to say that you will be taking 1280x720 res and running it 1:1 to a 1920x1080 screen...

MAYBE the TV will upconvert the image from 1280x720 to 1920x1080 and then display it without any overscan; but you're having the upconvert the image then... (again assuming that the TV will even do this)

You'd probably have a much better image if you set your PC to 1920x1080 resolution, enable 1:1/"dot-by-dot" and then, if the text is too small for you to read, just go into the application or go into Windows and increase the text size. (You can do this within Windows Control panel, if you want to change the text size for every application, or you can change the text size in your office apps individually, or you can individually change the text size in IE...

Please by all means play with it, but I think you will find that you will have the best over-all PQ if you set your PC to output at 1920x1080 and just increase the size of the text until you can read it. (You can also set the desktop icons to be larger, if you desire.)


Adam

[sharpie07]

Thanks. I owned the 46" D62 before (had to return it due to banding) and from 8ft distance the only way to read the computer text was to turn down the computer resolution to 1280x720. The D62 line (I think with some overscan) was capable of doing this and the detail and sharpness of the computer screen was OK. I hope the D92 (or my budget friendly D82) will have the similar feature.

I understand that I shouldn't have used 1:1 term when discribing 1280x720 capability (in computer screen) but the way D62 handled 1280x720 was almost as good as 1:1.

For watching movies on Blue-ray I was using it at 1920x1080

Originally Posted by dmzguy

LCD TVs only natively run at one resolution; the D92s physically have 1920x1080 pixels; to run at "1:1" you will need to be taking 1920x1080 content and displaying it on the screen at 1920x1080;(with no overscan) I think it's kind of an oxymoron to say that you will be taking 1280x720 res and running it 1:1 to a 1920x1080 screen...

MAYBE the TV will upconvert the image from 1280x720 to 1920x1080 and then display it without any overscan; but you're having the upconvert the image then... (again assuming that the TV will even do this)

You'd probably have a much better image if you set your PC to 1920x1080 resolution, enable 1:1/"dot-by-dot" and then, if the text is too small for you to read, just go into the application or go into Windows and increase the text size. (You can do this within Windows Control panel, if you want to change the text size for every application, or you can change the text size in your office apps individually, or you can individually change the text size in IE...

Please by all means play with it, but I think you will find that you will have the best over-all PQ if you set your PC to output at 1920x1080 and just increase the size of the text until you can read it. (You can also set the desktop icons to be larger, if you desire.)


Adam

[Sig-Sauer]

Hi all i new here been lurking and reading/learning for a few months now. I haven't seen anyone here post that they got one of these new bad boys home yet so i guess i am the first. I picked a LC-46D92 up from the local Video Only when i returned my sony 40V2500 due to its lack of 1080p through vga. They were fresh off the truck 2 hours before i got there. The set looks great it has a black crome trim ring around it that really looks sharp. They treated me good and gave me a killer deal ($500 less then the best price on pricegrabber). The picture is fantastic i cant find any clouds or banding, that was the first thing i looked for. Removable speakers on the bottom look good, and sound ok for what they are. Overall i am very pleased with it so far.

[westa6969]

Originally Posted by Sig-Sauer

Hi all i new here been lurking and reading/learning for a few months now. I haven't seen anyone here post that they got one of these new bad boys home yet so i guess i am the first. I picked a LC-46D92 up from the local Video Only when i returned my sony 40V2500 due to its lack of 1080p through vga. They were fresh off the truck 2 hours before i got there. The set looks great it has a black crome trim ring around it that really looks sharp. They treated me good and gave me a killer deal ($500 less then the best price on pricegrabber). The picture is fantastic i cant find any clouds or banding, that was the first thing i looked for. Removable speakers on the bottom look good, and sound ok for what they are. Overall i am very pleased with it so far.

Please do start an owners thread on your acquisition. We have no owners thread yet officially. I see your new but you get the honors if your willing to answer insane number of questions and post pictures and then other new owners will join you.

Somebody please start an owners thread - this is the first time I ever recall new owners arriving and not starting the thread so we may close out the speculation thread on the D92. Or Moderator could you change this ridiculous thread title. Thanks and enjoy!

[santori_time]

Originally Posted by Sig-Sauer

Hi all i new here been lurking and reading/learning for a few months now. I haven't seen anyone here post that they got one of these new bad boys home yet so i guess i am the first. I picked a LC-46D92 up from the local Video Only when i returned my sony 40V2500 due to its lack of 1080p through vga. They were fresh off the truck 2 hours before i got there. The set looks great it has a black crome trim ring around it that really looks sharp. They treated me good and gave me a killer deal ($500 less then the best price on pricegrabber). The picture is fantastic i cant find any clouds or banding, that was the first thing i looked for. Removable speakers on the bottom look good, and sound ok for what they are. Overall i am very pleased with it so far.

Do you have an xbox 360 to see if the DVI-I port accepts analog 1080p?

[wallstreet123456]

Glad to see this section started now if anyone who owns one could give us some feed back

[Sig-Sauer]

HDMI, Component , and DVI all take 1080p this is confirmed. Also it does not have a sound leveling feature that i can find.

[santori_time]

Originally Posted by Sig-Sauer

HDMI, Component , and DVI all take 1080p this is confirmed. Also it does not have a sound leveling feature that i can find.

I realize that these features have been confirmed by Sharp. However, given their history (37d90u) with analog 1080p from the xbox 360 over VGA, I will not be satified until someone actually hooks it up in this fashion and reports back.

[Sig-Sauer]

By confirmed i mean i tried it, and it works