International buy TWO Blu-ray discs from Amazon day!

[tindizzle]

The red army is planning an attack against the ever increasing blu army's sales ranking on Amazon. We must fight back! Everyone will buy atleast TWO not one BDs on April 15th (or whatever date the red army has planned). We will be victorious! Who's with me?

[asj2006]

Originally Posted by tindizzle

The red army is planning an attack against the ever increasing blu army's sales ranking on Amazon. We must fight back! Everyone will buy atleast TWO not one BDs on April 15th (or whatever date the red army has planned). We will be victorious! Who's with me?

i think i'll just point and laugh when april 15 comes and hd-dvd still can't get a title consistently in the top dvd rankings.

[DeathStalker2]

Your plan won't work. Because I will post a topic that says "International buy three HD-DVDs from Amazon day!". Yes I know you could simply counter and post "International buy four Blu-Ray discs from Amazon day!". But then I would be clever and post "International buy five HD-DVDs from Amazon day!". Buy that time I'm hoping you will get a clue.

[JE3146]

Originally Posted by DeathStalker2

Your plan won't work. Because I will post a topic that says "International buy three HD-DVDs from Amazon day!". Yes I know you could simply counter and post "International buy four Blu-Ray discs from Amazon day!". But then I would be clever and post "International buy five HD-DVDs from Amazon day!". Buy that time I'm hoping you will get a clue.

Your logic is flawed.... eventually you'll run out of HD-DVD's to buy

[eightninesuited]

Didn't the HD DVD folks try this on a bigger scale during the PS3 launch and still got trounced?

All this rallying is just a sign of desperation and sheds more negative light on HD DVD than it should.

[asj2006]

Originally Posted by JE3146

Your logic is flawed.... eventually you'll run out of HD-DVD's to buy

One can never have enough copies of the Breakfast Club.

[hassoon]

Originally Posted by JE3146

Your logic is flawed.... eventually you'll run out of HD-DVD's to buy

I hereby declare you as the winner of this thread !!!

[JE3146]

Originally Posted by hassoon

I hereby declare you as the winner of this thread !!!

Thankyou thankyou

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by eightninesuited

Didn't the HD DVD folks try this on a bigger scale during the PS3 launch and still got trounced?

All this rallying is just a sign of desperation and sheds more negative light on HD DVD than it should.

IIRC, they kept saying wait until "The Departed" gets released and we know how that turned out .

[plazman]

Originally Posted by JE3146

Your logic is flawed.... eventually you'll run out of HD-DVD's to buy

And Blu Rays as well....I'm not sure what the difference in number of titles that can be played on any given player is, but since HD DVD is region free the number of titles is probably greater than BD. FWIW.

So, you're correct in that there isn't an infinite number of titles, so you'll run out of titles to view - on either format

However, given that there are far more BD players than HD DVD, a buy one campaign will more than double the total sales of BD disks since inception! That's because there are appox. twice as many BD players as movie titles sold. So such a campaign may make sense...

Perhaps the relatively close SI sales for both formats despite a huge difference in hardware in advantage of BD is probably due to some of the coordinated buys. Remember, that NPD said that BD and HD DVD standalone players were around the same. And by when BD launched in June, HD DVD had around 10K players, around a days worth of PS3 supply! So, while we hear about the HD DVD launching months before, BD, we seldom hear that the overall lead in terms of hardware was practically nil....

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by plazman

Perhaps the relatively close SI sales for both formats despite a huge difference in hardware in advantage of BD is probably due to some of the coordinated buys

You guys need to do a poll in the HD DVD forums and decide if you think the PS3:

1-Will not to be used to watch BD movies

2-All will be used for watching BD movies


Several months ago there was endless post proclaiming the PS3 would not be used for watching BD. Now there is endless post that proclaims all PS3 are used for watching BD movies.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Back to Topic: Dances With Wolves and Payback for me around mid April.

[MySassyGirl]

That's too funny. They can buy ALL the HD-DVD they want on that day...doesn't help to combat with millions and counting of Blu-Ray customers out there. It's just another sign that they actually admit of losing the # of sales. LOL

[Elwar]

The thread in the HD-DVD forum is pretty funny, I don't think studios really care whether you buy all your movies on one day or not. A show of support pales in comparison to the actual figures when all is said and done.

I've said it before, but HD-DVD fans are the most devoted (or perhaps devout is more apt?) I've ever seen. A significant number, especially the more vocal, tend to like the companies/format instead of the movies, IMO. Actually believing that HD "deserves" to win.

That said, its not necessarily a bad quality - just a little scary - but you wouldn't see me touting principles as my major motivation to give away hard-earned money to multi-billion dollar corporations.

[scitek]

Originally Posted by Elwar

The thread in the HD-DVD forum is pretty funny, I don't think studios really care whether you buy all your movies on one day or not. A show of support pales in comparison to the actual figures when all is said and done.

I've said it before, but HD-DVD fans are the most devoted (or perhaps devout is more apt?) I've ever seen. A significant number, especially the more vocal, tend to like the companies/format instead of the movies, IMO. Actually believing that HD "deserves" to win.

That said, its not necessarily a bad quality - just a little scary - but you wouldn't see me touting principles as my major motivation to give away hard-earned money to multi-billion dollar corporations.

I don't support Blu-ray partly because of the crummy start it got off to. The utter laziness of the initial releases said to me that they really didn't care enough about the product they were offering to get my money, and that's stuck with me ever since.

To have a format with half the disc space, half the exclusive studio support, and that costs half as much trump you in picture and audio quality at any point in time is completely inexcuseable, in my opinion, and the more expensive format had better have a damn good reason for being more expensive, especially to such a degree.

A second reason is that I don't make a lot of money, so I have to pick and choose what I spend it on, and to this day, I've been more impressed with what I've seen from HD DVD than Blu-ray.

And yet another reason is HD DVD has more movies I want to see. The only ones I'll be missing out on are the Spider-Man movies, but I can't come to terms with paying the money it costs for a new player when I can just pixel-map my Superbit DVDs.

On a side note, is there a 1st gen BD player with analog audio outs? I honestly don't know, but that was another reason I went with the A1.

I hope this post came off as respectful and not trollish. I don't think any of you are idiots or anything for choosing Blu-ray, I just wanted to express that I have my own reasons for not supporting it, and they aren't as pointless as taking an ethical stand against Sony for being a dirty company. I still just haven't been impressed with the format is all.

[DragonStar]

How Sad!

Nothing will surprise me anymore on their desperation.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by scitek

On a side note, is there a 1st gen BD player with analog audio outs? I honestly don't know, but that was another reason I went with the A1.

IIRC, most of the standalone BD players has 6 analog audio output spigots. The Panasonic DMP-BD10 has 8 analog audio output spigots. Also, it can play DVD-Audio disc. For the specifications for the Panasonic DMP-BD10 click here.

[asj2006]

Originally Posted by Elwar

I've said it before, but HD-DVD fans are the most devoted (or perhaps devout is more apt?) I've ever seen. A significant number, especially the more vocal, tend to like the companies/format instead of the movies, IMO. Actually believing that HD "deserves" to win.

That said, its not necessarily a bad quality - just a little scary - but you wouldn't see me touting principles as my major motivation to give away hard-earned money to multi-billion dollar corporations.

I'm still not sure why people should be "devoted" to a company...these are muilti-billion dollar entities who do not care at all about individual purchasers...

as to "loving" the format....i think people should redirect their emotions to something that can actually reciprocate their affection..."loving" a format is not conducive to a stable emotional life.

[tlreddragon]

Originally Posted by asj2006

I'm still not sure why people should be "devoted" to a company...these are muilti-billion dollar entities who do not care at all about individual purchasers...

Yeah...because Enron never hurt YOU personally right? FWIW, I'd rather give my money to a company that puts out a good product at a good price rather than a company that sh*ts on consumers. Remember the rootkit debacle? Oh wait hold on, how about the infamous David Manning? I'm sorry but these actions are unethical at best, and criminal at worst. You can counter by saying companies like Microsoft are no better, but I defy you to list more egregious and offensive examples.

[asj2006]

Originally Posted by tlreddragon

Yeah...because Enron never hurt YOU personally right? FWIW, I'd rather give my money to a company that puts out a good product at a good price rather than a company that sh*ts on consumers. Remember the rootkit debacle? Oh wait hold on, how about the infamous David Manning? I'm sorry but these actions are unethical at best, and criminal at worst. You can counter by saying companies like Microsoft are no better, but I defy you to list more egregious and offensive examples.

LOL...now, this is an easy parry....

Dude, you really have to get out of the CE market sometime and realize that Microsoft and Toshiba have done MUCH worse than Sony ever did....

Microsoft has actually been indicted in court because it has used monopolistic practices to repeatedly crushed competition in various markets (browser, office desktop, desktop os as examples) something which i don't believe sony has done.

Toshiba has even done much worse by endangering the national security of the country!

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In 1987, the company was accused of illegally selling CNC milling machines used to produce very quiet submarine propellers to the Soviet Union in violation of the CoCom agreement. The Toshiba-Kongsberg scandal involved a subsidiary of Toshiba and the Norwegian company Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk. The incident put a strain on relations between the United States and Japan and resulted in the arrest and prosecution of two senior executives, as well as the imposition of sanctions on the company by both countries. The US always relied on the fact that the Soviets had noisy boats. Providing the USSR with technology that would make their subs harder to find and track was, supposedly, a significant threat to America's security. Senator John Heinz, the late former husband of Teresa Heinz-Kerry said "What Toshiba and Kongsberg did was ransom the security of the United States for $517 million."

[DeathStalker2]

Originally Posted by asj2006

LOL...now, this is an easy parry....

Dude, you really have to get out of the CE market sometime and realize that Microsoft and Toshiba have done MUCH worse than Sony ever did....

Microsoft has actually been indicted in court because it has used monopolistic practices to repeatedly crushed competition in various markets (browser, office desktop, desktop os as examples) something which i don't believe sony has done.

Toshiba has even done much worse by endangering the national security of the country!

---------------------------------

In 1987, the company was accused of illegally selling CNC milling machines used to produce very quiet submarine propellers to the Soviet Union in violation of the CoCom agreement. The Toshiba-Kongsberg scandal involved a subsidiary of Toshiba and the Norwegian company Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk. The incident put a strain on relations between the United States and Japan and resulted in the arrest and prosecution of two senior executives, as well as the imposition of sanctions on the company by both countries. The US always relied on the fact that the Soviets had noisy boats. Providing the USSR with technology that would make their subs harder to find and track was, supposedly, a significant threat to America's security. Senator John Heinz, the late former husband of Teresa Heinz-Kerry said "What Toshiba and Kongsberg did was ransom the security of the United States for $517 million."

Your Mom was accused of illegally selling CNC milling machines used to produce very quiet submarine propellers to the Soviet Union in violation of the CoCom agreement.
Ooooooooohhhh FACED!!

[drsiebling]

Originally Posted by tlreddragon

but I defy you to list more egregious and offensive examples.

I defy you! Congratulations, you win the award for the most hoity-toity statement of the week.

[Icemage]

Originally Posted by tlreddragon

Yeah...because Enron never hurt YOU personally right? FWIW, I'd rather give my money to a company that puts out a good product at a good price rather than a company that sh*ts on consumers. Remember the rootkit debacle? Oh wait hold on, how about the infamous David Manning? I'm sorry but these actions are unethical at best, and criminal at worst. You can counter by saying companies like Microsoft are no better, but I defy you to list more egregious and offensive examples.

Microsoft is way worse than Sony is at horrible product quality.

SQL Slammer virus crippled a good chunk of the internet for a few days, including virtually the entire nation of South Korea due to a flaw in Microsoft SQL Server and MSDE. Microsoft knew about this flaw for months but did nothing until someone shoved it in their face and brought the computing power of half the planet to its knees.

Let's not get started on the Xbox 360 Red Circle of Death either. Nothing like issuing a firmware update that turns $400 game consoles into lifeless heaps of metal and plastic.

[tlreddragon]

Originally Posted by asj2006

LOL...now, this is an easy parry....

Dude, you really have to get out of the CE market sometime and realize that Microsoft and Toshiba have done MUCH worse than Sony ever did....

Microsoft has actually been indicted in court because it has used monopolistic practices to repeatedly crushed competition in various markets (browser, office desktop, desktop os as examples) something which i don't believe sony has done.

An easy parry??

ME: "You can counter by saying companies like Microsoft are no better..."

And you did...

But can you provide more concrete examples please?

Toshiba has even done much worse by endangering the national security of the country!

Oh boy! And people wonder why the whole world hates America...

ASJ, you're right. What Toshiba did was sadistic. They made Russian subs invincible and subsequently forced the United States to spend lots of money improving its own technology!! If that's not endangerment of national security I don't know what is.

BTW, did you know that the United States also supplies weapons to enemies of our enemies, thereby endangering the security of countless other nations? As in REAL weapons, not submarine propellers! Look up "Iran-Contra affair". But you're absolutely right, Toshiba totally "ransomed the security" of the United States and put all our lives in danger. Wait...were we even affected at all?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by tlreddragon

You can counter by saying companies like Microsoft are no better, but I defy you to list more egregious and offensive examples.

Just click here for an example. More examples with many links.

[tlreddragon]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just click here for an example. More examples with many links.

Here's the homepage. It might as well be called www.antimspropagandamachine.com, I mean the guy even looks like a clean-cut Richard Stallman. I bet movies like Fahrenheit 9/11 and one-word motivational posters must work very well around where you live.




And just for the record, I'm not pro-Microsoft in any way nor do I particularly like their products. But this is a forum for electronics consumers and as far as I can tell, no one company has done more to sh*t on their own customers than Sony. I'm not talking about companies caring about the general public, I'm talking about them even giving a damn and actually putting out a decent product. I thought I made that clear from the start but I guess not. Say what you will about Microsoft, but they have built one hell of a game console along with a truly excellent online gaming platform in XBOX Live at a reasonable price while still providing halfway decent service. Why would anyone want to support a company that LIES (not misinform) and tells you there will be an ample supply of ps3's, then make you scramble to get your hands on one, and then releases nothing essentially making you play the GT HD demo all day everyday. Oh I forgot, Motorstorm came out this week... That tells me all I need to know about where Sony's priorities are set from a consumer standpoint.

[asj2006]

Originally Posted by tlreddragon

But can you provide more concrete examples please?

Genuine Advantage is Microsoft spyware
http://windowssecrets.com/comp/060615/
Windows Genuine Advantage — the controversial program Microsoft auto-installed as a "critical security update" on many PCs starting on Apr. 25 — not only causes problems for many users but has now been proven to send personally identifiable information back to Redmond every 24 hours.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060630-7171.html
"According to the complaint, "Microsoft effectively installed the WGA software on consumers' systems without providing consumers any opportunity to make an informed choice about that software." Furthermore, Microsoft was accused of "misleading and unlawful conduct in installing uninstallable licensing enforcement software under the guise and misrepresentation of a security update."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft
87 F. Supp. 2d 30 (D.D.C. 2000) was a court case filed against Microsoft Corporation on May 18, 1998 by the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) and twenty U.S. states. Joel I. Klein was the lead prosecutor. The plaintiffs alleged that Microsoft abused monopoly power in its handling of operating system sales and web browser sales.....Judge Jackson issued his findings of fact on November 5, 1999, which stated that Microsoft's dominance of the personal computer operating systems market constituted a monopoly, and that Microsoft had taken actions to crush threats to the monopoly, including Apple, Java, Netscape, Lotus Notes, Real Networks, Linux, and others. Then on April 3, 2000, he issued a two-part ruling: his conclusions of law were that Microsoft had committed monopolization, attempted monopolization, and tying in violation of Sections 1 and 2 of the Sherman Act, and his remedy was that Microsoft must be broken into two separate units, one to produce the operating system, and one to produce other software components.

Originally Posted by tlreddragon

ASJ, you're right. What Toshiba did was sadistic. They made Russian subs invincible and subsequently forced the United States to spend lots of money improving its own technology!! If that's not endangerment of national security I don't know what is

Nice of you to realize selling such technology to the Soviets and endangering the nation's security (and where some executives were actually criminally prosecuted) is hell lot worse than what Sony ever did.

[10th St.]

Originally Posted by tlreddragon

. Why would anyone want to support a company that LIES (not misinform) and tells you there will be an ample supply of ps3's, then make you scramble to get your hands on one, and then releases nothing essentially making you play the GT HD demo all day everyday. Oh I forgot, Motorstorm came out this week... That tells me all I need to know about where Sony's priorities are set from a consumer standpoint.

Until you've headed up a mass roll out of a product that sells in the millions and have to deal with a myriad of supplier issues you have no leg to stand on here.

It's not like Sony is the only company ever to have difficulties initiating a new product. Do you think they wanted to not have ample supply to meet the deman? If so, you you have any basis for this other than pure speculation?

Besides, after the inital problems, Sony was able to quickly get on it. So I had to wait a few weeks - big deal.

And as far as content goes - I've been enjoying my PS3 since the day I bought it by playing video games, enjoyed free on-line play, seen numerous Blu-Ray DVDs, created a slide show that brought my wife to tears, downloaded my CD collection for easy playback and downloaded tons of content for free from the Sony Store. The PS3 gets better every day - it's by far the most satisfactory CE product I've ever bought.

So if you ask me where do I think Sony's priorities are - I don't really care. All I know is - they delivered. Big Time.

[apples]

I had one of the 50" 2005 SXRD televisions that developed a green spot on the screen and Sony replaced it without giving me too much trouble. The new one has never had a problem. They were very nice and helpful too .


Not the case with Microsoft, recently the 360 was featured on the news by the BBC here as a nationally recognized problematic product. Many have speculated that Microsoft actually engineered them to break after the 12 month warranty expired so that consumers would have to buy another to play the games they had collected. Not to mention that Microsoft has been fined millions and millions by the EU for its anti-consumer practices. Another example: the 360 is a closed system where Microsoft controls everything, but the PS3 is open and I will be able to run linux and attach any peripheral I want to.

Can't wait for a PS3 with Casino Royale!

[SoulOnice]

Originally Posted by DragonStar

How Sad!

Nothing will surprise me anymore on their desperation.

Who's desperate? This is for fun and to show support for HD-DVD. What's sad is you disparaging other people to make yourself feel superior.