"Sharp Aquos D92U Owner's Thread II '

[markrubin]

this is a continuation of the original thread "Sharp Aquos D92U Owner's Thread"

The original thread was getting too long and was full of a lot of inappropriate posts: please keep it ON TOPIC

Thanks

[bpmurr]

You probably should have changed the title to include the D93 in it as well since it's out now.

[Milenkod]

If I only have VGA out on my laptop, is it at all possible to display onto my D92 through the DVI port with a VGA to DVI adapter?

[ghettojiggalo]

whats the equivalent top of the line from sony/samsung/lg/ect that compares to sharp's d92 line? do they have comparable 3000/1 or 15000/1 contrast and 120hertz? im putting off getting a d92 until the banding is worked out or an equivalent model from a competitor comes out that has less issues

[arklab]

Originally Posted by Milenkod

If I only have VGA out on my laptop, is it at all possible to display onto my D92 through the DVI port with a VGA to DVI adapter?

Sure, just be aware that VGA is analog, not digital.
The DVI port on the D92's are built to accept ether, though.

You will need a VGA to DVI cable or adaptor.
And herein may be something to be cautious about.
There are actually three types of DVI interfaces; one is for analog, a second is for digital only, and a third can handle both/ether digital or analog signals (like the type on the D92.

Cables and adaptors need not be too expensive to be of high quality ether - I've read many posts and reviews praising monoprice.com, just for one example that comes to mind.

Also just an aside on a seldom discussed feature of the D92 series - did you know that there is also an RS-232 port that can control the TV from your computer?
It seems that you can send simple commands with scripts to - well do almost anything.
Look up the manuals and posts on the Sharp projection units for much more complete lists of commands and how to use them.

[bpmurr]

Originally Posted by ghettojiggalo

whats the equivalent top of the line from sony/samsung/lg/ect that compares to sharp's d92 line? do they have comparable 3000/1 or 15000/1 contrast and 120hertz? im putting off getting a d92 until the banding is worked out or an equivalent model from a competitor comes out that has less issues

Samsung has the 4665 and 5265 with 15000/1 but no 120Hz. It also has a glossy screen like a Plasma.

[Milenkod]

Hmmm...Could someone try this and tell me if the Xbox360 over VGA/DVI works any better? I understand that the D92 and 360's 1080P signal over VGAdon't like eachother, especially in regards to the HD DVD add on. Can someone who's done the Spring dashboard update and HD DVD report back?

From www.dailytech.com
“Both Xbox 360 Elite and current Xbox 360 units will have a spring (console) update which adds support for different video levels for VGA output (“7.5 IRE vs 0”) ... using this setting you should be able to use computer monitors in addition to TVs with resolutions all the way up to 1080p with high fidelity and no issues with HDCP handshaking,”

[Milenkod]

Originally Posted by arklab

Also just an aside on a seldom discussed feature of the D92 series - did you know that there is also an RS-232 port that can control the TV from your computer?

I always wondered about the RS 232 port. My Pioneer Elite and now D92 both have them but never knew what they were used for or what to do with them.

[arklab]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

You probably should have changed the title to include the D93 in it as well since it's out now.

Hmmm ...
I wonder if this might not be a good time to concentrate on just the D92 series.

The D82's lack many features, and the D93's are a total different panel.
They deserve there own threads.

It might also help to TRY and avoid extensive discussions of other brands, at least when not really related to a D92 owners questions.

And, finally, can we all agree that most (or all) D92's have some banding which is (or isn't) visible in most normal viewing, and that some owners don't mind it and (overall) like the set while other owners don't and want to return or exchange it?

PLEASE??!!!

What do you think?

[Mindwarper]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

You probably should have changed the title to include the D93 in it as well since it's out now.

What is the difference between the 92 and 93. I just bought the 92 and have another 15 days of return. Is it much better?

[Mindwarper]

Originally Posted by Milenkod

Hmmm...Could someone try this and tell me if the Xbox360 over VGA/DVI works any better? I understand that the D92 and 360's 1080P signal over VGAdon't like eachother, especially in regards to the HD DVD add on. Can someone who's done the Spring dashboard update and HD DVD report back?

From www.dailytech.com
“Both Xbox 360 Elite and current Xbox 360 units will have a spring (console) update which adds support for different video levels for VGA output (“7.5 IRE vs 0”) ... using this setting you should be able to use computer monitors in addition to TVs with resolutions all the way up to 1080p with high fidelity and no issues with HDCP handshaking,”

I have my elite 360 connected to my tv via hdmi. It looks great. Don't have the hd dvd yet. The dashboard update is good. It has h64 support. You can make a download que and have it shut down after download. It is a nice update.

[pikoo]

Originally Posted by CrysDark
I spoke with supervisor Everette and these are the fun facts I have learned.

I had a long discussion with the same guy few days back. He was the most "rude" Sharp dispatch guy - I ever talked to. He knows about "AVSForum" very much and also blaming me that it is my problem and he was saying "Sharp is producing all the TVs in-specification and there is no problem of banding on Sharp TVs".

[danki6x]

Originally Posted by Mindwarper

What is the difference between the 92 and 93. I just bought the 92 and have another 15 days of return. Is it much better?

You do know the 93 is only in 65" and about $10k? Basically announced with '92s as their big brother. Dan

[rabidsteelerfan]

Just thought I'd chime in. I've elected to go the exchange route with sharp instead of the refund. Sharp says at this time they do not have any 92's in stock for replacement. I really don't have a problem waiting until they do as this actually makes me hopeful that they are waiting for the problems to be ironed out until they send out the "non-banded" ones.

Maybe wishful thinking but I must say, I've had 3 phone calls to sharp and everyone of them was extremely helpful and courteous. One of the lady's even called the house instead of e-mailing me, to let me know the current state of my case no#.

My banding was extremely obvious in the PS3 xmb and was noticeable in average viewing, especially in panning shots. I tried to live with it this last month and a half but really makes no sense in "trying to live with it" when you drop over 3 grand on a tv.

As for the 360 via VGA. I've tried the dvi-vga adapter with my 360 and I can't get any kind of picture. Says something about "incompatible signal" and this is even after the spring update. Don't know how anyone else has got this to work?

[Chaalie]

Originally Posted by rabidsteelerfan

Just thought I'd chime in. I've elected to go the exchange route with sharp instead of the refund. Sharp says at this time they do not have any 92's in stock for replacement. I really don't have a problem waiting until they do as this actually makes me hopeful that they are waiting for the problems to be ironed out until they send out the "non-banded" ones.

Maybe wishful thinking but I must say, I've had 3 phone calls to sharp and everyone of them was extremely helpful and courteous. One of the lady's even called the house instead of e-mailing me, to let me know the current state of my case no#.

My banding was extremely obvious in the PS3 xmb and was noticeable in average viewing, especially in panning shots. I tried to live with it this last month and a half but really makes no sense in "trying to live with it" when you drop over 3 grand on a tv.

As for the 360 via VGA. I've tried the dvi-vga adapter with my 360 and I can't get any kind of picture. Says something about "incompatible signal" and this is even after the spring update. Don't know how anyone else has got this to work?

Your Sharp experience mirrors mine. Of the four people I spoke with 3 were extremely pleasant and the 4th was just average. I'm also on the waiting list for a 5292 and also don't mind waiting (for the same reason...better chance at bandless set).

One thing I'd like to say about the new Thread II. I think it is important for banding reports to continue; however, perhaps the tone of some of the posts did get out of hand towards the end of Thread I. I have banding. I've posted pics of my banding. I'll post pics when I get my replacement set. This forum really is the only way we'll know if improvement has been made at Sharp.

[lipcrkr]

Originally Posted by ghettojiggalo

whats the equivalent top of the line from sony/samsung/lg/ect that compares to sharp's d92 line? do they have comparable 3000/1 or 15000/1 contrast and 120hertz? im putting off getting a d92 until the banding is worked out or an equivalent model from a competitor comes out that has less issues

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...08/ces5_04.jpg

[mpstech]

Just wanted to update on my 46d92U. BB is coming to my house on sunday to exchange my panel due to the horizonal lines running throught the screen (NOT BANDING, an actual defect) as in the pics I posted in the old thread. Looks like I'm still getting an A7018XXXXX number. O well. I'll give it a try. I will say that in the service mode I was able to detect some banding and see the actuall source. It was really only detectable on level 1 and 2 gray. It looks to me like a coating issue. I have not seen it during viewing of movies. I also hooked up my analog vga laptop at 1280x1024(60HZ max for sharp) using a dvi-vga adapter. Not stunning but it worked. I'm assuming that a pc with dvi out would be much better. When I set the background of the pc to different shades of gray the banding was not visible.
I've been back to a couple of Big Stores since I picked up my sharp on Monday evening and I still can't see anything better unless I spend a bunch more money. I like the sharp. I think the PictureQuality is the best I've seen for the money. I just want to watch the thing and see what happens.

[petrovy]

Originally Posted by lipcrkr

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...08/ces5_04.jpg

No cigar for the Toshiba yet: it's only 8ms and no mention of CR

[axmode]

I own a 46" 82U (sorry to intrude on your thread again, but the 82U thread is very, very dormant: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz). I am subscribed to D*TV and use their HR20-700 (DVR) connected via HDMI. I am quite happy with the calibration settings which I have found on thread I (and on the 62U owner's thread) for the HD channels, but no matter what, the SD is still almost unwatchable.

If anyone uses similar source and has a setting which would like to recommend, I am all ears. TIA.

[bpmurr]

Originally Posted by rabidsteelerfan

Just thought I'd chime in. I've elected to go the exchange route with sharp instead of the refund. Sharp says at this time they do not have any 92's in stock for replacement. I really don't have a problem waiting until they do as this actually makes me hopeful that they are waiting for the problems to be ironed out until they send out the "non-banded" ones.

Maybe wishful thinking but I must say, I've had 3 phone calls to sharp and everyone of them was extremely helpful and courteous. One of the lady's even called the house instead of e-mailing me, to let me know the current state of my case no#.

My banding was extremely obvious in the PS3 xmb and was noticeable in average viewing, especially in panning shots. I tried to live with it this last month and a half but really makes no sense in "trying to live with it" when you drop over 3 grand on a tv.

As for the 360 via VGA. I've tried the dvi-vga adapter with my 360 and I can't get any kind of picture. Says something about "incompatible signal" and this is even after the spring update. Don't know how anyone else has got this to work?

What size do you have? 46" 52"

[Milenkod]

Originally Posted by Chaalie

One thing I'd like to say about the new Thread II. I think it is important for banding reports to continue; however, perhaps the tone of some of the posts did get out of hand towards the end of Thread I. I have banding. I've posted pics of my banding. I'll post pics when I get my replacement set. This forum really is the only way we'll know if improvement has been made at Sharp.

One thought to that and Thread II...it appears as though Sharp has made steps to improve the banding in the recent 703 and newer serials. Thread II comes at a good break point to begin the the positive reports on this issue as well as D92 Owner related questions. It turned the corner for the better and lets get back on topic.

[KenB123]

Originally Posted by Milenkod

it appears as though Sharp has made steps to improve the banding in the recent 703 and newer serials.

Is this really true though? I am not convinced as yet.

Unless I missed something, I have only seen pics of one unit (703 serial number) that showed some 'hope'. Myself, I need more than one success posting before I will become a true believer. I can only hope that more 703+ owners will continue posting their findings.

I just don't wish to see 'wishful thinking' mixed up with 'actual reality'. Sorry, but that is how I feel regarding this 'banding imperfection'.

[sprangdog]

Originally Posted by arklab

Hmmm ...
I wonder if this might not be a good time to concentrate on just the D92 series.

The D82's lack many features, and the D93's are a total different panel.
They deserve there own threads.

Originally Posted by arklab

And, finally, can we all agree that most (or all) D92's have some banding which is (or isn't) visible in most normal viewing, and that some owners don't mind it and (overall) like the set while other owners don't and want to return or exchange it?

Originally Posted by Chaalie

One thing I'd like to say about the new Thread II. I think it is important for banding reports to continue; however, perhaps the tone of some of the posts did get out of hand towards the end of Thread I. I have banding. I've posted pics of my banding. I'll post pics when I get my replacement set. This forum really is the only way we'll know if improvement has been made at Sharp.

I agree D93 = different tv/different thread. You guys are right on: talk of banding as an owner experience is productive, debate over whether banding should be acceptable is not helpful and just gets people's emotions up...

Finally, I posted this twice before but can't get any bites: Does anybody know if going into service mode can be a warranty issue or is, in any way, "tracked" by the TV itself (i.e. could someone tell if you did it?) I'm nervous about trying this, esp. if Sharp is getting wise to it, but guess the curiousity is getting to me, others seem to do it and then later swap out tv's w/o a problem...anybody?

[oldcband]

Originally Posted by KenB123

Is this really true though? I am not convinced as yet.

I just don't wish to see 'wishful thinking' mixed up with 'actual reality'. Sorry, but that is how I feel regarding this 'banding imperfection'.

Are there professional model LCD's? Maybe if your looking for "PERFECTION" you may have to open your wallet with a little more cash. Seems to me there aren't many if at all any LCD's that are perfect here in this forum.

I'm a huge skeptic too, but maybe if you didn't go lookin you might have not noticed this. I never went looking for dead or stuck pixels when I got my HDTV's and I fiqured why go looking if it doesn't bother you now? Just some opinons.

[Jeff Flowerday]

Originally Posted by Milenkod

Hmmm...Could someone try this and tell me if the Xbox360 over VGA/DVI works any better? I understand that the D92 and 360's 1080P signal over VGAdon't like eachother, especially in regards to the HD DVD add on. Can someone who's done the Spring dashboard update and HD DVD report back?

From www.dailytech.com
“Both Xbox 360 Elite and current Xbox 360 units will have a spring (console) update which adds support for different video levels for VGA output (“7.5 IRE vs 0”) ... using this setting you should be able to use computer monitors in addition to TVs with resolutions all the way up to 1080p with high fidelity and no issues with HDCP handshaking,”

I haven't bothered hooking up my Elite via VGA to see if it now works. I doubt they fixed the issue, just from the comments I got from the Microsoft insider saying it was a TV issue sending the wrong codes or something.

[whodean]

I have a 52" 82u waiting for me to pick up in a store, they are going to unbox so I can connect my laptop to test for banding, what sort of image should I display to clearly show banding?

[KenB123]

Originally Posted by oldcband

I'm a huge skeptic too, but maybe if you didn't go lookin you might have not noticed this.

Eventually it is noticed, unless you just don't happen to watch material that emphasizes it, or you are not a critical watcher.

"Master & Commander" appears to be the first movie that became 'famous' for emphasizing the banding. My recent finding is the older movie 'Das Boat'. Another poster mentioned the ending of 'Children of Men'. There have been other movies I have watched as well.

When you have the right blend of background colors, the banding can be quite apparent. There really is no denying the problem is there. And I am not talking about sitting there just watching for them. Rather, I am enjoying the movie and then the 'banding' discoloration is seen. You can't help but feel some disappointment in seeing the imperfection.

[oldcband]

KenB123
Heres your solution:
http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/flatscr..._story_196.htm

[petrovy]

Seems to me there aren't many if at all any LCD's that are perfect here in this forum.

Oldcband,
not on this forum, but for 1/5th the price of a 46D92 you can buy a "perfectly" clean LCD panel on the Vizio 32 incher

[whodean]

I've got a Mitsbishi 46131 that is gorgeous and I bought it for several hundred less than the Sharp 46d92u, no banding no clouding.