Official Sharp Aquos 46D82U/52D82U owners thread!

Raven476 · 04-06-07, 01:06 AM

After over a year, yes a YEAR of hardcore research I have just made my living room LCD TC purchase(have a Samsung LN-S2641D for the bedroom). And man is it AMAZING!

I was originally going to get the 42D72U, but Future Shop was taking too long to get them in and this one was on display. I have been watching Sharp's sepcial demo video for almost 6 months now on just about every Shap TV available and this one was the only TV that could display is Flawlessly. No bands (visible anyways) and no motion blur AT ALL! The 46D62U's had some noticable bands and motion blur even with the 4MS response but for the first time ever I was looking at a TV that my incredible eye sight could not find any flaws with.

So I had to do it, I had to buy that TV right then and there. It was pretty pricy (especially since I didn't want to 46' I only wanted 42' max but oh well), but living in Canada it's hard to get good deals since most online retailers don't ship to Canada. But I pulled the triger and took my baby home to play a game of Bandin Roulette.

Damn does it look fine, I have not seen any bands or clouding yet. I have not looked in the service menue, nor do I intend to. If I can't see it in normal viewing it's good enough for me. I was especially looking for it on the Xbox 360 dashboard and the white smokey scenes of Lost planet but still couldn't see anything. And the motion handeling on this thing is Amazing!

The thing that blew me away the most was that it seems like it outputs 1080P over component. I set my Xbox to 1080P and when I check the signal on the TV it says it's receiving a 1080P feed. Cool! I heard of the Samsung LNT's doing this as well and I'm glad the 82U's decided to go with this.

All in all I couldn't be happier with my set. I have spent SOOOOO much time at stores looking at TV's and SOOOO much time researching, it's nice to actually have one and be happy with it. I really think this is the best picture quality out there. Sure the Samsungs have 15,000 contrast but they just can't handel motion. Sure we can enable game mode but it still doesn't bring the response time up to what Sharp can handel and it drastically reduces contrast. The 92U's have the higher contrast as well but are alot more expensive and have alot to technical issues.

I don't have a digital camera so I can't post any pics but the GF has one so I'll try to get her to bring one over next time. Great set, can't say that enough!

BTW model number is 703.

dad1153 · 04-06-07, 01:31 AM

Congratulations Raven, hope you and your set have a longer and more lasting loving relationship than between you and the GF (keep her camera though

). I looked the at the D62/D92 Sharps long and hard, but the disappointment these sets turned out to be (because of the dreaded "b" word) sent me straight into the loving arms of an Olevia 747i 1080p LCD. We've been together for a month now and there's no separating us. I also spent an entire year shopping, learning, wishing, cursing, etc. this whole HDTV process. It's time we both retire from bitching an onto our own private slices of HD heaven. Gotta go check my HD-DVR recording of the Masters, bye!

r1dude57 · 04-11-07, 03:46 PM

You lucky Dawg!!! I have been thinking of getting this tv too. I also didn't want to go over 40-42" but was presented with a deal I almost can't refuse. The tvs in stock were 703 serial numbers also. Will this tv 1:1 through HDMI with a PC? My monitor is frying out and am going to use this as a temporary monitor. So I am interested if it will work with a DVI to HDMI cable. Congrats on your new purchase. I am on a 3 week vacation right now and WILL be buying a tv in the meantime to use with the new 360 Elite and possibly a PS3. God I love tax refund time!

r1dude57 · 04-11-07, 03:48 PM

Oh, does the fact that the serial numbers are in the 703's mean that my chances of getting a band-free set are better than lets say, a 702 series?

Raven476 · 04-11-07, 05:12 PM

Theoretically 703's have less chance of defects because it is a later production model. Don't worry about the size, I only wanted a 40' 42' but you can't get TV's this good at those sizes and I ajusted to the 46' quite well. And with movies you still have those black bars at the top of the screen for 2.35:1 content so it makes it look smaller too. Still haven't seen any banding yet, I'm sure it's there I just can't make it out. The TV does have a Dot by Dot setting on it (Not sure if that's what you meant by 1:1).

r1dude57 · 04-11-07, 05:32 PM

I think you have answered my question. Yes, dot by dot would be 1:1 pixel mapping. So this dot by dot is available on the HDMI inputs eh? I may pull the plug on this tv in the next couple of days, and I am just hoping that I can get it to work with my older Radeon 9700Pro graphics card, which has a DVI out. Have you tried any source device that would require a DVI to HDMI adapter?

Raven476 · 04-11-07, 05:44 PM

I can get Dot By Dot froma component connection so I'm sure it will be available through HDMI as well. I just bought a cabel box yesterday and a DVI to HDMI cabel as well. I will be abel to tell you if you can get Dot by Dot on that connection tomorow when the cabel guy comes to set everything up.

r1dude57 · 04-11-07, 07:58 PM

Your input is greatly appreciated. I'm going to BB tomorrow to compare side by side with the 4665, and I still got a few days or so to decide. I think it has finally come down to these two sets, but it has taken forever to find a set you'll be happy with these days.

Raven476 · 04-12-07, 11:30 AM

Word of caution, do not go with a Samsung if you can afford the 82U! The reason I bought the 82U the instant I saw it was for the motion handeling (It's the only TV other than maybe the 92U that can handel it perfectly). Samsungs are REALLY bad for that, they only have 8MS response and 60HZ refresh, they look absolutely awful with sports and video games. The 65's also have a glossy layer on their screen, like notebook screens, adding to glare. If glare isn't an issue you don't have to worry but I have a well lit living room so glare free LCD's are a must. Game mode makes it a bit better but it's still nowhere near the level that a quality sharp will give you (Game mode REDUCES the contrast on the TV to speed it up, kinda of sucks having to chose between good contrast and decent response). I looked deeply into the LNT series as well, they are pretty reliable but the PQ just can't compare.

r1dude57 · 04-12-07, 12:21 PM

Just got back from BB looking at the two set side by side. It was good that they had them next to each other. The glare was noticeable on the 65 but it wont be a problem in my bedroom. I like the Sharp for the 120hz and like the 'look' of the tv better too. I am thinking I can get by with the amount of inputs on the Sharp, but the 2 RF inputs, and the VGA seem to be a plus in the 4665s favor. I looked for motion blur on both tvs and it wasnt noticeable on either. In all honesty, the picture of the 61/65 seemed a little crisper than the 46D82U, but it appeared that the colors on the Sharp were way oversaturated. I am definitely torn on these tvs, because this is a huge investment for me, and don't want to experience any buyers remorse. The banding has kept me from buying a Sharp, and the PS3 handshake issues with the Samsung have me equally apprehensive. Does the Sharp have HDMI 1.3 like the Sammy. I am able to score the Sharp for a little under 24 bills plus tax, and I am sure I could get the same deal on the Sammy from my 'inside' man. Gonna head off to CC now and look at the LG 42LB5D which I hear is nice also. Thanks Raven, your posts are being very helpful in my decision.

Raven476 · 04-12-07, 12:41 PM

HMMM, the comments that you said about the 82U don't sound right. The thing with looking at TV's side by side at a store is that it's hard to get an accurate picture of what the TV's are capable of. The Future Shop I go is is great and I have a buddy there that lets me tinker with the TV's and is totally honest about what's going on behind the scenes. Make sure both TV's have the same content running though them and more importantly look at the connection. If 1 is running HDMI and the other is being fed through some low rate component it will skew the PQ comparison.

The reason your comments trouble me is because I looked at both the TV's your looking at (they were even in the exact same spot at 2 different time, the 65 took the 82U's spot becuase the 82 got moved to the show room) and the Samsung really didn't look that impressive. At home I am running the TV at factory setting which, suprisingly for a Sharp, are perfect. The colors especially look amazingly crisp and deep, even when I'm watching Simpsons on a 480P feed I can't help but comment on how great everything looks! And watching King Kong on HD-DVD I can't stop staring at the PERFECT greens on the foliage.

So if you want to perform your own little test, make sure the content and connections are the same. Then if both TV's have the remote beside them reset them to factory defaults (Sammy's have always had great default settings) and look at the PQ between the 2. The 65F may seem a 'little' bit better in color but the Sharp should look alot crisper and smoother. If you can, try and watch some football on the sets, the players running across a green field REALLY brings out motion handeling issues. Sammy's are the worst for ghostings and the 82U was the first TV where I couldn't see it at all.

Hope that helps with your decision!

r1dude57 · 04-12-07, 01:00 PM

I actually haven't left yet, so I will stop at BB and do what you said. I did notice that they were both being played with the same feed, but not sure on the connection. I also need to take some measurements to see if I can even accomodate a 46 incher. The Sharp also appears 20 lbs heavier than Samsung, which is great for stability, but bad for moving it around myself. Could you do me a favor and measure the width and depth of the stand? I only have a spot to put it on right now that is only 29 inches wide. Thanks man, I'll check back in when I get back. I will say that I am almost tempted to just buy a 37D62U and a PS3, and a Toshiba HD-DVD player all for approximately the same price (or less). My viewing distance will only be about 6-8 max, and only being a bedroom tv, I'm still undecided I want to spend that much on a display alone. I already have my main setup which suits me just fine. I'm kinda caught up in the syndrome of always buy the best you can afford at the time. Thanks again, Doug.

Raven476 · 04-12-07, 01:23 PM

46' might be too big for that spot. Remember TV's always look smaller in the stores because of the open space. a 46' at 16:9 will take up 40' across with just the screen, so with the side pannel I think it's 45-50' (I'm at work so I can't tell you exactly but that should be about right). Depth isn't that much of an issue, it's less than 12' I think. The other option your looking at yould be pretty nice if you have a small space but a 37' has a screen that's 32'wide, not including pannel (the screen formula for size to screen length is screen size*0.87145 on a 16:9 widescreen TV), so if you can only fit a TV in that size you may need to look smaller. My bedroom TV is a Samsung 26' LN-S2641D and it works fine.

If you happy with your main setup then I would be looking at other TV's. The 43U line is really good (Don't go for the 62U's at anything smallerthan 37' since the only difference is 1080p which is not noticable at that size, I'm even extatic at the 1080i signals on the 82 I have).

If you have EXACTLY 29' to work with you may need to go with a 26' TV but if it's flexible I'd get a 32', it will only go an inch or two over. Both the Sharp 43/42U line and the Samsung LNT 53Hs (I think?) will be good.

r1dude57 · 04-12-07, 04:04 PM

Just got back a few minutes ago. The stand I would put the tv on is 29 inches wide, but the screensize can go bigger than that....I have 43 1/2 inches to work with for the width of the tv itself. However.....the D82U is just a little too big unfortunately. This is a real bummer because I was looking forward to zeroing in on that tv. It would definitely overpower my space, so I am back to looking at 37-42 inchers.

I did the test you had mentioned, and yes the Sharp was way out of whack, so I reset it to defaults. The Samsung was already on default. The comparison in crispness was leveled out pretty much. Both pictures looked quite good. Believe it or not, they were both hooked up to an HD loop with standard coaxial. So I'm quite sure, the picture would be better on both in my home.

Of the 40-42 inchers at BB, I would have to say it was between the Sammy 4066 and the new LG42LB5D. The new LG sports a 5ms response time, and looked very good (crisp and colorful) I would really like to look at a Sharp 42D72U, but cannot seem to find one...

Any other suggestions for a 40-42? This really sucks, as I was really looking forward to that.

Raven476 · 04-12-07, 04:43 PM

Yeah that does suck that it won't fit. The suggestion I would have would be the 42' D72U. They are hard to come by though. I was going to wait for that TV but it was taking too long to arive so I switched to the 82U when I saw it. The only difference between the 72U and 82U is the 120HZ refresh (which, unfortunately, provides a big difference in PQ from what I have seen) and a $900 price difference.

Other than that, the 40' 66F's and 65F's from Samsung are nice. You'll probably get a more uniform picture and don't have to worry about any tech issues, but the motion handling is crap! I can't say it enough! Maybe it's just me because I watch my TV for sports and video games, but man do sammies suck at that . If your not that concerned about it then pull the triger on one of the sammies.

I would not reccomend an LG, they have really poor quality TV's. Let me guess, the TV was standing all by itself attatched to some sort of LG HD player? Apparently LG pays retailers extra so that their TVs aren't shown side by side with other high quality TV's and constantly has very high quality signals being fed through it.

r1dude57 · 04-12-07, 05:51 PM

Yeah, I'm still a bit disappointed, but at least I'll save some extra cash to buy more goodies with. Actually the LG was sitting right next to the Sammy 4661 on the huge wall of tvs. It was even being fed the same coaxial feed. The picture to my eyes was at least equal to the Sammy and Sharp. But from what I hear, there is some slight overscan using the HDMI inputs. I saw that the egg has the 42D72U in stock, even with a limited return policy. I just wish I could see one, because I've seen some impressive sets the last couple of days.

SharpOne · 04-12-07, 06:05 PM

Hello Raven and r1dude57.

Do you mind if I join your party.

Raven, I was thinking of picking the 52" version of this TV up. I currently have a Sammy 4665, which I am somewhat unhappy with. My preference actually is for the Sharp. Especially the styling of the 62 and 92 Series...simple yet graceful I would say. The Sammy styling is nice also, but not giving me what I want.

Anyway, a couple of questions follow:

Are you seeing any of this banding that is so highly reported on the 62 and 92 sets? Secondly, do you like the look of that smoky black glass around the frame?

I'm not too sure I like that glass around the frame. It seems a bit ugly and pointless. However, if there is no banding on this bad boy, I might be able to live with it.

Your thoughts!

Thanks

Raven476 · 04-12-07, 07:02 PM

Sure come on in! It seems like I am the only owner of one of these things lol.

I actually kind of like the glass finish around it, it gives it some extra style, but it doesn't extend too far past the frame like the XBRs.

As far as banding goes, I'm sure it's there, I just haven't seen it yet. And boy have I been looking. With the 62's and the 92's I was able to see it after a few minutes of watching regular content, they just kind of jumped out at you. This one though it is not there in regular content after a week of watching. I'm sure if I looked at the service screen I would see it, but that kind of skews the testing I think. More TV's probably have PQ problems that people dont' notice. If you show them an example of it then they'll start looking for it and see it where they would have never seen it before.

I do have 1 small issue though. There is a bit of clouding, no one has been able to see it during normal viewing, but if it's the middle of the night and ALL other lights are off and the room is completely black, it will show up when a flat black screen is flashed between content. It also shows up on movies with 2.35:1 aspect a tiny bit in the top left corner because of the black bars, but again only in the middle of the night and only when the room is pitch black. Good thing I'm a morning person. Even with that I considermyself lucky if that is the only flaw I see since no other TV can say that it completely eliminated motion blur.

r1dude57 · 04-12-07, 07:09 PM

Why so unhappy with the 4665? I am now looking at the 40 incher of this set and owner input means a great deal. Blurring, black crush, HDMI handshaking issues?

Oh Raven, I just found a super price on the 72U @ Frys, but not in stock....I still may just get the 82U and make it "fit", but want to hear why SharpOne is unhappy with 4665. The more in our little party, the better!

Raven476 · 04-12-07, 07:33 PM

I have the exact numbers for the 82U size if you want. Base is 26' total langth is 44.5' and the depth is 10'.

r1dude57 · 04-12-07, 07:50 PM

Perfect, so it will fit on my stand. Now if I can just somehow squeeeeeeze it into my spot....The glass attached to the outer bezel isn't removeable is it? That might just give me enough clearance.

Raven476 · 04-12-07, 07:56 PM

No it isn't removable, it only sticks out a fraction of an inch though.

r1dude57 · 04-12-07, 08:19 PM

Man, you're quick. I was just surfin for other tvs . Can you tell I really want the 82U?
But I guess even the 37D62U is quite the upgrade from the 27" CRT i got now. And I could almost get 2 for the price of the D82. I guess I'm just looking for the happy medium between them.

SharpOne · 04-13-07, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r1dude57

Why so unhappy with the 4665? I am now looking at the 40 incher of this set and owner input means a great deal. Blurring, black crush, HDMI handshaking issues?

Oh Raven, I just found a super price on the 72U @ Frys, but not in stock....I still may just get the 82U and make it "fit", but want to hear why SharpOne is unhappy with 4665. The more in our little party, the better!

Really only 2 things are my problem with my 4665. One is these light pillars on both sides of the screen I can't adjust out. Some can, I can't even using the settings others have suggested. Second handshaking issues with PS3 with 1.3 HDMI cable.

SharpOne · 04-13-07, 12:07 AM

On a side note, I went to Sears today and they had the 52D82U on display, and I take back my comment about the frame glass. It seemed less noticeable on the 52" version. I will probably return the 4665 and get the 52D82U. I still have 20 days, so I may wait a bit longer and see how I feel with the 4665.

In the mean time hopefully some other 82 purchasers come here for discussion.

essfor · 04-13-07, 07:10 AM

Hi all,

I have the 52" and am loving it....

I just got in my 30' HDMI cable and ran a DVI to HDMI adapter off of my video card and at long last with fingers crossed the HDMI in (input 4 specifically) is running 1920x1080p on my Sharp. Dot by Dot mode (otherwise it chops the sides off a couple pixels), it looks stunning, my 24" dell 2405fpw is going to get very lonely and ignore

I'm also very suprised that the 30' hdmi cable didn't need boosting or amplification, another nice lil bonus

Just waiting for my 25' toslink to arrive so I can connect it from my DTS 610 home theatre connect and run optical DTS encoding from my PC

SharpOne · 04-13-07, 10:49 AM

[quote=essfor]Hi all,

I have the 52" and am loving it....

Hello Essfor!

Glad to hear you are enjoying your 82. As mentioned above, I will probably pick this set up soon. I have a couple questions for you.

Have you noticed any of the banding issues that have been detailed in the 62 and 92 Sharp series? Also, have you done any gaming on the TV through HDMI, such as PS3, and if so have you seen any handshaking issues through this connection, such as audio cutting out, or video signals cutting out. I am currently experiencing HDMI connection problems with my 4665 Samsung and the PS3 through a 1.3 HDMI cable, is why I ask.

To you Essfor and all who own an 82 please continue to comment on pros/cons of this series as they continue to form.

r1dude57 · 04-13-07, 01:40 PM

Hi essfor, congrats ont the new purchase. I am trying to find a way to make the 46 incher fit in my spot. The fact that you are doing 1920x1080@60 from your comp just answers a big question I had. What type of video card are you using? Mine is an older Radeon 9700pro. It does put out that resolution no problem, even though my comp is really outdated (Athlon XP2200). Just looking for surfing abilities along with email, nothing HD yet. Enjoy your new toy.

essfor · 04-13-07, 02:09 PM

Thanks!

I was in your exact same position.....

I picked up a 30' HDMI cable for 130 CDN, not sure if you can link to stores here or plug stores but let me know and I'll PM you if you need a recommendation for VERRY long cables up to 30' that work....

Anyhow, here is my setup.

AMD64 3200+
ATI X800XT : DVI and VGA port.

The DVI used to go straight to my Dell 24" LCD...
Now the VGA goes straight to the monitor instead...
The DVI now is plugged in to a DVI (male) to HDMI (Female) adapter
From there the 30' HDMI cable is plugged in.
I had the computer running and online while I made the connection to HDMI4...
Before I Switched to that input I went to my ATI CCC (catalyst control centre) and hit detect displays (I used to connect SVideo to a 32" Wega CRT, yeeecch @ 1024x768) the display showed up as 'SHARP HDMI'. I set the resolution to 1920x1080 and said a prayer. Hit Input to Input4 and wow, I was a very happy guy. I had to change view mode to dot by dot and it looks flawless...

The TV is set to primary display 1 @ 1920x1080
The dell monitor is set to 1920x1200 @ 60Hz on VGA (looks the same as DVI to me). No problems what so over.

I DO HAVE BANDING, but the only time I notice it is on a neutral background, I don't see it on black (obviously I suppose). Since I don't make a habit of watching programs with all grey or all white backgrounds this does not matter to me one bit. During a hockey game I can't notice, same with Sopranos or basically any thing I watch games that I play... Perhaps my banding isn't bad, it isn't there and it isn't affecting my enjoyment so I'm fine with it, subjective I suppose.

My fiance is going to do some Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop work on the TV this weekend so I'll let you know her opinion on the display properties.

I'm running vista and I have no problem with reading any text at all, I like very small text on my displays and the resolution is very fine...the colour reproduction (I'm just a viewer and not into photography or design so this is very subjective) is very very vivid.

I just got the Logitech Di Novo edge keyboard, the new bluetooth one and a revolution VX (both go very nice with the TV

)

I'm thinking of getting a USB extension cable and building a truss of sorts to attach my DFP steering wheel to so that I can play live for speed with surround sound happening

Ok, totally geeking out here hehe...

essfor · 04-13-07, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpOne

Have you noticed any of the banding issues that have been detailed in the 62 and 92 Sharp series? Also, have you done any gaming on the TV through HDMI, such as PS3, .

I have an XBOX and thus no HDMI capabilities (don't knwo if I'm going to be bothered with getting the 360 elite...but it sure would look purty and match the rest of my components all black...

I'm running the console through Component and it looks outstanding, I can take some pics...

Games played...
Ghost Recon2 (very good colour)
NBA 2k7 - no ghosting, plays great
Tiger Woods 2007 - Same

Can't wait for Forza2....

Personally, I am very satisfied with quality over component so I'm fine for now...

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Raven476 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35	Official Sharp Aquos 46D82U/52D82U owners thread! After over a year, yes a YEAR of hardcore research I have just made my living room LCD TC purchase(have a Samsung LN-S2641D for the bedroom). And man is it AMAZING! I was originally going to get the 42D72U, but Future Shop was taking too long to get them in and this one was on display. I have been watching Sharp's sepcial demo video for almost 6 months now on just about every Shap TV available and this one was the only TV that could display is Flawlessly. No bands (visible anyways) and no motion blur AT ALL! The 46D62U's had some noticable bands and motion blur even with the 4MS response but for the first time ever I was looking at a TV that my incredible eye sight could not find any flaws with. So I had to do it, I had to buy that TV right then and there. It was pretty pricy (especially since I didn't want to 46' I only wanted 42' max but oh well), but living in Canada it's hard to get good deals since most online retailers don't ship to Canada. But I pulled the triger and took my baby home to play a game of Bandin Roulette. Damn does it look fine, I have not seen any bands or clouding yet. I have not looked in the service menue, nor do I intend to. If I can't see it in normal viewing it's good enough for me. I was especially looking for it on the Xbox 360 dashboard and the white smokey scenes of Lost planet but still couldn't see anything. And the motion handeling on this thing is Amazing! The thing that blew me away the most was that it seems like it outputs 1080P over component. I set my Xbox to 1080P and when I check the signal on the TV it says it's receiving a 1080P feed. Cool! I heard of the Samsung LNT's doing this as well and I'm glad the 82U's decided to go with this. All in all I couldn't be happier with my set. I have spent SOOOOO much time at stores looking at TV's and SOOOO much time researching, it's nice to actually have one and be happy with it. I really think this is the best picture quality out there. Sure the Samsungs have 15,000 contrast but they just can't handel motion. Sure we can enable game mode but it still doesn't bring the response time up to what Sharp can handel and it drastically reduces contrast. The 92U's have the higher contrast as well but are alot more expensive and have alot to technical issues. I don't have a digital camera so I can't post any pics but the GF has one so I'll try to get her to bring one over next time. Great set, can't say that enough! BTW model number is 703.

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Raven476 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35	Theoretically 703's have less chance of defects because it is a later production model. Don't worry about the size, I only wanted a 40' 42' but you can't get TV's this good at those sizes and I ajusted to the 46' quite well. And with movies you still have those black bars at the top of the screen for 2.35:1 content so it makes it look smaller too. Still haven't seen any banding yet, I'm sure it's there I just can't make it out. The TV does have a Dot by Dot setting on it (Not sure if that's what you meant by 1:1).

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r1dude57 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 859	Just got back from BB looking at the two set side by side. It was good that they had them next to each other. The glare was noticeable on the 65 but it wont be a problem in my bedroom. I like the Sharp for the 120hz and like the 'look' of the tv better too. I am thinking I can get by with the amount of inputs on the Sharp, but the 2 RF inputs, and the VGA seem to be a plus in the 4665s favor. I looked for motion blur on both tvs and it wasnt noticeable on either. In all honesty, the picture of the 61/65 seemed a little crisper than the 46D82U, but it appeared that the colors on the Sharp were way oversaturated. I am definitely torn on these tvs, because this is a huge investment for me, and don't want to experience any buyers remorse. The banding has kept me from buying a Sharp, and the PS3 handshake issues with the Samsung have me equally apprehensive. Does the Sharp have HDMI 1.3 like the Sammy. I am able to score the Sharp for a little under 24 bills plus tax, and I am sure I could get the same deal on the Sammy from my 'inside' man. Gonna head off to CC now and look at the LG 42LB5D which I hear is nice also. Thanks Raven, your posts are being very helpful in my decision.

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Raven476 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35	Yeah that does suck that it won't fit. The suggestion I would have would be the 42' D72U. They are hard to come by though. I was going to wait for that TV but it was taking too long to arive so I switched to the 82U when I saw it. The only difference between the 72U and 82U is the 120HZ refresh (which, unfortunately, provides a big difference in PQ from what I have seen) and a $900 price difference. Other than that, the 40' 66F's and 65F's from Samsung are nice. You'll probably get a more uniform picture and don't have to worry about any tech issues, but the motion handling is crap! I can't say it enough! Maybe it's just me because I watch my TV for sports and video games, but man do sammies suck at that . If your not that concerned about it then pull the triger on one of the sammies. I would not reccomend an LG, they have really poor quality TV's. Let me guess, the TV was standing all by itself attatched to some sort of LG HD player? Apparently LG pays retailers extra so that their TVs aren't shown side by side with other high quality TV's and constantly has very high quality signals being fed through it.

04-13-07, 07:10 AM	#26 \| Link
essfor New Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6	HDMI from PC Hi all, I have the 52" and am loving it.... I just got in my 30' HDMI cable and ran a DVI to HDMI adapter off of my video card and at long last with fingers crossed the HDMI in (input 4 specifically) is running 1920x1080p on my Sharp. Dot by Dot mode (otherwise it chops the sides off a couple pixels), it looks stunning, my 24" dell 2405fpw is going to get very lonely and ignore I'm also very suprised that the 30' hdmi cable didn't need boosting or amplification, another nice lil bonus Just waiting for my 25' toslink to arrive so I can connect it from my DTS 610 home theatre connect and run optical DTS encoding from my PC

04-06-07, 01:31 AM	#2 \| Link
dad1153 AVS Addicted Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 11,725	Congratulations Raven, hope you and your set have a longer and more lasting loving relationship than between you and the GF (keep her camera though ). I looked the at the D62/D92 Sharps long and hard, but the disappointment these sets turned out to be (because of the dreaded "b" word) sent me straight into the loving arms of an Olevia 747i 1080p LCD. We've been together for a month now and there's no separating us. I also spent an entire year shopping, learning, wishing, cursing, etc. this whole HDTV process. It's time we both retire from bitching an onto our own private slices of HD heaven. Gotta go check my HD-DVR recording of the Masters, bye!

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r1dude57 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 859	You lucky Dawg!!! I have been thinking of getting this tv too. I also didn't want to go over 40-42" but was presented with a deal I almost can't refuse. The tvs in stock were 703 serial numbers also. Will this tv 1:1 through HDMI with a PC? My monitor is frying out and am going to use this as a temporary monitor. So I am interested if it will work with a DVI to HDMI cable. Congrats on your new purchase. I am on a 3 week vacation right now and WILL be buying a tv in the meantime to use with the new 360 Elite and possibly a PS3. God I love tax refund time!

04-11-07, 03:48 PM	#4 \| Link
r1dude57 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 859	Oh, does the fact that the serial numbers are in the 703's mean that my chances of getting a band-free set are better than lets say, a 702 series?

04-11-07, 05:32 PM	#6 \| Link
r1dude57 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 859	I think you have answered my question. Yes, dot by dot would be 1:1 pixel mapping. So this dot by dot is available on the HDMI inputs eh? I may pull the plug on this tv in the next couple of days, and I am just hoping that I can get it to work with my older Radeon 9700Pro graphics card, which has a DVI out. Have you tried any source device that would require a DVI to HDMI adapter?

04-11-07, 05:44 PM	#7 \| Link
Raven476 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35	I can get Dot By Dot froma component connection so I'm sure it will be available through HDMI as well. I just bought a cabel box yesterday and a DVI to HDMI cabel as well. I will be abel to tell you if you can get Dot by Dot on that connection tomorow when the cabel guy comes to set everything up.

04-11-07, 07:58 PM	#8 \| Link
r1dude57 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 859	Your input is greatly appreciated. I'm going to BB tomorrow to compare side by side with the 4665, and I still got a few days or so to decide. I think it has finally come down to these two sets, but it has taken forever to find a set you'll be happy with these days.

04-12-07, 11:30 AM	#9 \| Link
Raven476 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35	Word of caution, do not go with a Samsung if you can afford the 82U! The reason I bought the 82U the instant I saw it was for the motion handeling (It's the only TV other than maybe the 92U that can handel it perfectly). Samsungs are REALLY bad for that, they only have 8MS response and 60HZ refresh, they look absolutely awful with sports and video games. The 65's also have a glossy layer on their screen, like notebook screens, adding to glare. If glare isn't an issue you don't have to worry but I have a well lit living room so glare free LCD's are a must. Game mode makes it a bit better but it's still nowhere near the level that a quality sharp will give you (Game mode REDUCES the contrast on the TV to speed it up, kinda of sucks having to chose between good contrast and decent response). I looked deeply into the LNT series as well, they are pretty reliable but the PQ just can't compare.

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Raven476 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35	HMMM, the comments that you said about the 82U don't sound right. The thing with looking at TV's side by side at a store is that it's hard to get an accurate picture of what the TV's are capable of. The Future Shop I go is is great and I have a buddy there that lets me tinker with the TV's and is totally honest about what's going on behind the scenes. Make sure both TV's have the same content running though them and more importantly look at the connection. If 1 is running HDMI and the other is being fed through some low rate component it will skew the PQ comparison. The reason your comments trouble me is because I looked at both the TV's your looking at (they were even in the exact same spot at 2 different time, the 65 took the 82U's spot becuase the 82 got moved to the show room) and the Samsung really didn't look that impressive. At home I am running the TV at factory setting which, suprisingly for a Sharp, are perfect. The colors especially look amazingly crisp and deep, even when I'm watching Simpsons on a 480P feed I can't help but comment on how great everything looks! And watching King Kong on HD-DVD I can't stop staring at the PERFECT greens on the foliage. So if you want to perform your own little test, make sure the content and connections are the same. Then if both TV's have the remote beside them reset them to factory defaults (Sammy's have always had great default settings) and look at the PQ between the 2. The 65F may seem a 'little' bit better in color but the Sharp should look alot crisper and smoother. If you can, try and watch some football on the sets, the players running across a green field REALLY brings out motion handeling issues. Sammy's are the worst for ghostings and the 82U was the first TV where I couldn't see it at all. Hope that helps with your decision!

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r1dude57 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 859	I actually haven't left yet, so I will stop at BB and do what you said. I did notice that they were both being played with the same feed, but not sure on the connection. I also need to take some measurements to see if I can even accomodate a 46 incher. The Sharp also appears 20 lbs heavier than Samsung, which is great for stability, but bad for moving it around myself. Could you do me a favor and measure the width and depth of the stand? I only have a spot to put it on right now that is only 29 inches wide. Thanks man, I'll check back in when I get back. I will say that I am almost tempted to just buy a 37D62U and a PS3, and a Toshiba HD-DVD player all for approximately the same price (or less). My viewing distance will only be about 6-8 max, and only being a bedroom tv, I'm still undecided I want to spend that much on a display alone. I already have my main setup which suits me just fine. I'm kinda caught up in the syndrome of always buy the best you can afford at the time. Thanks again, Doug.

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Raven476 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35	46' might be too big for that spot. Remember TV's always look smaller in the stores because of the open space. a 46' at 16:9 will take up 40' across with just the screen, so with the side pannel I think it's 45-50' (I'm at work so I can't tell you exactly but that should be about right). Depth isn't that much of an issue, it's less than 12' I think. The other option your looking at yould be pretty nice if you have a small space but a 37' has a screen that's 32'wide, not including pannel (the screen formula for size to screen length is screen size*0.87145 on a 16:9 widescreen TV), so if you can only fit a TV in that size you may need to look smaller. My bedroom TV is a Samsung 26' LN-S2641D and it works fine. If you happy with your main setup then I would be looking at other TV's. The 43U line is really good (Don't go for the 62U's at anything smallerthan 37' since the only difference is 1080p which is not noticable at that size, I'm even extatic at the 1080i signals on the 82 I have). If you have EXACTLY 29' to work with you may need to go with a 26' TV but if it's flexible I'd get a 32', it will only go an inch or two over. Both the Sharp 43/42U line and the Samsung LNT 53Hs (I think?) will be good.

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r1dude57 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 859	Just got back a few minutes ago. The stand I would put the tv on is 29 inches wide, but the screensize can go bigger than that....I have 43 1/2 inches to work with for the width of the tv itself. However.....the D82U is just a little too big unfortunately. This is a real bummer because I was looking forward to zeroing in on that tv. It would definitely overpower my space, so I am back to looking at 37-42 inchers. I did the test you had mentioned, and yes the Sharp was way out of whack, so I reset it to defaults. The Samsung was already on default. The comparison in crispness was leveled out pretty much. Both pictures looked quite good. Believe it or not, they were both hooked up to an HD loop with standard coaxial. So I'm quite sure, the picture would be better on both in my home. Of the 40-42 inchers at BB, I would have to say it was between the Sammy 4066 and the new LG42LB5D. The new LG sports a 5ms response time, and looked very good (crisp and colorful) I would really like to look at a Sharp 42D72U, but cannot seem to find one... Any other suggestions for a 40-42? This really sucks, as I was really looking forward to that.

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r1dude57 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 859	Yeah, I'm still a bit disappointed, but at least I'll save some extra cash to buy more goodies with. Actually the LG was sitting right next to the Sammy 4661 on the huge wall of tvs. It was even being fed the same coaxial feed. The picture to my eyes was at least equal to the Sammy and Sharp. But from what I hear, there is some slight overscan using the HDMI inputs. I saw that the egg has the 42D72U in stock, even with a limited return policy. I just wish I could see one, because I've seen some impressive sets the last couple of days.

04-12-07, 06:05 PM	#17 \| Link
SharpOne Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 486	Hello Raven and r1dude57. Do you mind if I join your party. Raven, I was thinking of picking the 52" version of this TV up. I currently have a Sammy 4665, which I am somewhat unhappy with. My preference actually is for the Sharp. Especially the styling of the 62 and 92 Series...simple yet graceful I would say. The Sammy styling is nice also, but not giving me what I want. Anyway, a couple of questions follow: Are you seeing any of this banding that is so highly reported on the 62 and 92 sets? Secondly, do you like the look of that smoky black glass around the frame? I'm not too sure I like that glass around the frame. It seems a bit ugly and pointless. However, if there is no banding on this bad boy, I might be able to live with it. Your thoughts! Thanks

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Raven476 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35	Sure come on in! It seems like I am the only owner of one of these things lol. I actually kind of like the glass finish around it, it gives it some extra style, but it doesn't extend too far past the frame like the XBRs. As far as banding goes, I'm sure it's there, I just haven't seen it yet. And boy have I been looking. With the 62's and the 92's I was able to see it after a few minutes of watching regular content, they just kind of jumped out at you. This one though it is not there in regular content after a week of watching. I'm sure if I looked at the service screen I would see it, but that kind of skews the testing I think. More TV's probably have PQ problems that people dont' notice. If you show them an example of it then they'll start looking for it and see it where they would have never seen it before. I do have 1 small issue though. There is a bit of clouding, no one has been able to see it during normal viewing, but if it's the middle of the night and ALL other lights are off and the room is completely black, it will show up when a flat black screen is flashed between content. It also shows up on movies with 2.35:1 aspect a tiny bit in the top left corner because of the black bars, but again only in the middle of the night and only when the room is pitch black. Good thing I'm a morning person. Even with that I considermyself lucky if that is the only flaw I see since no other TV can say that it completely eliminated motion blur.

04-12-07, 07:09 PM	#19 \| Link
r1dude57 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 859	Why so unhappy with the 4665? I am now looking at the 40 incher of this set and owner input means a great deal. Blurring, black crush, HDMI handshaking issues? Oh Raven, I just found a super price on the 72U @ Frys, but not in stock....I still may just get the 82U and make it "fit", but want to hear why SharpOne is unhappy with 4665. The more in our little party, the better!

04-12-07, 07:33 PM	#20 \| Link
Raven476 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35	I have the exact numbers for the 82U size if you want. Base is 26' total langth is 44.5' and the depth is 10'.

04-12-07, 07:50 PM	#21 \| Link
r1dude57 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 859	Perfect, so it will fit on my stand. Now if I can just somehow squeeeeeeze it into my spot....The glass attached to the outer bezel isn't removeable is it? That might just give me enough clearance.

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Raven476 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 35	No it isn't removable, it only sticks out a fraction of an inch though.

04-12-07, 08:19 PM	#23 \| Link
r1dude57 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 859	Man, you're quick. I was just surfin for other tvs . Can you tell I really want the 82U? But I guess even the 37D62U is quite the upgrade from the 27" CRT i got now. And I could almost get 2 for the price of the D82. I guess I'm just looking for the happy medium between them.

04-13-07, 12:07 AM	#25 \| Link
SharpOne Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 486	On a side note, I went to Sears today and they had the 52D82U on display, and I take back my comment about the frame glass. It seemed less noticeable on the 52" version. I will probably return the 4665 and get the 52D82U. I still have 20 days, so I may wait a bit longer and see how I feel with the 4665. In the mean time hopefully some other 82 purchasers come here for discussion.

04-13-07, 10:49 AM	#27 \| Link
SharpOne Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 486	[quote=essfor]Hi all, I have the 52" and am loving it.... Hello Essfor! Glad to hear you are enjoying your 82. As mentioned above, I will probably pick this set up soon. I have a couple questions for you. Have you noticed any of the banding issues that have been detailed in the 62 and 92 Sharp series? Also, have you done any gaming on the TV through HDMI, such as PS3, and if so have you seen any handshaking issues through this connection, such as audio cutting out, or video signals cutting out. I am currently experiencing HDMI connection problems with my 4665 Samsung and the PS3 through a 1.3 HDMI cable, is why I ask. To you Essfor and all who own an 82 please continue to comment on pros/cons of this series as they continue to form.

04-13-07, 01:40 PM	#28 \| Link
r1dude57 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 859	Hi essfor, congrats ont the new purchase. I am trying to find a way to make the 46 incher fit in my spot. The fact that you are doing 1920x1080@60 from your comp just answers a big question I had. What type of video card are you using? Mine is an older Radeon 9700pro. It does put out that resolution no problem, even though my comp is really outdated (Athlon XP2200). Just looking for surfing abilities along with email, nothing HD yet. Enjoy your new toy.

04-13-07, 02:09 PM	#29 \| Link
essfor New Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6	Thanks! I was in your exact same position..... I picked up a 30' HDMI cable for 130 CDN, not sure if you can link to stores here or plug stores but let me know and I'll PM you if you need a recommendation for VERRY long cables up to 30' that work.... Anyhow, here is my setup. AMD64 3200+ ATI X800XT : DVI and VGA port. The DVI used to go straight to my Dell 24" LCD... Now the VGA goes straight to the monitor instead... The DVI now is plugged in to a DVI (male) to HDMI (Female) adapter From there the 30' HDMI cable is plugged in. I had the computer running and online while I made the connection to HDMI4... Before I Switched to that input I went to my ATI CCC (catalyst control centre) and hit detect displays (I used to connect SVideo to a 32" Wega CRT, yeeecch @ 1024x768) the display showed up as 'SHARP HDMI'. I set the resolution to 1920x1080 and said a prayer. Hit Input to Input4 and wow, I was a very happy guy. I had to change view mode to dot by dot and it looks flawless... The TV is set to primary display 1 @ 1920x1080 The dell monitor is set to 1920x1200 @ 60Hz on VGA (looks the same as DVI to me). No problems what so over. I DO HAVE BANDING, but the only time I notice it is on a neutral background, I don't see it on black (obviously I suppose). Since I don't make a habit of watching programs with all grey or all white backgrounds this does not matter to me one bit. During a hockey game I can't notice, same with Sopranos or basically any thing I watch games that I play... Perhaps my banding isn't bad, it isn't there and it isn't affecting my enjoyment so I'm fine with it, subjective I suppose. My fiance is going to do some Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop work on the TV this weekend so I'll let you know her opinion on the display properties. I'm running vista and I have no problem with reading any text at all, I like very small text on my displays and the resolution is very fine...the colour reproduction (I'm just a viewer and not into photography or design so this is very subjective) is very very vivid. I just got the Logitech Di Novo edge keyboard, the new bluetooth one and a revolution VX (both go very nice with the TV ) I'm thinking of getting a USB extension cable and building a truss of sorts to attach my DFP steering wheel to so that I can play live for speed with surround sound happening Ok, totally geeking out here hehe...