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HIPER69 · 01-24-07, 02:10 PM

Hey Guy's I'm New To This Thread I Was Wondering I Am Running A Reg Cable To The Tv Now I Am Getting Pay Per View Chanels On The Tv's Sub Chanels Is There Any Way To Keep This Going Like For Ever By The Sub Chanels I Mean 90.1 90.2 90.3 And So On Anybody Else Having The Issue

homcom · 01-24-07, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HIPER69

Hey Guy's I'm New To This Thread I Was Wondering I Am Running A Reg Cable To The Tv Now I Am Getting Pay Per View Chanels On The Tv's Sub Chanels Is There Any Way To Keep This Going Like For Ever By The Sub Chanels I Mean 90.1 90.2 90.3 And So On Anybody Else Having The Issue

It sounds like you seeing other people's on demand streams. If you ask your question again with punctuation and some sentence structure I might be able to help you out.

miniz · 01-24-07, 05:20 PM

So you are asking if there is anyway that you can continue to keep stealing cable services? A very bright person we have indeed.

Ratman · 01-24-07, 06:29 PM

He's not stealing... it's sent unencypted. It happens in many cable areas.
Bright person indeed!

miniz · 01-24-07, 07:12 PM

So because the signal is sent unencypted it is OK to steal it??? Let me put that in terms you can understand, that are from your technology time period. If the cable company is sending you an analog signal that you are not paying for, yet is NOT SCAMBLED, you can take it for free without paying for it??? WRONG. That is stealing!!! Unless he is watching duplicated (meaning network) HD broadcasts without paying (which he is not) then he is stealing.

bfoster · 01-24-07, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by miniz

So because the signal is sent unencypted it is OK to steal it??? Let me put that in terms you can understand, that are from your technology time period. If the cable company is sending you an analog signal that you are not paying for, yet is NOT SCAMBLED, you can take it for free without paying for it??? WRONG. That is stealing!!! Unless he is watching duplicated (meaning network) HD broadcasts without paying (which he is not) then he is stealing.

What an idiot. If you are paying for cable and they send additional programming into your house in the clear there is no law saying you can't watch it.

miniz · 01-24-07, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bfoster

What an idiot. If you are paying for cable and they send additional programming into your house in the clear there is no law saying you can't watch it.

I suggest you re-read or in your case READ the user agreement with your cable co. This is illegal.

bfoster · 01-24-07, 07:49 PM

Wrong.

miniz · 01-24-07, 10:22 PM

You didn't read it, did you? Why am I not surprised!

Ratman · 01-25-07, 08:18 AM

For analog cable:
If you call to unsubscribe or cancel service(s) and the cableco does not filter/disconnect services, that's on them and not stealing IMO. If you don't call... then yes, that's theft of service.

For digital cable channels:
Channels that the cableco does not want anyone to receive for "free" are encrypted at the head end. So, if you get them... (without using a illegal device/"black box), apparently they don't care and anyone with a QAM tuner can receive them. Getting VOD unencrypted is quite "normal" in many areas. Although, many times, you only get to watch for a few minutes sometimes since the channel(s) get frequently/dynamically reassigned. Also, you may have to suffer watching someone fast forwarding, rewinding, pausing... etc.

miniz · 01-25-07, 05:34 PM

thank you for making up your own user policy.

Ratman · 01-25-07, 05:39 PM

It makes more practical sense more than your blabbering.

miniz · 01-25-07, 05:53 PM

Too bad the cable company doesn't agree with it.

Ratman · 01-25-07, 06:10 PM

Oh... so I guess if one informs the provider and the provider takes no action(s), then I should stop watching TV, keep calling and demand that they remove/disconnect/filter/encrypt etc... and wait for them to get around to it? I know of two people that cancelled cable video (retaining HSI) and still get all video........ for over two years.

Get real! All you are required to do is to inform them. That's it. If they don't act upon that then "you" are no longer liable.

As for digital... again, it's on them since it's encrypted at the head end. Every cable subscriber is capable of legally receiving whatever they decide to send 'in the clear'. I think that's the whole point of QAM tuners.

AKA BUD · 01-26-07, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ratman

It makes more practical sense more than your blabbering.

May I just say.....You rock Ratman!!!!

miniz · 01-26-07, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA BUD

May I just say.....You rock Ratman!!!!

How's that stolen cable treating you?

AKA BUD · 01-26-07, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by miniz

How's that stolen cable treating you?

Nice try, but that barb won't work on me.....I have Dish Network....and I'm paying for it.

homcom · 01-27-07, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by miniz

How's that stolen cable treating you?

So what exactly do you suggest he do?

-Cancel his cable because the cable company is sending him something for free.
-Get rid of his TV with the QAM tuner because it is picking up "illegal" signals.
-Stop watching any TV what so ever.

QAM tuners are perfectly legal, cable companies know they exist, it is their prerogative to send whatever channels they want to in the clear.

bfoster · 01-27-07, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratman

Oh... so I guess if one informs the provider and the provider takes no action(s), then I should stop watching TV, keep calling and demand that they remove/disconnect/filter/encrypt etc... and wait for them to get around to it? I know of two people that cancelled cable video (retaining HSI) and still get all video........ for over two years.

Get real! All you are required to do is to inform them. That's it. If they don't act upon that then "you" are no longer liable.

Ratman you've gone too far with this one. Watching TV while not paying for it at all is cable theft.

Much different than watching non-scambled digital.

Ratman · 01-27-07, 10:05 AM

I don't believe so. If they do not come to your residence to properly degrade/remove service, what are you supposed to do? Keep calling them?

As an example (analog only):
Say I'm an extended basic cable subscriber with HSI ($100 per month). I contact the provider that I only want "antenna/lifeline" service and HSI ($50 per month). They never do anything. The subscriber is "wrong"?

All one has is a cable feed. Any external methods/devices used to "control" subscribed programming is entirely the provider's responsibility after I make that call.

BTW.... I am NOT one of those individuals that I've referenced.

bfoster · 01-27-07, 10:15 AM

You missed my point!

I said if you're not paying for ANY video, watching it is theft. Paying for basic entitles you to connect the cable to a TV, now it becomes the responsibilty of the cable operator to filter/encrypt!

kaalu1987 · 02-15-07, 11:51 PM

miniz,
i used to be a comcast subscriber but i felt like i was getting ripped off with their ridiculous prices for standard cable. therefore, i called them and told them to cancel my service because i thought i was getting cheated for the price i was paying. they scheduled a cancellation date. nothing was cancelled so i called again to make sure they actually sent someone this time. another appt. date passed, yet no cancellation. i stopped wasting my time and enjoyed the free cable. after a few months, a comcast rep came to our apt. building inspecting units for cable theft and he found my neighbor was doing it but he said i was fine because they saw i had cable and cancelled it and they should have disconnected but did not. it is their ignorance that resulted in my win. i have been getting free cable for nearly three years and everytime they come to inspect, they know i get free cable and they don't seem to give ratsass (no pun intended) about it. so you can keep arguing all you want but you are wrong and you can email or pm me and i will give you my address so you can inform comcast of my "illegal theft"

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HIPER69 New Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1	Olevia 332h Hey Guy's I'm New To This Thread I Was Wondering I Am Running A Reg Cable To The Tv Now I Am Getting Pay Per View Chanels On The Tv's Sub Chanels Is There Any Way To Keep This Going Like For Ever By The Sub Chanels I Mean 90.1 90.2 90.3 And So On Anybody Else Having The Issue

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miniz OFFICAL HOME OF HDTV Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Small Town X, HDTV Land Posts: 2,221	So you are asking if there is anyway that you can continue to keep stealing cable services? A very bright person we have indeed. __________________ "PLEASE HELP STOP HDTV ABUSE! FEED YOUR HDTV AN HD SIGNAL!"

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miniz OFFICAL HOME OF HDTV Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Small Town X, HDTV Land Posts: 2,221	So because the signal is sent unencypted it is OK to steal it??? Let me put that in terms you can understand, that are from your technology time period. If the cable company is sending you an analog signal that you are not paying for, yet is NOT SCAMBLED, you can take it for free without paying for it??? WRONG. That is stealing!!! Unless he is watching duplicated (meaning network) HD broadcasts without paying (which he is not) then he is stealing. __________________ "PLEASE HELP STOP HDTV ABUSE! FEED YOUR HDTV AN HD SIGNAL!"

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miniz OFFICAL HOME OF HDTV Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Small Town X, HDTV Land Posts: 2,221	You didn't read it, did you? Why am I not surprised! __________________ "PLEASE HELP STOP HDTV ABUSE! FEED YOUR HDTV AN HD SIGNAL!"

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Ratman AVS Special Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Collingswood, N.J. Posts: 8,252	For analog cable: If you call to unsubscribe or cancel service(s) and the cableco does not filter/disconnect services, that's on them and not stealing IMO. If you don't call... then yes, that's theft of service. For digital cable channels: Channels that the cableco does not want anyone to receive for "free" are encrypted at the head end. So, if you get them... (without using a illegal device/"black box), apparently they don't care and anyone with a QAM tuner can receive them. Getting VOD unencrypted is quite "normal" in many areas. Although, many times, you only get to watch for a few minutes sometimes since the channel(s) get frequently/dynamically reassigned. Also, you may have to suffer watching someone fast forwarding, rewinding, pausing... etc.

01-24-07, 06:29 PM	#4 \| Link
Ratman AVS Special Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Collingswood, N.J. Posts: 8,252	He's not stealing... it's sent unencypted. It happens in many cable areas. Bright person indeed!

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bfoster AVS Special Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Weeksville, NC Posts: 2,129	Wrong.

01-25-07, 05:34 PM	#11 \| Link
miniz OFFICAL HOME OF HDTV Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Small Town X, HDTV Land Posts: 2,221	thank you for making up your own user policy. __________________ "PLEASE HELP STOP HDTV ABUSE! FEED YOUR HDTV AN HD SIGNAL!"

01-25-07, 05:39 PM	#12 \| Link
Ratman AVS Special Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Collingswood, N.J. Posts: 8,252	It makes more practical sense more than your blabbering.

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miniz OFFICAL HOME OF HDTV Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Small Town X, HDTV Land Posts: 2,221	Too bad the cable company doesn't agree with it. __________________ "PLEASE HELP STOP HDTV ABUSE! FEED YOUR HDTV AN HD SIGNAL!"

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Ratman AVS Special Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Collingswood, N.J. Posts: 8,252	Oh... so I guess if one informs the provider and the provider takes no action(s), then I should stop watching TV, keep calling and demand that they remove/disconnect/filter/encrypt etc... and wait for them to get around to it? I know of two people that cancelled cable video (retaining HSI) and still get all video........ for over two years. Get real! All you are required to do is to inform them. That's it. If they don't act upon that then "you" are no longer liable. As for digital... again, it's on them since it's encrypted at the head end. Every cable subscriber is capable of legally receiving whatever they decide to send 'in the clear'. I think that's the whole point of QAM tuners.

01-27-07, 10:05 AM	#20 \| Link
Ratman AVS Special Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Collingswood, N.J. Posts: 8,252	I don't believe so. If they do not come to your residence to properly degrade/remove service, what are you supposed to do? Keep calling them? As an example (analog only): Say I'm an extended basic cable subscriber with HSI ($100 per month). I contact the provider that I only want "antenna/lifeline" service and HSI ($50 per month). They never do anything. The subscriber is "wrong"? All one has is a cable feed. Any external methods/devices used to "control" subscribed programming is entirely the provider's responsibility after I make that call. BTW.... I am NOT one of those individuals that I've referenced.

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bfoster AVS Special Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Weeksville, NC Posts: 2,129	You missed my point! I said if you're not paying for ANY video, watching it is theft. Paying for basic entitles you to connect the cable to a TV, now it becomes the responsibilty of the cable operator to filter/encrypt!

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kaalu1987 New Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1	miniz, i used to be a comcast subscriber but i felt like i was getting ripped off with their ridiculous prices for standard cable. therefore, i called them and told them to cancel my service because i thought i was getting cheated for the price i was paying. they scheduled a cancellation date. nothing was cancelled so i called again to make sure they actually sent someone this time. another appt. date passed, yet no cancellation. i stopped wasting my time and enjoyed the free cable. after a few months, a comcast rep came to our apt. building inspecting units for cable theft and he found my neighbor was doing it but he said i was fine because they saw i had cable and cancelled it and they should have disconnected but did not. it is their ignorance that resulted in my win. i have been getting free cable for nearly three years and everytime they come to inspect, they know i get free cable and they don't seem to give ratsass (no pun intended) about it. so you can keep arguing all you want but you are wrong and you can email or pm me and i will give you my address so you can inform comcast of my "illegal theft"