Yes - Fragile DVD-A OR Dire Straits - BIA SACD??

Xenos · 01-23-07, 06:48 AM

Last disc I can fit in this order... what should it be?!!!

privit1 · 01-23-07, 07:06 AM

BIA Dual disc ? the best sounding BIA disc by far.

MickB · 01-23-07, 08:32 AM

BIA is fantastic.

PaulT_BC · 01-23-07, 08:34 AM

Screw Dual Discs - you can get the SACD in Canada - BIA hands down!

Get the Stereo release of Fragile Ultradisc Gold CD by Mobile Fidelity (just out). Not surround but supposedly very very good mix.
http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=2096

I have the DVDA - OK surround mix but very harsh high end. Probably OOP soon so if you want the surround version, pick it up anyways.

Like Paperboy2003 below, I have both and would get BIA.

Paperboy2003 · 01-23-07, 10:10 AM

I have both...go with BIA

oztech · 01-23-07, 12:03 PM

bia is my best sounding sacd so far.

David Scott · 01-23-07, 01:11 PM

I have both and both sound good. BIA just sounds better, much better.

William · 01-23-07, 01:42 PM

It is hard to believe that BIA's is an early 48/16 original master recording.

PaulT_BC · 01-23-07, 02:05 PM

I believe it was originally recorded in 1985 as 44.1/16 PCM.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hi...es/205802.html

There has been arguments up and down on all the boards since pre-release whether or not an SACD version from original 44.1/16 could improve it. Regardless of whether it is officially hi-res or not, the surround mix is fantastic and IMHO one of the best ones out there.

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/sh...ad.php?t=51310
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/138565.html

Xenos · 01-24-07, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulT_BC

Screw Dual Discs - you can get the SACD in Canada - BIA hands down!

Get the Stereo release of Fragile Ultradisc Gold CD by Mobile Fidelity (just out). Not surround but supposedly very very good mix.
http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=2096

I have the DVDA - OK surround mix but very harsh high end. Probably OOP soon so if you want the surround version, pick it up anyways.

Like Paperboy2003 below, I have both and would get BIA.

Well... looks like you were right! I just got an e-mail saying they no longer have it.

So... now the choice changes

Porcupine Tree - Deadwing DVD-A or Dire Straits - BIA SACD

Or maybe Foreigner - 4?

PaulT_BC · 01-24-07, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenos

So... now the choice changes

Porcupine Tree - Deadwing DVD-A or Dire Straits - BIA SACD

Or maybe Foreigner - 4?

Still BIA

Deadwing is very good (personally I like In Absentia better). Don't have 4 but was never a really big Foreigner fan.

You will find that more and more DVDA are going OOP so if you 'think' you might like one you see and it is available - buy it.

The Rang · 01-24-07, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulT_BC

Yes - Fragile: I have the DVDA - OK surround mix but very harsh high end. Probably OOP soon so if you want the surround version, pick it up anyways.

Like Paperboy2003 below, I have both and would get BIA.

Paul,
I've read elsewhere that the surround mix sounds harsh.

What about the 2 channel section?

PaulT_BC · 01-24-07, 06:42 PM

To be honest I almost never listen to the stereo tracks on MC discs, so cannot comment on the stereo section. Have to assume the same EQ though. I'm away from home right now or I'd pop it in the player.

I'll probably pick up the MoFi Gold CD reissue for the stereo version.

Flexx · 03-07-07, 08:38 AM

Heads up...Fragile is back in stock at CDUniverse.

Spencer1812 · 03-07-07, 11:04 AM

Thanks Flexx, I just ordered it. They accepted the order, I have been looking for this for 4 months.

stormchaser · 03-07-07, 01:05 PM

Where the hell did CD Universe find those? Fragile is really, really, hard to find. As to the OP, pick up the Foreigner as it is really rare now. the BIA will be around for awhile.

filper · 03-07-07, 02:40 PM

I found a copy of BIA SACD at my local Best Buy last Saturday... it was never there before.

$22. Excellent surround mix.

Spencer1813 · 03-07-07, 09:04 PM

Check it out stormchaser, Flexx was right. I just got home. and I got order confirmation, and my order shipped today. Could it be that WEA is re-pressing?

stormchaser · 03-07-07, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spencer1813

Check it out stormchaser, Flexx was right. I just got home. and I got order confirmation, and my order shipped today. Could it be that WEA is re-pressing?

That'll be the day. I'd love to be wrong though....

The Rang · 03-07-07, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormchaser

Where the hell did CD Universe find those? Fragile is really, really, hard to find. As to the OP, pick up the Foreigner as it is really rare now. the BIA will be around for awhile.

My local BB has three copies sitting there.
O course, Warners DVD-A's are expensive up here in Canada. Fragile is actually one of the cheaper ones at $25.99.
Same store has The Nightfly and both Foreigners. Maybe I should just hold my breath and pay....

privit1 · 03-08-07, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormchaser

Where the hell did CD Universe find those? Fragile is really, really, hard to find. As to the OP, pick up the Foreigner as it is really rare now. the BIA will be around for awhile.

I had a copy of the DVDA of Fragile delivered yesterday from Amazon.co.uk this was the standard store.

I like what i have heard so far.

keeping on thread just i would reccommend the Dual Disc version of BIA over the SACD.

deeppurpleman · 03-08-07, 09:28 AM

Get the MFSL CD of Fragile. Better than either of the above choices.

Flexx · 03-08-07, 09:53 AM

If anyone still wants the BIA SACD...

Milt99 · 03-08-07, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Get the MFSL CD of Fragile

Ah but it's not multi-channel.
CD Universe says backordered but available in 3-10 days or something similiar.
I ended up ordering it from Germany via Amazonuk.

tom_c · 03-08-07, 10:48 PM

I haven't heard BIA on SACD, it'll be my next purchase. Yes Fragile however, blows me away when my system is working perfectly. It's usually my reference disk when I'm trying something new in my system. I'm waiting for Cowboy Junkies Whites Off Earth Now, to come out on SACD, that's my reference CD for 2 channel mode.

The Rang · 03-08-07, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom_c

I haven't heard BIA on SACD, it'll be my next purchase. Yes Fragile however, blows me away when my system is working perfectly. It's usually my reference disk when I'm trying something new in my system. I'm waiting for Cowboy Junkies Whites Off Earth Now, to come out on SACD, that's my reference CD for 2 channel mode.

Are you refering to the DVD-A or Gold disc Fragile?

Gov · 03-09-07, 03:50 PM

A HUGE thumbs up for BIA!!!!! This SACD is incredible!! Just got it today and I had it so loud, my ears are ringing like I just saw them in concert. This is a seriously good sounding SACD!!

The Rang · 03-09-07, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gov

A HUGE thumbs up for BIA!!!!! This SACD is incredible!! Just got it today and I had it so loud, my ears are ringing like I just saw them in concert. This is a seriously good sounding SACD!!

OK....time to add this one to the list.

This is getting expensive.
Most of the titles on my "want" list are OOP so I have to buy 'em when I see 'em.
You never know if it's your last chance.

tom_c · 03-10-07, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Are you refering to the DVD-A or Gold disc Fragile?

DVD-A, where do I get the gold disk? Is it better?

Thanks,
Tom

Sam S · 03-10-07, 11:37 PM

I feel really bad for those here that feel that BIA is their best sounding SACD.

This is truely the most compressed, maximized hi-rez disc I have ever purchased. Loud, hard, and terribly fatiguing at anything about the absolute lowest volume, this is a mastering disaster.

If you have any other version of this recording, do this simple test. Put on track #3 "Walk Of Life". Listen for about 1:00 minute, until the drums and vocals start really coming in. Now, crank up your volume as loud as comfortable. Leave volume there, take out CD and put in SACD. Play the same track and wait unit you get to that same point. LOUD! This means that during the mastering stage, the dynamics were compressed, clipped and distorted. In effect, the music has been permanently altered, and ruined.

For a more thorough example, see here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ

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PaulT_BC Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: B.C., Canada Posts: 400	Screw Dual Discs - you can get the SACD in Canada - BIA hands down! Get the Stereo release of Fragile Ultradisc Gold CD by Mobile Fidelity (just out). Not surround but supposedly very very good mix. http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=2096 I have the DVDA - OK surround mix but very harsh high end. Probably OOP soon so if you want the surround version, pick it up anyways. Like Paperboy2003 below, I have both and would get BIA. __________________ "One of the problems of taking things apart and seeing how they work--supposing you're trying to find out how a cat works--you take that cat apart to see how it works, what you've got in your hands is a non-working cat." -- Douglas Adams Last edited by PaulT_BC; 01-23-07 at 10:28 AM..

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William AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,698 Classified Rating: 100% (2)	It is hard to believe that BIA's is an early 48/16 original master recording. __________________ William

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PaulT_BC Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: B.C., Canada Posts: 400	I believe it was originally recorded in 1985 as 44.1/16 PCM. http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hi...es/205802.html There has been arguments up and down on all the boards since pre-release whether or not an SACD version from original 44.1/16 could improve it. Regardless of whether it is officially hi-res or not, the surround mix is fantastic and IMHO one of the best ones out there. http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/sh...ad.php?t=51310 http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/138565.html __________________ "One of the problems of taking things apart and seeing how they work--supposing you're trying to find out how a cat works--you take that cat apart to see how it works, what you've got in your hands is a non-working cat." -- Douglas Adams

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privit1 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 44	BIA Dual disc ? the best sounding BIA disc by far.

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MickB AVS Special Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,114	BIA is fantastic.

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oztech AVS Special Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 5,371	bia is my best sounding sacd so far.

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David Scott AVS Special Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chico, California Posts: 1,273	I have both and both sound good. BIA just sounds better, much better.

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PaulT_BC Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: B.C., Canada Posts: 400	To be honest I almost never listen to the stereo tracks on MC discs, so cannot comment on the stereo section. Have to assume the same EQ though. I'm away from home right now or I'd pop it in the player. I'll probably pick up the MoFi Gold CD reissue for the stereo version. __________________ "One of the problems of taking things apart and seeing how they work--supposing you're trying to find out how a cat works--you take that cat apart to see how it works, what you've got in your hands is a non-working cat." -- Douglas Adams

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Flexx Advanced Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: South Florida Posts: 609	Heads up...Fragile is back in stock at CDUniverse. __________________ Felix E. Martinez Apples & Oranges

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stormchaser Agent of Entropy Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 56	Where the hell did CD Universe find those? Fragile is really, really, hard to find. As to the OP, pick up the Foreigner as it is really rare now. the BIA will be around for awhile.

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filper Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Oakville, ON Posts: 114	I found a copy of BIA SACD at my local Best Buy last Saturday... it was never there before. $22. Excellent surround mix. __________________ simplicity is genius...

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Spencer1813 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 63	Check it out stormchaser, Flexx was right. I just got home. and I got order confirmation, and my order shipped today. Could it be that WEA is re-pressing?

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deeppurpleman Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 66	Get the MFSL CD of Fragile. Better than either of the above choices.

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tom_c Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 54	I haven't heard BIA on SACD, it'll be my next purchase. Yes Fragile however, blows me away when my system is working perfectly. It's usually my reference disk when I'm trying something new in my system. I'm waiting for Cowboy Junkies Whites Off Earth Now, to come out on SACD, that's my reference CD for 2 channel mode.

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Gov Addicted to LFE Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NW Burbs of Chgo, IL Posts: 1,910	A HUGE thumbs up for BIA!!!!! This SACD is incredible!! Just got it today and I had it so loud, my ears are ringing like I just saw them in concert. This is a seriously good sounding SACD!!

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Sam S AVS Special Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,569	I feel really bad for those here that feel that BIA is their best sounding SACD. This is truely the most compressed, maximized hi-rez disc I have ever purchased. Loud, hard, and terribly fatiguing at anything about the absolute lowest volume, this is a mastering disaster. If you have any other version of this recording, do this simple test. Put on track #3 "Walk Of Life". Listen for about 1:00 minute, until the drums and vocals start really coming in. Now, crank up your volume as loud as comfortable. Leave volume there, take out CD and put in SACD. Play the same track and wait unit you get to that same point. LOUD! This means that during the mastering stage, the dynamics were compressed, clipped and distorted. In effect, the music has been permanently altered, and ruined. For a more thorough example, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ