Warner stop combos and stop hybrid discs!!!

d3code · 01-04-07, 01:45 PM

seriously. fook warner and those lowlives who come up with those combo and hybrid discs!

either be truelly neutral or chose 1 format. but stop with those rediculous ideas of combos and hybrid discs!

I hate them! i hate them! do you listen warner? i hate them!

what i hate even more, is that Warner doesnt take a real stand and bring either HD-DVD or bluray to the next level. as the biggest movie company in the world they take a very weak stand towards HD in general. they should have at least announched 100 movies by now and 10 series.

also if you cant even add either TRUE DTS, LPCM or DTS-MA on blu-ray then dont release at all for bluray. are the guys who authorise your movies that bad that they cant even add a real lossless track on bluray?

so please stop in being such a weak company and show some fooking muscle. or is warner run by people like Commodus from the movie gladiator?

maybe warner should take a look at their own distributed movie 300 and learn a thing about how real man take a stand!

that was my rant for today. damn that felt good writing that

Rob Zuber · 01-04-07, 02:07 PM

No no no. Haven't you read the press today? They describe hybrid discs as the solution to all of our problems, including global warming and bringing about world peace.

Seriously, why can't these boobs at least ask basic questions like: what is the price, capacity and bandwidth of these discs?

homerx · 01-04-07, 03:43 PM

If both versions are on the same side of the disc I can only see probloms resulting. I can't imagine the cost of a blu-ray/HD-DVD/DVD conbo cost. Their combos already sell for 35-40 each. Adding blu-ray to that would add at least 10 bucks to the prices. 40-60 a disc I don't think so. Looks like ill be importing a lot if that's the case. The UK dosent seem to get all the combos. What up with that do they feel they will change quicker then the US..

Petra · 01-04-07, 03:59 PM

Let's all do a petition to Warner to stop this insanity

Blu-ray and HD-DVD can't co-exist!!

heavyharmonies · 01-04-07, 04:07 PM

Cats and dogs living together!

Oh the humanity!!!!

Neo1965 · 01-04-07, 04:16 PM

I think the disks are supposed to flip over (guess) instead of all on one side.

From my understanding, rental places refuse to take flippies as they get damaged faster.

hmurchison · 01-04-07, 05:13 PM

Warner should be applauded for coming up with a solution that studios and retailers will conceptually like.

The chief complaint is price and that's based on an assumption.

SJHT · 01-04-07, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hmurchison

Warner should be applauded for coming up with a solution that studios and retailers will conceptually like.

The chief complaint is price and that's based on an assumption.

I agree. Even my spouse thinks this is a good idea. We have played our Superman Returns on all of our players.... SJ

SamwisetheBrave · 01-04-07, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hmurchison

Warner should be applauded for coming up with a solution that studios and retailers will conceptually like.

The chief complaint is price and that's based on an assumption.

I'd assume that a two-pack of Coke/Pepsi WOULD cost more, wouldn't you?

hmurchison · 01-04-07, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SJHT

I agree. Even my spouse thinks this is a good idea. We have played our Superman Returns on all of our players.... SJ

Yes indeed. I've taken advantage of my combos too. It really is illogical to dislike the idea. Warner has a product that increases the value of a disc you purchase. If you wanted to sell your disc (and who hasn't seen people wanting to trade movies) which market is larger HD DVD, Blu-ray or both?

I've never seen more choice as a bad thing in this context. I wish DVD and CD could merge in the same way.

amirm · 01-04-07, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hmurchison

I wish DVD and CD could merge in the same way.

That was done actually. But the composite was too thick, causing damage to some transports. As a result, it created a lot of politcal grief, given the fact the discs were not compliant with DVD spec, yet folks wanted to label them as such.

The idea was to gradually move away the CD buying public from that format to the "more secure" DVD Format.

SamIam2 · 01-04-07, 07:03 PM

... the question is though, which would be more advantageous to the end user ... a player that will play anything ... or specific disks that will play on any player?

Personally the former solution seems simpler and (more) fool proof.

... the latter seems like a bandaid fix for a problem... especially if it is not universally adopted.

Sam

hmurchison · 01-04-07, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamIam2

... the question is though, which would be more advantageous to the end user ... a player that will play anything ... or specific disks that will play on any player?

Personally the former solution seems simpler and (more) fool proof.

... the latter seems like a bandaid fix for a problem... especially if it is not universally adopted.

Sam

I think it's pretty clear the Uni players offer a bigger bang for consumers than uni discs. However consumers are foolish if they thing that studios aren't watching the costs of delivering on both formats ..in particular the smaller studios.

I see both technologies as a way to "meet in the middle" the respective parties get their licensing fees and consumers get peace of mind. We all pay for convenience and Uni player/discs are definitely convenient in times of format wars.

dauthum · 01-04-07, 08:11 PM

Do you actually believe this is really for the consumer? Do you think they will bring these out at the same price as non hybrids? They are doing this for their pockets.As an owner of both formats I have made the decision to pick the titles in the format that gives them the best PQ/AQ. With WB going to these (and assuming strictly going to this format), I as the consumer no longer have a choice to which format I want it on, and to add insult have to pay more for the "convenience" of them putting the movie in this format B.S.

krinkle · 01-04-07, 08:34 PM

seriously warner has gone nuts with this flipper combo nonsense.

i will stop supporting warner if they think I am going to pay $40-60 for one movie.

and flippers just suck!!!

I always hated DVD flippers, one of my pet peeves actually.

it amazes me that the studios do crap like this and then wonder why piracy is rising around the world, sad really

diogen · 01-04-07, 11:33 PM

I think we are close to witnessing the rarest of events:
a studio - Warner Bros. in this case - smarter than AVSForum regulars.

Diogen.

ckong · 01-04-07, 11:40 PM

A flipper disc? Are you talking 30GB on HD DVD side and 50GB on BD side? If it's 15GB and 25GB respectively, I don't think it's a good idea.....

theforce8686 · 01-04-07, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diogen

I think we are close to witnessing the rarest of events:
a studio - Warner Bros. in this case - smarter than AVSForum regulars.

Diogen.

Smarter for who? I think 90% of the people on here are against this idea. How smart is that really. They have managed to unite BD and HD fans to hate the same thing for once.

diogen · 01-04-07, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by theforce8686

...They have managed to unite BD and HD fans to hate the same thing for once.

Fans, true. I guess this is the reason I like it: I'm not a fan.
When was it the last time fans had anything to do with businesses making money?

They might be smart if only because their solution won't let the same fans kill both formats.

Diogen.

Jeff Lampert · 01-05-07, 12:05 AM

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Warner should be applauded for coming up with a solution that studios and retailers will conceptually like.

Reminds me of the Simpsons Halloween episode where Bart uses a molecule transporter (like in The Fly) to combine his dog and cat. He puts them both in the machine and turns it on. After a couple of seconds, out walks a two headed dog/cat with a head on each end. Bart says "cool, twice the fun, none of the mess". Next walks out the tail ends of both animals attached to each other. He says "Eeww. Lisa can have you."

heavyharmonies · 01-05-07, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by theforce8686

Smarter for who? I think 90% of the people on here are against this idea. How smart is that really. They have managed to unite BD and HD fans to hate the same thing for once.

Actually, from what I've seen thus far (admittedly a very small sample size) it appears that far more BR supporters are against this than HD-DVD supporters... or maybe the BR supporters are just more vocal about it.

rdjam · 01-05-07, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by d3code

seriously. fook warner and those lowlives who come up with those combo and hybrid discs!

Hi decode -

As a very dedicated Bluray individual, I didn't realize that this issue caused you so much concern. I assume this is why you started the thread in software discussion.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the dual format discs but the price, IMO, the HD DVD stuff still gets two layers for the full space.

dauthum · 01-05-07, 12:40 AM

I would figure just as many HD-DVD supporters would be disappointed or aggravated by this announcement . As I have stated I own both formats and believe I should be able to purchase the title in the format of my choosing. If you have to start paying an extra $5-$10 for WB movies b/c all releases are these hybrids how happy will you be. This hurts all of us. If we don't like these prices how will those who don't care now ever get convinced to jump in(ie SACD/DVD-A).I don't know about you, but I would like to see one format succeed rather than to watch both fail.

theforce8686 · 01-05-07, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by heavyharmonies

Actually, from what I've seen thus far (admittedly a very small sample size) it appears that far more BR supporters are against this than HD-DVD supporters... or maybe the BR supporters are just more vocal about it.

Thats because BD supporters already have the support of everyone but Universal. And with the lack of hits they are producing I can survive without them in HD. Im gonna have to spend more money on a Warner title for half a disc I dont want and cant use.

hd nOOb · 01-05-07, 01:20 AM

I guess HD DVD has proved its self. I will not buy a dual player.

UxiSXRD · 01-05-07, 03:46 AM

Is Warner going to stop making BD and HD-DVD separately or are they going to do 3 releases of everything (1 BD, 1 HD-DVD, and 1 Total HD?). It would certainly be an interesting take on "neutrality" if they went 'exclusively' Total HD.

Brian Shannon · 01-05-07, 08:04 AM

I like the idea

AnthonyB · 01-05-07, 11:53 AM

Seriously, we are a knitting circle of people bitching about whatever happens thats not up to our par, for now, I am happy to have just the support of HD-DVD and if that comes in the form of high-def dual disk, we are going to have to deal with it..

JUST DON'T MESS AROUND WITH PRICE AND QUALITY. That includes True-HD.

diogen · 01-05-07, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theforce8686

...Im gonna have to spend more money on a Warner title for half a disc I dont want and cant use.

You will have to spend only if it takes off.
It will take off only if your favourite format doesn't win.

What is wrong with Warner idea if neither format can knock out the competitor?

Diogen.

inca · 01-05-07, 12:43 PM

I can't even stand the combo disks they have now, with a $34 price tag. I bought a HD-DVD player to play HD-DVDs, not SD-DVDs. I would rather buy cheaper HD-DVD only discs then this combo crap. Now they have this dual blu-ray HD-DVD stuff, no way.

I will say that if the dual formats sell for $19-24, then I have no beef against it since its not more expensive, but reality is that I think it will be from $35-40, no way, not buying it!

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d3code AVS Special Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,362	Warner stop combos and stop hybrid discs!!! seriously. fook warner and those lowlives who come up with those combo and hybrid discs! either be truelly neutral or chose 1 format. but stop with those rediculous ideas of combos and hybrid discs! I hate them! i hate them! do you listen warner? i hate them! what i hate even more, is that Warner doesnt take a real stand and bring either HD-DVD or bluray to the next level. as the biggest movie company in the world they take a very weak stand towards HD in general. they should have at least announched 100 movies by now and 10 series. also if you cant even add either TRUE DTS, LPCM or DTS-MA on blu-ray then dont release at all for bluray. are the guys who authorise your movies that bad that they cant even add a real lossless track on bluray? so please stop in being such a weak company and show some fooking muscle. or is warner run by people like Commodus from the movie gladiator? maybe warner should take a look at their own distributed movie 300 and learn a thing about how real man take a stand! that was my rant for today. damn that felt good writing that

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krinkle Advanced Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 761	seriously warner has gone nuts with this flipper combo nonsense. i will stop supporting warner if they think I am going to pay $40-60 for one movie. and flippers just suck!!! I always hated DVD flippers, one of my pet peeves actually. it amazes me that the studios do crap like this and then wonder why piracy is rising around the world, sad really

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dauthum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 132	I would figure just as many HD-DVD supporters would be disappointed or aggravated by this announcement . As I have stated I own both formats and believe I should be able to purchase the title in the format of my choosing. If you have to start paying an extra $5-$10 for WB movies b/c all releases are these hybrids how happy will you be. This hurts all of us. If we don't like these prices how will those who don't care now ever get convinced to jump in(ie SACD/DVD-A).I don't know about you, but I would like to see one format succeed rather than to watch both fail. Last edited by dauthum; 01-05-07 at 12:47 AM..

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Rob Zuber Advanced Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 745	No no no. Haven't you read the press today? They describe hybrid discs as the solution to all of our problems, including global warming and bringing about world peace. Seriously, why can't these boobs at least ask basic questions like: what is the price, capacity and bandwidth of these discs?

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Petra Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 376	Let's all do a petition to Warner to stop this insanity Blu-ray and HD-DVD can't co-exist!!

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Neo1965 Innocent Bystander I Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: CANADA! Posts: 3,525	I think the disks are supposed to flip over (guess) instead of all on one side. From my understanding, rental places refuse to take flippies as they get damaged faster.

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hmurchison HD Cat Herder Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle Posts: 3,964	Warner should be applauded for coming up with a solution that studios and retailers will conceptually like. The chief complaint is price and that's based on an assumption.

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SamIam2 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 429	... the question is though, which would be more advantageous to the end user ... a player that will play anything ... or specific disks that will play on any player? Personally the former solution seems simpler and (more) fool proof. ... the latter seems like a bandaid fix for a problem... especially if it is not universally adopted. Sam

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dauthum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 132	Do you actually believe this is really for the consumer? Do you think they will bring these out at the same price as non hybrids? They are doing this for their pockets.As an owner of both formats I have made the decision to pick the titles in the format that gives them the best PQ/AQ. With WB going to these (and assuming strictly going to this format), I as the consumer no longer have a choice to which format I want it on, and to add insult have to pay more for the "convenience" of them putting the movie in this format B.S.

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diogen AVS Special Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,315	I think we are close to witnessing the rarest of events: a studio - Warner Bros. in this case - smarter than AVSForum regulars. Diogen.

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ckong Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 481	A flipper disc? Are you talking 30GB on HD DVD side and 50GB on BD side? If it's 15GB and 25GB respectively, I don't think it's a good idea.....

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AnthonyB HT Nutcase Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,055	Seriously, we are a knitting circle of people bitching about whatever happens thats not up to our par, for now, I am happy to have just the support of HD-DVD and if that comes in the form of high-def dual disk, we are going to have to deal with it.. JUST DON'T MESS AROUND WITH PRICE AND QUALITY. That includes True-HD.

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inca Advanced Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 901	I can't even stand the combo disks they have now, with a $34 price tag. I bought a HD-DVD player to play HD-DVDs, not SD-DVDs. I would rather buy cheaper HD-DVD only discs then this combo crap. Now they have this dual blu-ray HD-DVD stuff, no way. I will say that if the dual formats sell for $19-24, then I have no beef against it since its not more expensive, but reality is that I think it will be from $35-40, no way, not buying it!