2007 Samsung LED Owner's Thread (HLT XX87/89S)

Avio · 09-08-07, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Meinken

I would also like the link to the firmware. I have a 5687 and when I called Samsung, I was told that there was no firmware upgrade available. ...

The Samsung tech is wrong. It's true that there are no PUBLIC links to xx87 firmware on Samsung's website.

You should call back and ask for "Level 2" or "Tier 2" Technical Support for the xx87 LED DLP sets. They have a version 1026 of the firmware for xx87.

A link to version 1025 for xx87 was posted in this thread. The host domain of the link contains the word "Philly" in it... If I remember correctly it was "PhillyHomicide."

Good Luck. Avio

wdreamsmaycome · 09-08-07, 12:58 PM

has anybody managed to get a real 1:1 mapping on their sets? As much as I thought that 'just scan' meant 1:1, there is still a significant amount of overscan happening (seen very easily by using the 'adjust the image location' in the menu, I can move the image around quite a bit, which I shouldn't be able to do at all if this was a real 1:1 mapping of the 1920x1080 signal)

Or is this a case that 'just scan' does a 1:1 mapping on the dlp chip BUT the optics will always create a little bit of overscan by design?

milnescott · 09-08-07, 02:24 PM

Hi, Does anybody know where to get the best deal on this tv(HLT 5687) in Toronto. I know futureshop,thebrick and bestbuy are all 2500 but just was wondering if anybody found one cheaper.
thanks
scott

Lou Sytsma · 09-08-07, 04:40 PM

Close to buying one of these sets but am still concerned about the black levels. What do current owners think? Are dark movies problematic?

hansangb · 09-08-07, 06:01 PM

Hmm, I'm trying to narrow down my purchases and need some help. I've narrowed it down to HL-T6189S, HL-T6187S or HL-T6756W. 89 and 87 model seems to be similar with the exception of number of tuners. But is it true that it has no component cable inputs? That may be a deal breaker with all the HDCP problems.

Also, I guess the 87/9 models are LED based and 56 is lamp based? Is that all there is to the difference? thanks

what_hdtv · 09-08-07, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hansangb

Hmm, I'm trying to narrow down my purchases and need some help. I've narrowed it down to HL-T6189S, HL-T6187S or HL-T6756W. 89 and 87 model seems to be similar with the exception of number of tuners. But is it true that it has no component cable inputs? That may be a deal breaker with all the HDCP problems.

Number of tuners? Well the 89/87 both only have one tuner, does the 56 have more than one?

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Originally Posted by hansangb

Also, I guess the 87/9 models are LED based and 56 is lamp based? Is that all there is to the difference? thanks

The 87/89 are indeed led based. I know nothing about the 56.

I ordered a hl-t6189s a little over a week ago, and mine should be arriving on Friday. So excited, it will be about 8 times the area as my current (sd) television. My setup will be basic to begin with, a standard dvd player, no surround, but I will have HD programming from satellite. I just bought the tripp lite ht7300pc power conditioner to protect my investment, and some of the $29 (10 foot) hdmi cables from monoprice. I use the vip722 dvr, and it is interesting, the hd programming on my sd tv looks noticeably better than the sd programming on the sd tv, so I can only imagine how the hd pgm plus hd tv will look!

Also, my public library carries dvd international's dve disc so I've got that ready and waiting for this Friday when the new tv comes in..

Avio · 09-08-07, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hansangb

... 89 and 87 model seems to be similar with the exception of number of tuners. But is it true that it has no component cable inputs? That may be a deal breaker with all the HDCP problems.

Also, I guess the 87/9 models are LED based and 56 is lamp based? Is that all there is to the difference? thanks

The 89 has 1 ATSC/NTSC/QAM tuner with PIP. The 87 has 1 ATSC/NTSC/QAM tuner with no PIP.

My HL-T5689S has component cable input and I'm presently using it. I'm 99% sure that the xx87 series has component too.

HDCP problems? Don't all devices with HDMI have copy protection and DMR "problems." I don't think the 87 and 89 have any special HDMI or HDCP problems.

There are big differences with LED based vs. lamp based. There are so many advantages with LED I don't have the time to list them here. I suggest a Google search into: Review Samsung DLP LED HDTV. There are many good reviews that list the advantages of the new LED technology. Also check CNET for reviews.

Avio

new to hd · 09-08-07, 07:55 PM

ok...I am so frustrated I am ready to scream. I took a deep breath (or 60!) and did a search and found this forum. I hope someone can help me understand what is going on.
Our old tv hit the skids so we went looking for a dlp in the 56 inch size. I was ready to get the hlt5687, but when we got to the store (ken cranes) they only had the newer model the 89. Even in the store the picture looked pixelated compared to the 61 inch, but I digress...

Got home and went to TWCable to get the hddvr box (motorola dct 3416) At first I had the dct6416, but they changed it when I called saying the tv was pixelated...it didn't help). Bought an hdmi cable. They came and hooked up the tv. We set the colors how we liked them...

The hd channels are much better than the others of course, but even on the hd channels the numbers look pixelated. Mostly it's easy to see on a weather cast on the news. We also see what I call "vegas lights" around the weatherman. I turned OFF dnie, OFF edge enhancement...

When i look at the other settings, it says (info) 1920x1080i@60hz.
it says hdmi input as cable stb, but when I change it to hdcable, it doesn't change the crappy image.

Now, the cable company says it's the tv of course and I just had the samsung service guy come today and he says it's the signal coming to the tv.

I am tempted to believe him since the outdoor channel is worse than any other channel on the tv so it has to be the signal, right???

We have until Tuesday to exchange this tv. I just don't know what to do other than going and getting the 61 inch just to see if the pic is just as bad. Is that even worth my time?
Is there anything I can do (should i switch to a dish satellite vs cable?) I am so confused and I don't know what to do......I feel like I can't get a straight answer from anybody. All I know is that the pixelation sucks and I'd rather watch my sanyo tv from 15 years ago...at least THAT picture is crystal clear!
I keep hearing how awesome the picture is on these sets in general, but I am not seeing it. Is it me? Is it my tv? Did I get a lemon? Is it TWcable?

Lou Sytsma · 09-08-07, 07:55 PM

...and what about the black levels? Reviews mention them as a weakness...

talbain · 09-08-07, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou Sytsma

...and what about the black levels? Reviews mention them as a weakness...

no, REVIEW (singular) mentioned this as a weakness. one person. another official review declared black levels to be outstanding. the vast majority of owners here would agree with that second review...

personally i say my 5689 outputs a black level on par with the best plasmas i've seen outside of the kuros...

talbain · 09-08-07, 08:48 PM

ps3 owners:

what bd video format do you have selected in the ps3 menu? rgb or y pb/cb pr/cr?

which setting is best and why? i'm using the srgb colorspace in the 5689...

also, in the display settings, are we using rgb full or rgb limited

finally, are we using super white output for y pb/cb pr/cr or not?

thanks...

joe221 · 09-08-07, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by new to hd

ok...I am so frustrated I am ready to scream. I took a deep breath (or 60!) and did a search and found this forum. I hope someone can help me understand what is going on.
Our old tv hit the skids so we went looking for a dlp in the 56 inch size. I was ready to get the hlt5687, but when we got to the store (ken cranes) they only had the newer model the 89. Even in the store the picture looked pixelated compared to the 61 inch, but I digress...

>>First welcome to AVS you found the right place. Second the "89" is not newer it it the top of the line and that's mostly what Ken Crane's carries, ie Diamond from Mitsubishi and XBR from Sony. There are exceptions but mostly the top. As good a set up as KC has some TVs may not be set up well thus a less than stellar picture. I saw a 6189S at the Pico Blvd. store that if it was the only example I'd seen, I'd be looking at other sets.
Got home and went to TWCable to get the hddvr box (motorola dct 3416) At first I had the dct6416, but they changed it when I called saying the tv was pixelated...it didn't help). Bought an hdmi cable. They came and hooked up the tv. We set the colors how we liked them...

>>I wouldn't try setting colors right now. Just get the set into "Movie" mode and start there. Are any cable other than HDMI coming from the DVR to the TV now? It for now should only be HDMI. Keep it simple.

The hd channels are much better than the others of course, but even on the hd channels the numbers look pixelated. Mostly it's easy to see on a weather cast on the news. We also see what I call "vegas lights" around the weatherman. I turned OFF dnie, OFF edge enhancement...

>>When you're on a HD channel (in the 400's on TWC) is the news you're watching in HD? In LA where I assume you are 2,7,9 and maybe 5. for the record standard def content looks crappy on all HD sets, just a fact. Some make them less cappy but it's just not stellar. Almost anything on Discovery HDT (446) should look stellar, a good channel to test your picture.

When i look at the other settings, it says (info) 1920x1080i@60hz.
it says hdmi input as cable stb, but when I change it to hdcable, it doesn't change the crappy image.

>>>Next check your cable box, it may be the Wiz installer didn't set it right. With the TV on from the cable box turn off the power. Then turn it on by pressing MENU from the DVR face. This should give you the service menu of the DVR. Using the up and down and left and right arrows, check that you have 1080i set on the upper choice. If it says 480i or p there's a problem. Use the arrows to change it. The top choice should be 16:9 then HDMI 1080i then 4:3 Override 480i. Press Power twice to go back to normal.

Now, the cable company says it's the tv of course and I just had the samsung service guy come today and he says it's the signal coming to the tv.

I am tempted to believe him since the outdoor channel is worse than any other channel on the tv so it has to be the signal, right???

>>>What "outdoor channel"? Do you mean over the air broadcast HD?

We have until Tuesday to exchange this tv. I just don't know what to do other than going and getting the 61 inch just to see if the pic is just as bad. Is that even worth my time?
Is there anything I can do (should i switch to a dish satellite vs cable?) I am so confused and I don't know what to do......I feel like I can't get a straight answer from anybody. All I know is that the pixelation sucks and I'd rather watch my sanyo tv from 15 years ago...at least THAT picture is crystal clear!
I keep hearing how awesome the picture is on these sets in general, but I am not seeing it. Is it me? Is it my tv? Did I get a lemon? Is it TWcable?

>>> If the set is truly bad then exchange it, you seem to have none of the normal problems reported here, though.
I'm on TWC and my service is very good at least (not counting basic TWC incompetence).

Blasst · 09-08-07, 09:42 PM

All good points by Joe.

new to hd: Have you used a dvd player yet? Results?

Or HDDVD or Blu-ray?

I must say that TW could really step up the picture they are providing on the HD channels.

The compression that is going on is unacceptable imho, on hdnet movies, and even Discovery.

The problem you may be having is the "blocking" going on. Can you take some shots and show us?

new to hd · 09-08-07, 09:48 PM

Joe, thanks for the detailed answer. I will go try that with the cable box now and see if that helps.

To answer your questions, just the hdmi is coming out of the cable box, nothing else...

I have it sent in standard mode, but movie mode is what we use when we watch dvd's (the color is more accurate)

Yes, the news is in hd...channel 407 this morning.

Outdoor channel is channel 268 here in Los Angeles (my husband is a bass fisherman!)

Blasst, we have a dvd player from 2005 and the picture isn't too bad.

BLOCKING sounds like what we seem to be experiencing...like the words are made from lego's??

I will try and take a picture of it from my camera, but I don't know if it would be obvious that way...

htwaits · 09-08-07, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by new to hd

Is it me? Is it my tv? Did I get a lemon? Is it TWcable?

Maybe all of the above.

Call your dealer and tell them that if they will extend the time you have to make up your mind, then you won't return the set right away.

After that start working on things one at a time. For instance, readers can't tell if you are watching SD or HD TV. For instance, I've never seen a HD news program. Also, some HD channels broadcast SD material at times.

What you need is some time to learn about your set. As it is now, you have only allowed yourself a couple of days. That's not enough.

Joe221 has given you some ideas you can use to get started.

Good luck.

new to hd · 09-08-07, 10:02 PM

ok...cable box was set at 16:9, 1080i with 4:3 override off...

when looking at the service menu, the letters looked like lego's....just what we notice when watching tv.

htwaits, I am sure you are right that I have not had enough time to figure this tv out (but 30 days and a few hours of playing I thought would be enough!) I know people who have this tv in a larger version (the 61 inch) that are extremely happy, but they don't live in my area and I *think* they have dish...

as far as the hd news program, channel 7 will say "and now the news in hd..." or some such thing...but I do agree that they use sd...I have seen the picture quality change during commercials.

I am just trying to figure out if this lego effect to the numbers and the overall picture (I see it around the eyes and skin) is normal to the tv, or if it's abnormal to the tv or if it's a cable company issue cuz I know I am not getting a straight answer from the samsung tech OR the cable company.

When I turn the tv to the dvd source and the blue dvd picture thing comes up that too seems legoish...

joe221 · 09-08-07, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htwaits

Maybe all of the above.

Call your dealer and tell them that if they will extend the time you have to make up your mind, then you won't return the set right away.

After that start working on things one at a time. For instance, readers can't tell if you are watching SD or HD TV. For instance, I've never seen a HD news program. Also, some HD channels broadcast SD material at times.

What you need is some time to learn about your set. As it is now, you have only allowed yourself a couple of days. That's not enough.

Joe221 has given you some ideas you can use to get started.

Good luck.

Great idea about calling the dealer. If they won't extend don't get stuck incase it is a lemon.
In Los Angeles we have local CBS, ABC two independents and national NBC news in HD!

Some even do remote reporting and helicopters in HD!!

and thanks!

new to hd · 09-08-07, 10:17 PM

Joe, I just turned to Discovery HD theater (it's 416 here) and I noticed something interesting...
when the picture pans (as if they are using a camcorder and panning?) the tv pixelated then got clear, pixelated then got clear. They were showing english gardens and tall trees and at first the trees looked pale green then it would turn into a nice clear picture.... if the picture didn't move it was perfectly clear and wonderful....although once it went back to the chap speaking and his face pixelated for a moment and changed color. And one scene changed and the picture pixelated EXTREMELY before showing the correct picture.

I must guess that it must be the cable then, no?

markm75 · 09-08-07, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by markm75

Here are the test images I used.. all but the ramp are 1920x1080:

http://remotelypossible.info/images/...erns/white.jpg
http://remotelypossible.info/images/...s/overscan.jpg
http://remotelypossible.info/images/...s/testramp.jpg
http://remotelypossible.info/images/...terns/grid.jpg

Right click the image.. Save Target as.. to save locally, full size and all.

Here is one more image.. black:
http://remotelypossible.info/images/...erns/black.jpg

Also.. for all those needing the firmware.. i've placed two zip files out here:

If this is against forum rules let me know and i'll edit this line to say, pm me for the links:
http://remotelypossible.info/images/firmware/1025.zip
http://remotelypossible.info/images/firmware/1026.zip

Lou Sytsma · 09-08-07, 11:39 PM

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no, REVIEW (singular) mentioned this as a weakness. one person. another official review declared black levels to be outstanding. the vast majority of owners here would agree with that second review...

personally i say my 5689 outputs a black level on par with the best plasmas i've seen outside of the kuros...

Thanks for your reply.

markm75 · 09-09-07, 12:12 AM

I saw someones post on the sony a3000 thread, talking about Fast and Furious Tokyo version on BluRay.. the Pans of wheels and cars were very smooth etc.. perhaps this flick would be a good tester for the motion on the Samsung (in my case 6187S)...

Anyone happen to have the BluRay of this movie and can test it and see how smooth it is on the Sammy?

blazeblaze · 09-09-07, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by talbain

personally i say my 5689 outputs a black level on par with the best plasmas i've seen outside of the kuros...

I think my HL-T5689S black levels are awesome too.

bradylackey · 09-09-07, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by new to hd

ok...I am so frustrated I am ready to scream. I took a deep breath (or 60!) and did a search and found this forum. I hope someone can help me understand what is going on.
Our old tv hit the skids so we went looking for a dlp in the 56 inch size. I was ready to get the hlt5687, but when we got to the store (ken cranes) they only had the newer model the 89. Even in the store the picture looked pixelated compared to the 61 inch, but I digress...

Got home and went to TWCable to get the hddvr box (motorola dct 3416) At first I had the dct6416, but they changed it when I called saying the tv was pixelated...it didn't help). Bought an hdmi cable. They came and hooked up the tv. We set the colors how we liked them...

The hd channels are much better than the others of course, but even on the hd channels the numbers look pixelated. Mostly it's easy to see on a weather cast on the news. We also see what I call "vegas lights" around the weatherman. I turned OFF dnie, OFF edge enhancement...

When i look at the other settings, it says (info) 1920x1080i@60hz.
it says hdmi input as cable stb, but when I change it to hdcable, it doesn't change the crappy image.

Now, the cable company says it's the tv of course and I just had the samsung service guy come today and he says it's the signal coming to the tv.

I am tempted to believe him since the outdoor channel is worse than any other channel on the tv so it has to be the signal, right???

We have until Tuesday to exchange this tv. I just don't know what to do other than going and getting the 61 inch just to see if the pic is just as bad. Is that even worth my time?
Is there anything I can do (should i switch to a dish satellite vs cable?) I am so confused and I don't know what to do......I feel like I can't get a straight answer from anybody. All I know is that the pixelation sucks and I'd rather watch my sanyo tv from 15 years ago...at least THAT picture is crystal clear!
I keep hearing how awesome the picture is on these sets in general, but I am not seeing it. Is it me? Is it my tv? Did I get a lemon? Is it TWcable?

I know I have already said this. Try an antenna and get the best picture possible, uncompressed, and free. I have the HLT6189s and have only seen pixelization a couple of times on NBC HD. My DVD's through an HDMI with the Denon 1930ci set to 1080p never shows pixels and looks HD. My satelite through an S-Video looks very good and no pixels.

Z07VETTE · 09-09-07, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by milnescott

Hi, Does anybody know where to get the best deal on this tv(HLT 5687) in Toronto. I know futureshop,thebrick and bestbuy are all 2500 but just was wondering if anybody found one cheaper.
thanks
scott

2001 Audio/video on Dundas West in Mississauga. Ask for Garnett Gift and tell him Jim with the 61"Led DLP Samsung sent you. The other guys in there are idiots so make sure Garnett is there. He got me a price lower than a freind of mine could with his employee discount and he was great when I had some issues with last years model which he helped me exchange for this years LED version through warranty.

motorheadache · 09-09-07, 03:38 AM

Dark movies are problematic on this set. I really don't know what everyone else is talking about. I had an older cheap Philips 34" HD CRT set, and while everything else looks way better on the Samsung, my cheap old Philips set kicked the crap out of it on black levels with dark movies like Batman Begins, Alien, and Underworld.
The way to get past this is reducing the light output by closing the Aperture in the service menu, but these models have a bug that does not save your changes after turning off the set. So what you have to do is get either a learning remote or an expensive Harmony remote and get the codes to enter and exit the service menu at will with the set on. Whenever I watch something at night when the lights go off, I just quickly go in, close the aperture, then exit and bam!- problem solved. But with full light output, this set really disappointed me out of the box.

barry728 · 09-09-07, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by vsv

Info about 3D capability:

New in DLP microdisplay is a 3D image system co-developed with Texas Instruments, DDD USA and I-O Display Systems.
The capability is built into all of Samsung’s DLP sets, and can be made to produce 3D images with the addition of an emitter and special glasses.

The system, which is billed by Samsung as the first affordable 3D high definition system, uses PC-based software (developed by DDD USA) and specially developed 3D glasses equipped with LCD shutters (developed by I-O Display Systems). The software will playback PC video games, movies and web sites in 3D using a connected Samsung DLP TV, and will convert many 2D images to 3D as well.

A package including the software, emitter and glasses will be sold for about $200. Samsung is looking at bundling the system with TVs.

This sounds very exciting to me. I have perused this thread but have not seen anyone discuss seeing this. Has anyone? Does anyone know where this could be seen in southern California?

htwaits · 09-09-07, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by new to hd

when looking at the service menu, the letters looked like lego's....just what we notice when watching tv.

The service menu can be a dangerous place for the inexperienced! The menus are not in HD, but I've never seen what you are describing. I have an older set.

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htwaits, I am sure you are right that I have not had enough time to figure this TV out (but 30 days and a few hours of playing I thought would be enough!)

I was referring to seeking help on Saturday when your deadline is Tuesday.

That's why I suggested that your dealer might rather give you an extension in writing to avoid having you ask for a replacement or refund. If they refuse, I would get the refund and shop somewhere else. I don't think they will.

Don't go for a repair option at this point.

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I know people who have this TV in a larger version (the 61 inch) that are extremely happy, but they don't live in my area and I *think* they have dish...

For the same model TV (HL-Txx89 in this case), PQ always decreases as the screen gets bigger That's just a fact of life or Physics.

Dish and DirecTV use much more compression than most cable services, but I suppose that there can be exceptions. There is also the possibility that you have a weak signal coming into your house, or that you are having some degradation inside your house. Every cable connection for splitters or for other reasons can degrade a signal.

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as far as the hd news program, channel 7 will say "and now the news in hd..." or some such thing...but I do agree that they use sd...I have seen the picture quality change during commercials.

There might even be some HD evening news in the Bay Area now.

I guess you now know that I haven't been watching the news.

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I am just trying to figure out if this Lego effect to the numbers and the overall picture (I see it around the eyes and skin) is normal to the TV, or if it's abnormal to the TV or if it's a cable company issue cuz I know I am not getting a straight answer from the Samsung tech OR the cable company.

When I turn the TV to the DVD source and the blue DVD picture thing comes up that too seems legoish...

By "Lego" do you mean that there are clear blocks of color where there should be a smooth transition from one shade to another?

The most common reason for that kind of image is a poor signal. One thing you might do is tell us what DVD player you are using, and how it is connected to your TV. It would also be good if you could try one of the DVDs that is known to have an outstanding transfer. The SD Superbit version of "The Fifth Element" is an old standby that many people are familiar with.

There is another long shot possibility. Is there an electric motor on the same circuit that you TV is on -- appliances of any kind?

htwaits · 09-09-07, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by new to hd

Joe, I just turned to Discovery HD theater (it's 416 here) and I noticed something interesting...
when the picture pans (as if they are using a camcorder and panning?) the tv pixelated then got clear, pixelated then got clear. They were showing english gardens and tall trees and at first the trees looked pale green then it would turn into a nice clear picture.... if the picture didn't move it was perfectly clear and wonderful....although once it went back to the chap speaking and his face pixelated for a moment and changed color. And one scene changed and the picture pixelated EXTREMELY before showing the correct picture.

I must guess that it must be the cable then, no?

Yes. That's what excessive compression or a weak signal will do. If you have more time you can have the cable company test your signal strength.

htwaits · 09-09-07, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bradylackey

My satelite through an S-Video looks very good and no pixels.

You don't say, but I assume your satelite service isn't HD if you are using a SD analog (S-Video) connection.

htwaits · 09-09-07, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by motorheadache

Dark movies are problematic on this set. I really don't know what everyone else is talking about. I had an older cheap Philips 34" HD CRT set, and while everything else looks way better on the Samsung, my cheap old Philips set kicked the crap out of it on black levels with dark movies like Batman Begins, Alien, and Underworld.

By definition, 34" HD direct view CRT sets have better black levels than just about any other technology.

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So what you have to do is get either a learning remote or an expensive Harmony remote and get the codes to enter and exit the service menu at will with the set on.

Does that cause your Picture User Controls to revert to their default values?

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Whenever I watch something at night when the lights go off, I just quickly go in, close the aperture, then exit and bam!- problem solved. But with full light output, this set really disappointed me out of the box.

Using a bias light in a dark room can relieve eye strain, and also improve perceived black levels.

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hansangb AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,250	Hmm, I'm trying to narrow down my purchases and need some help. I've narrowed it down to HL-T6189S, HL-T6187S or HL-T6756W. 89 and 87 model seems to be similar with the exception of number of tuners. But is it true that it has no component cable inputs? That may be a deal breaker with all the HDCP problems. Also, I guess the 87/9 models are LED based and 56 is lamp based? Is that all there is to the difference? thanks __________________ Thanks, Hansang

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new to hd New Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7	I hope someone can help me... ok...I am so frustrated I am ready to scream. I took a deep breath (or 60!) and did a search and found this forum. I hope someone can help me understand what is going on. Our old tv hit the skids so we went looking for a dlp in the 56 inch size. I was ready to get the hlt5687, but when we got to the store (ken cranes) they only had the newer model the 89. Even in the store the picture looked pixelated compared to the 61 inch, but I digress... Got home and went to TWCable to get the hddvr box (motorola dct 3416) At first I had the dct6416, but they changed it when I called saying the tv was pixelated...it didn't help). Bought an hdmi cable. They came and hooked up the tv. We set the colors how we liked them... The hd channels are much better than the others of course, but even on the hd channels the numbers look pixelated. Mostly it's easy to see on a weather cast on the news. We also see what I call "vegas lights" around the weatherman. I turned OFF dnie, OFF edge enhancement... When i look at the other settings, it says (info) 1920x1080i@60hz. it says hdmi input as cable stb, but when I change it to hdcable, it doesn't change the crappy image. Now, the cable company says it's the tv of course and I just had the samsung service guy come today and he says it's the signal coming to the tv. I am tempted to believe him since the outdoor channel is worse than any other channel on the tv so it has to be the signal, right??? We have until Tuesday to exchange this tv. I just don't know what to do other than going and getting the 61 inch just to see if the pic is just as bad. Is that even worth my time? Is there anything I can do (should i switch to a dish satellite vs cable?) I am so confused and I don't know what to do......I feel like I can't get a straight answer from anybody. All I know is that the pixelation sucks and I'd rather watch my sanyo tv from 15 years ago...at least THAT picture is crystal clear! I keep hearing how awesome the picture is on these sets in general, but I am not seeing it. Is it me? Is it my tv? Did I get a lemon? Is it TWcable? Last edited by new to hd; 09-08-07 at 07:55 PM.. Reason: an extra word..

09-08-07, 07:55 PM	#5709 \| Link
Lou Sytsma Advanced Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ajax Posts: 848	...and what about the black levels? Reviews mention them as a weakness... __________________ Every man is my superior, in that I may learn from him.

09-08-07, 12:58 PM	#5702 \| Link
wdreamsmaycome Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 145	has anybody managed to get a real 1:1 mapping on their sets? As much as I thought that 'just scan' meant 1:1, there is still a significant amount of overscan happening (seen very easily by using the 'adjust the image location' in the menu, I can move the image around quite a bit, which I shouldn't be able to do at all if this was a real 1:1 mapping of the 1920x1080 signal) Or is this a case that 'just scan' does a 1:1 mapping on the dlp chip BUT the optics will always create a little bit of overscan by design?

09-08-07, 08:48 PM	#5711 \| Link
talbain AVS Special Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,976	ps3 owners: what bd video format do you have selected in the ps3 menu? rgb or y pb/cb pr/cr? which setting is best and why? i'm using the srgb colorspace in the 5689... also, in the display settings, are we using rgb full or rgb limited finally, are we using super white output for y pb/cb pr/cr or not? thanks... __________________ ---Mr. Met--- J-E-T-S-JETS JETS JETS!!!!!!! --- LETS GO DE-VILS!!!!!!! --- LETS GO METS!!!!!!! --- LETS GO NETS!!!!!!!

09-08-07, 09:42 PM	#5713 \| Link
Blasst AVS Special Member AVS CLUB MEMBER Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: So.Cal Posts: 2,741 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	All good points by Joe. new to hd: Have you used a dvd player yet? Results? Or HDDVD or Blu-ray? I must say that TW could really step up the picture they are providing on the HD channels. The compression that is going on is unacceptable imho, on hdnet movies, and even Discovery. The problem you may be having is the "blocking" going on. Can you take some shots and show us?

09-08-07, 09:48 PM	#5714 \| Link
new to hd New Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7	Joe, thanks for the detailed answer. I will go try that with the cable box now and see if that helps. To answer your questions, just the hdmi is coming out of the cable box, nothing else... I have it sent in standard mode, but movie mode is what we use when we watch dvd's (the color is more accurate) Yes, the news is in hd...channel 407 this morning. Outdoor channel is channel 268 here in Los Angeles (my husband is a bass fisherman!) Blasst, we have a dvd player from 2005 and the picture isn't too bad. BLOCKING sounds like what we seem to be experiencing...like the words are made from lego's?? I will try and take a picture of it from my camera, but I don't know if it would be obvious that way...

09-08-07, 10:02 PM	#5716 \| Link
new to hd New Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7	ok...cable box was set at 16:9, 1080i with 4:3 override off... when looking at the service menu, the letters looked like lego's....just what we notice when watching tv. htwaits, I am sure you are right that I have not had enough time to figure this tv out (but 30 days and a few hours of playing I thought would be enough!) I know people who have this tv in a larger version (the 61 inch) that are extremely happy, but they don't live in my area and I think they have dish... as far as the hd news program, channel 7 will say "and now the news in hd..." or some such thing...but I do agree that they use sd...I have seen the picture quality change during commercials. I am just trying to figure out if this lego effect to the numbers and the overall picture (I see it around the eyes and skin) is normal to the tv, or if it's abnormal to the tv or if it's a cable company issue cuz I know I am not getting a straight answer from the samsung tech OR the cable company. When I turn the tv to the dvd source and the blue dvd picture thing comes up that too seems legoish...

09-08-07, 10:17 PM	#5718 \| Link
new to hd New Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7	Joe, I just turned to Discovery HD theater (it's 416 here) and I noticed something interesting... when the picture pans (as if they are using a camcorder and panning?) the tv pixelated then got clear, pixelated then got clear. They were showing english gardens and tall trees and at first the trees looked pale green then it would turn into a nice clear picture.... if the picture didn't move it was perfectly clear and wonderful....although once it went back to the chap speaking and his face pixelated for a moment and changed color. And one scene changed and the picture pixelated EXTREMELY before showing the correct picture. I must guess that it must be the cable then, no?

09-09-07, 12:12 AM	#5721 \| Link
markm75 AVS Special Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 1,269	I saw someones post on the sony a3000 thread, talking about Fast and Furious Tokyo version on BluRay.. the Pans of wheels and cars were very smooth etc.. perhaps this flick would be a good tester for the motion on the Samsung (in my case 6187S)... Anyone happen to have the BluRay of this movie and can test it and see how smooth it is on the Sammy?

09-09-07, 03:38 AM	#5725 \| Link
motorheadache Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 20	Dark movies are problematic on this set. I really don't know what everyone else is talking about. I had an older cheap Philips 34" HD CRT set, and while everything else looks way better on the Samsung, my cheap old Philips set kicked the crap out of it on black levels with dark movies like Batman Begins, Alien, and Underworld. The way to get past this is reducing the light output by closing the Aperture in the service menu, but these models have a bug that does not save your changes after turning off the set. So what you have to do is get either a learning remote or an expensive Harmony remote and get the codes to enter and exit the service menu at will with the set on. Whenever I watch something at night when the lights go off, I just quickly go in, close the aperture, then exit and bam!- problem solved. But with full light output, this set really disappointed me out of the box.