Definitive Technology ProCinema Series 600/800/1000 (or 60/80/100) Thread

[Plex]

Originally Posted by toddRiffic

Hey Plex,

Thanks for taking the time to do a thorough write up. I agree 100% about recommending avr's with audyssey first. Glad to hear your enjoying it with your def techs.

Yea, Audyssey seems to be the best cal system to date and it make any speakers system preform its best. I know many swear by SPL meters but they only get levels correct and you are still left with how to make the speakers sound in a room with over stuffed furniture or an almost empty room. I really know the Denon/Audyssey combination is why I am enjoying these DT's so much.

[toddRiffic]

Originally Posted by cukoodukoo

Hi todriffic,
I appreciate the gesture.This setup is my first HT setup for a newyork apt.Its appr 23x18 ft with extesnsion into my kitchen.I have heard people rave ed 300 subwoofer.Its expensive but more powerful I guess.I dont like wallshaking bass out of my present system as I live in Newyork[rattly old apts],though i am gonna move out in the next 2 yrs.
Would ed300 be a better buy?
The prestige has only 1 yr warranty vs omni which has 5 yrs.

I would like to take a decision soon.How big is ur room?

Hey cukoodukoo,
If you are going to move in the next two years to a house where you don't have to worry about sharing walls, have the extra money, have the space for a bigger sub, at least occasionally want to shake the house then you should get the ED sub. I'm a Iowa guy transplanted to the west cost, so I love to see a company from back home making a great product and having success.

I currently live in a apartment in which the living area is pretty much open to the kitchen and dining area at roughly 20x22 feet. The space I had to place a subwoofer ruled out buying a large subwoofer. Additionally, I wanted clean accurate sound with deep extension, over sheer output. That is not to say that the omni s8 is a wimp, not at all. It's woofer has 1.5" of linear travel and shockingly authoritative for a sub with a 8" driver. As far as the mirage warranty goes, the manual for omni s8 states the amp is 1 year and woofer is 5 years. The warranty in the manual for the prestige s8 states 1 year, to which I believe they are referring to the amp only, I would bet that the woofer is five years same as the omni.

Hope this helps,

[toddRiffic]

Originally Posted by taphil

It's been over a year since I've posted in this thread....and now I'm itching to upgrade my speakers. A few weeks ago, I upgraded to the new receiver from the AVR-247 so I could get more HDMI switching ports, which works perfectly now.

Current setup:
AVR: Harman Kardon AVR-354
Front: DT PM800
Center: DT PC1000
Sub: BIC H-100 12"
components: cable, Blu Ray, HD DVD, Mac mini HTPC

My uses would be 50% music, 25% TV, 25% movies.

I'm considering upgrading the front and center to PM1000 and PC2000. I've read in this thread that it would be a good upgrade. The current PC800 would go to the rear or I would sell them. The sub is perfectly fine to me. I'm not really interested in anything more than a 3.1 setup given my usage pattern.

(1) Would the upgrade at $780 make a big difference worthy of the price? I'm not displeased with the current setup, except that I think the center channel can be better at times, especially with some movies and watching LOST (new season in a few weeks!).

(2) How would the Mythos Four compare to the PM800? I think I would prefer floor-standing speakers and not having to use speaker stands, but it's not critical. And I have no way of auditioning them. I know they don't use the cool-looking speakers in the ProCinema series, but they do have 5 total speakers compared two 2, and both have the bass radiators. A pair of the Mythos are $1100, which is more than I want to spend, and I would have to think carefully about upgrading the center speaker. Also, what center speaker would go well with the Mythos Four?

Hey taphil,

I know plex already responded and gives great advice, but I want to throw my 2 cents in. As good as the PM800's and PC1000 did sound; I felt I heard enough difference to warrant the extra money for the PM1000's and PC2000.

I know you said that you are not interested in anything more than 3.1... but it sounds like you are a fan of my favorite TV show LOST! Let me tell you, this show definitely benefits for surround speakers. Want to immerse yourself in all the detailed sounds that tell your ears that you are in the middle of the jungle? There is simply no substitute for actually having speakers in the rear of the room period. I have the def tech BP 1.2x's for my surrounds can hear the voices of "the others" whispering eerily all around the room.

[Plex]

Originally Posted by toddRiffic

Hey taphil,

I know plex already responded and gives great advice, but I want to throw my 2 cents in. As good as the PM800's and PC1000 did sound; I felt I heard enough difference to warrant the extra money for the PM1000's and PC2000.

I know you said that you are not interested in anything more than 3.1... but it sounds like you are a fan of my favorite TV show LOST! Let me tell you, this show definitely benefits for surround speakers. Want to immerse yourself in all the detailed sounds that tell your ears that you are in the middle of the jungle? There is simply no substitute for actually having speakers in the rear of the room period. I have the def tech BP 1.2x's for my surrounds can hear the voices of "the others" whispering eerily all around the room.

Please recommend away, you even brought up a point about the 1.2's I didn't think of, long live Dipole!

[squire23]

I love Definitive Tech's new website. The FAQ's and Literature sections have some great info. They even have a crossover chart for their entire line of speakers.

www.definitivetech.com

[webcrawlr]

Originally Posted by Plex

Please recommend away, you even brought up a point about the 1.2's I didn't think of, long live Dipole!

pss.. it's bipole, not dipole.

[Plex]

Originally Posted by webcrawlr

pss.. it's bipole, not dipole.

Ok, I may have got those F'ed up but, Bi-poles are discribed as speakers playing from the front and rear of a speaker (7000 series and so on) Di-poles are refered to as speakers where the sound comes from the sides of the speakers and that one side of a di-pole speakers is out of phase with its mirror (same cabinet) and placed on side/back walls. I would have to ask a DT rep but I thought the 1.2/2X... where True di-poles and not just reconfigered bi-poles, if so, i'm very sad.

[toddRiffic]

Originally Posted by Plex

Ok, I may have got those F'ed up but, Bi-poles are discribed as speakers playing from the front and rear of a speaker (7000 series and so on) Di-poles are refered to as speakers where the sound comes from the sides of the speakers and that one side of a di-pole speakers is out of phase with its mirror (same cabinet) and placed on side/back walls. I would have to ask a DT rep but I thought the 1.2/2X... where True di-poles and not just reconfigered bi-poles, if so, i'm very sad.

Hey Plex,

Quote from the BP1.2/2 manual: "These compact, high-quality bipolar (equal sound radiates both front and rear) speaker systems"

I believe that these speakers are indeed Bipolar. That doesn't mean you can't have a little fun by opening them up and wiring one of the tweeters and mid/bass drivers out of phase for the sake of science!

[Plex]

Originally Posted by toddRiffic

Hey Plex,

Quote from the BP1.2/2 manual: "These compact, high-quality bipolar (equal sound radiates both front and rear) speaker systems"

I believe that these speakers are indeed Bipolar. That doesn't mean you can't have a little fun by opening them up and wiring one of the tweeters and mid/bass drivers out of phase for the sake of science!

OH HELL, great now i got to "Bi" back into may vocabulary

[Plex]

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF BI DT FRIENDS, oh that did not come out right at all. Well you know what I mean, "Live Long and Prosper", drink heavly, don't drive and as the Steven Stills said "If you can't be with the one you love LOVE the one your with"

[lamonsasa]

Originally Posted by Plex

Sorry, but it wouldn't help if I do since he wants pickup only and will not ship, so those living in NY would have the best chance. Don't you already have newer DT on the way? You have to control this upgrade bug, you'll go broke

i live in NY lol... i know i alrady have dts on the way i just wanted to see the guys post on craiglist just for the sake of it

[toddRiffic]

Originally Posted by Plex

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF BI DT FRIENDS, oh that did not come out right at all. Well you know what I mean, "Live Long and Prosper", drink heavly, don't drive and as the Steven Stills said "If you can't be with the one you love LOVE the one your with"

Happy New Year to all! I'm going drink'in!

[Johnny Angell]

I just found this thread and these DT Pro Cinema speakers sound very interesting. I went to their web site and apparently these are only 5.1 speakers and not 7.1, is that right? Also, white is only available ala carte and not as a package. I haven't added up the pieces, but I presume that will cost more.

I have just made the pleasant discovery that there is room in my budget to spend $2k to upgrade my HT sound system. I currently have ancient Bose Acoustimass speakers and a 5.1 Sony receiver.

I'd like to upgrade to a 7.1 receiver and speaker system. I've included a pic that basically shows the left side of my current HT setup. The 2 front left and right speakers in the compartments behind the black cloth grilles at the top of each pier of the HT cabinet. The center speaker goes above the TV, currently on a shelf, but I guess it could go on the top of the HT cabinet. The SW is just barely visible on the lower right corner. You can see the left rear surround on the wall. Positioning with the new speakers will remain the same, but the rear center speakers will hang from the ceiling.

Currently hooked up to my receiver are a DTV HR20, Sony BDP-550 Blu Ray, Tape Deck, CD Player, VHS, Turntable.

The speakers can be bigger than my current units, but still need to be more on the small side rather than bigger.

I'd like the new receiver to have hdmi inputs, be good for low volume listening (I take it that Dynamic Volume is good for this). I have this requirement because I do a lot of viewing after the wife has gone to bed. Of course I still want the sound to knock my socks off when the occasion permits. If I can get the Audyssey calibration system in the receiver, all the better.

I want to receiver to be Ipod capable, preferably I should be able to navigate the Ipod via the TV screen. I saw a recommendation for the Harman Kardon AVR-354 in this thread, but it doesn't have Audyssey.

So can I get all this for around $2k? If the Pro Cinema speakers aren't 7.1, can you recommend some that are?

[Plex]

Originally Posted by Johnny Angell

I just found this thread and these DT Pro Cinema speakers sound very interesting. I went to their web site and apparently these are only 5.1 speakers and not 7.1, is that right? Also, white is only available ala carte and not as a package. I haven't added up the pieces, but I presume that will cost more.

I have just made the pleasant discovery that there is room in my budget to spend $2k to upgrade my HT sound system. I currently have ancient Bose Acoustimass speakers and a 5.1 Sony receiver.

I'd like to upgrade to a 7.1 receiver and speaker system. I've included a pic that basically shows the left side of my current HT setup. The 2 front left and right speakers in the compartments behind the black cloth grilles at the top of each pier of the HT cabinet. The center speaker goes above the TV, currently on a shelf, but I guess it could go on the top of the HT cabinet. The SW is just barely visible on the lower right corner. You can see the left rear surround on the wall. Positioning with the new speakers will remain the same, but the rear center speakers will hang from the ceiling.

Currently hooked up to my receiver are a DTV HR20, Sony BDP-550 Blu Ray, Tape Deck, CD Player, VHS, Turntable.

The speakers can be bigger than my current units, but still need to be more on the small side rather than bigger.

I'd like the new receiver to have hdmi inputs, be good for low volume listening (I take it that Dynamic Volume is good for this). I have this requirement because I do a lot of viewing after the wife has gone to bed. Of course I still want the sound to knock my socks off when the occasion permits. If I can get the Audyssey calibration system in the receiver, all the better.

I want to receiver to be Ipod capable, preferably I should be able to navigate the Ipod via the TV screen. I saw a recommendation for the Harman Kardon AVR-354 in this thread, but it doesn't have Audyssey.

So can I get all this for around $2k? If the Pro Cinema speakers aren't 7.1, can you recommend some that are?

I'll make this quick for now, but if you al'carte these speakers as a package and call 6th ave or abt.com you most likely can get the at a very good price. You can put together the PC1000 with 4 PM800 and 2 BP1.2X all of the are in white, the only thing that is not is the sub. There is a dealer that is a member of avs that can also get you a good deal, if order a 5.1 or 7.1 system, which you would be doing. i pass on his name tomorrow, can't keep eyeopen any lonnggeerrr

[Plex]

Originally Posted by lamonsasa

i live in NY lol... i know i alrady have dts on the way i just wanted to see the guys post on craiglist just for the sake of it

Sorry, my bad

http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/ele/968171218.html

[Johnny Angell]

Originally Posted by Plex

I'll make this quick for now, but if you al'carte these speakers as a package and call 6th ave or abt.com you most likely can get the at a very good price.

Thanks for the info. I take it you are comfortable recommending those two merchants? Do you have a link for 6th Ave?

I'll appreciate any further info or advice.

[Plex]

Originally Posted by Johnny Angell

Thanks for the info. I take it you are comfortable recommending those two merchants? Do you have a link for 6th Ave?

I'll appreciate any further info or advice.

I see from your photo that there are Bose speakers in that room, yes? If so than you are fimilar with reflective sound, that being said maybe another possible setup you want to consider.

Comes in White
1-PC1000, center
2-PM800, mains
4- BP-1.2's, sides and rears

The BP-1.2's all have the same speaker size as the PC and PM speakers (4.5")

[Plex]

Originally Posted by Johnny Angell

Thanks for the info. I take it you are comfortable recommending those two merchants? Do you have a link for 6th Ave?

I'll appreciate any further info or advice.

I see from your photo that there are Bose speakers in that room another possible setup you want to consider. Let me start from the begining

Comes in White
#1
1-PC1000, center
4-PM800, mains/rears
2- BP-1.2's, sides

The BP-1.2's all have the same speaker size as the PC and PM speakers (4.5")

#2
1-PC1000
2-PM800's
4-BP-1.2's

#3
Pro Cinema 600, sub is same in Pro 800 setup
2- BP-1.2's

With setups #1 & 2 you will still need a sub, but you can get a better sub for less and several of us have recommandations for you if you want.

The 600 system would give you the smaller speakers and you have extra $$ to by the 1.2's and still have alot more $$$$ to get a AVR with Audyssey (i recommand any Denon). Many of us like the way Denon makes the DT sound but Onkyo also does very good with DT's too.

As for 6TH Ave or ABt.com just call the sales rep (online prices don't show discounts). You should have some real bargining power since you are getting several speakers and an AVR. I think you should be able to to get 20%-25% off your system at either of these stores. But you may find that if you get the AVr at another store you may get it lower, you'll just have to play each store against each to get the best prices.

if you choose #1/2 still get prices for the speakers and avr so you can get an idea of what money you have left to get a "better" sub.

If you want to bounce AVR selections off us here that would be ok, since this thread is more than just a place to get info on DT speakers, we all want fellow onwers to get the best they can afford, so come back any time.

Got the name of avs name of that dealer, Adz523, drop him a PM and see if he can give you a price (he is a DT dealer), he may also be able to give a deal withthe AVr since he does custom installs.

When you get a price with anyone, let us know (if you want) what the offer is and some one here can tell you if you geeting a real deal.

p

[Johnny Angell]

Originally Posted by Plex

With setups #1 & 2 you will still need a sub, but you can get a better sub for less and several of us have recommandations for you if you want.

The 600 system would give you the smaller speakers and you have extra $$ to by the 1.2's and still have alot more $$$$ to get a AVR with Audyssey (i recommand any Denon). Many of us like the way Denon makes the DT sound but Onkyo also does very good with DT's too.

If you want to bounce AVR selections off us here that would be ok, since this thread is more than just a place to get info on DT speakers, we all want fellow onwers to get the best they can afford, so come back any time.

Got the name of avs name of that dealer, Adz523, drop him a PM and see if he can give you a price (he is a DT dealer), he may also be able to give a deal withthe AVr since he does custom installs.

p

Adz has already PM'd me and I've replied saying I will definitely call him next week. I'm definitely open to suggestions for a sub and for the AVR. Denon has always had a good rep. I don't absolutely have to have a bunch of hdmi inputs on the AVR, since my Samsung lcd has them and that's what I'm doing now. When buying a new AVR do most prefer inputting everthing into the AVR via hdmi or...? I also want the AVR to be Ipod ready. I'd like there to be some sort of docking station and would love to be able to navigate the Ipod via the TV screen. Does a Denon do that?

[Triple-X]

Originally Posted by mothergoose45

Got mine for $219 2 weeks ago from BB/ Magnolia. But its back ordered till 1/7. Oh well. Wonder why BB takes so long to get a speaker in?

YOU MEAN a pc1000 right? 219 for a pro center 2000 from BB is way way beyond their cost.

[Triple-X]

Originally Posted by lamonsasa

triple x, how much did u pay for your new denon? And where did u buy it from?

got mine from best buy from my regular sales guy for 849
could have went thru 6ave at the time and paid 749, but didnt want to use my regular credit cards, and my BB card was 24 months same as cash.

[Triple-X]

Originally Posted by webcrawlr

I wouldn't take the 2809 including burr brown or AL24 in to too much account given what you are using it for. I also wasn't able to hear a difference in store. .

IMHO I think that while some people can taste the difference between 5 dollar champagne and Dom P, Others can not. although I assure you there is a difference.
the difference is quality. Namely SOUND Quality in this case.
However in speaking to YOUR point, it may not "matter" to some or even MOST for that matter, depending on what 'they' need.

But then if thats the case should we just ask everyone if they care about SQ or not and if they do not, just steer them into a low line Sony AVR with HDMI pass thru? I mean respectfully this is a Def Tech thread, and most people are here because they want "more" from their "sound n setups" to begin with.

I for one CAN hear the difference as I am sure many others would agree. but its not black and white, although more than noticable to a mature ear. FWIW

[Triple-X]

Originally Posted by Plex

TX - As for the remotes I like the big touch screen and other remote, but I got myself the Harmony ONE for Xmas (came today)

how do you like that harmony one? I am also thinking about that remote but have been going back and forth between it and the 890.

[Triple-X]

Originally Posted by Plex

You have to control this upgrade bug, you'll go broke

HAAAAAAAAAAA
now u f*%@ing tell us!!

LMAO

[Triple-X]

Originally Posted by Paladin97

Triple-X, Thanks for the great response. I did pull the trigger on the 2809. The extra inputs (especially digital audio) as well as the other points you mentioned made it worth the price difference. Now, I just have to patiently wait for UPS to bring my my box! Can't wait!!





lamonsasa and webcrawlr, Actually the code I used was much better. For the 2809, enter coupon code AFLAUD25 and it took 25% off, no tax and includes shipping!! Are you kidding me???

you are welcome man! glad I could help.
And yes that coupon code is the one I was going to use thru 6ave had I gone that route. Hard to pass up, but the 24months same as cash as BB was more important to me at the time. seeing as how for me this is more like an addiction than a hobby. LOL

[Triple-X]

Originally Posted by toddRiffic

Hey taphil,

I know plex already responded and gives great advice, but I want to throw my 2 cents in. As good as the PM800's and PC1000 did sound; I felt I heard enough difference to warrant the extra money for the PM1000's and PC2000.

I know you said that you are not interested in anything more than 3.1... but it sounds like you are a fan of my favorite TV show LOST! Let me tell you, this show definitely benefits for surround speakers. Want to immerse yourself in all the detailed sounds that tell your ears that you are in the middle of the jungle? There is simply no substitute for actually having speakers in the rear of the room period. I have the def tech BP 1.2x's for my surrounds can hear the voices of "the others" whispering eerily all around the room.

i agree with both plex and todd on this one. YES there is enough of a difference to warrant the upgrade, although depending on your fiscal situation, maybe go higher than intended? more now may save you more later, instead of upgrading every year. Although I cant go 3 months without upgrading or replacing something, so Ill shut up on that now. lol

as for LOST. I CANT F&@KING WAIT!!!
This will be the first season that I have had my OWN House and HT setup that I can turn it up loud as I want, turn off DYN V/EQ and just go ALL OUT!!!
COME ON 1/22!!!!!!!!!!

[Plex]

Originally Posted by Triple-X

how do you like that harmony one? I am also thinking about that remote but have been going back and forth between it and the 890.

Happy New Year T-X.

890 has RF doesn't it, i think so. If i want IR/RF you may want to look at the URC remotes that are suppose to be much better. I did not like the button layout of thr 890 to similar to the 880, biggest complanit was the smallness of buttons and screen being not clear. If you can live without the RF the One is silly easy to use. The back-lighting is white LED and very,very clear and easy to read, remote feels solid and well balanced, screen is very nice, good color and easy to read. It is nice that it comes with charger base, still getting use to vol/channel placement they are switched on the One from the Denon, i sometimes chage channels when i wanted to change volume, no biggie. progaming is easy if you know what butons are called that you push for each command, I thought i kknew all that, so i didn't need to write down each action i do to change from Tv to PS3. Wrong, had to grab all remotes and refer to them as i did the programimg. The setup is very anal, which is fine if i knew that from the start so i could be better prepared. I am still modifing the device pages for the Denon which are displayed over 20 6-buttom pages of commands this remote displays (you can change order, move common buttons to 1st page). I still keep the old remote handy for some commands, just lasy about making changes to remote, i'd use manual to do changes vs remote for referance.

I've still on the fence about the 67A750, my plan is to sell my current TV after supper bowl, but i would like to know if the DLP-LED is still going to be made by Samsung or if they annouce a upgrade to these units. If at the CES sSamsung says there stopping the 750 line in 2009, then I'll have to see if I really want to sell. my biggest worry is this rainbow effect, I have heard that people still see this happening even though the 750 doesn't use a color wheel any more (no wheel, right?). I trust you input so could you tell me what you don't like about your set, I did this for my current set so knowing the bad or not prefect upfront is ok. Also do you see SSE (silk screen effect) or RBE?

[taphil]

I ordered the PC2000 and PM1000 two days ago from Abt. The discount going with SM450s was a bit more, but I decided to go with the PM1000 because I wanted matching speakers, the size wasn't so big, the price was lower overall, and I can use my current speaker stands. My room is only 20x12 with 8.5' ceiling, and I'll be moving in 18 months so less size and weight was better. I will sell off the old PC1000 and keep the PM800 in storage and someday use them for the rears.

In my area, there's a guy selling a brand new pair of BP-10 for $600. I'm tempted to giving it some consideration...

[Plex]

Originally Posted by taphil

I ordered the PC2000 and PM1000 two days ago from Abt. The discount going with SM450s was a bit more, but I decided to go with the PM1000 because I wanted matching speakers, the size wasn't so big, the price was lower overall, and I can use my current speaker stands. My room is only 20x12 with 8.5' ceiling, and I'll be moving in 18 months so less size and weight was better. I will sell off the old PC1000 and keep the PM800 in storage and someday use them for the rears.

In my area, there's a guy selling a brand new pair of BP-10 for $600. I'm tempted to giving it some consideration...

Look, its starting already, haven't got first set and thinking about an upgrade. when you get these speakers don't look back and stay away from this thread, if you hang around you'll spend more money and be happier but spend more money!!

Those 10's (great speaker and great deal) would be an upgrade from the 450's, if I were to upgrade that would be the way I'd go. If you are thinking about them understand that you need to set the up a bit differently then standard speakers since there are speakers from the rear also. I think you need to have them toe'ed in and away from the walls ~12", so the rear speakers can have room to reflect off back walls. They would have better bass since the cabinet is larger and that just gives fuller bass

[Plex]

Originally Posted by Triple-X

HAAAAAAAAAAA
now u f*%@ing tell us!!

LMAO

now you know I do tell people don't come back after you buy, but few listen. But i have noticed that your signature has changed and grown since we first talked, no? its the new year, so I got to play around a bit,

You know what your going to upgrade next, don't you? I see a new sub coming into view
not sure of the maker but I see this happening.