Not a joke: Sony invites Toshiba and Microsoft to join Blu-ray camp

[Robert Spalding]

Via Sirdvd.com

This Sounds funny but it isn't.

[badboi]

Do we really need two threads about this?

[schticker]

This really isn't all that unbelievable. The arrogance on the BR camp has convinced these guys that Toshiba and MS would absolutely jump at the chance if they were offered. Why would you not want to join the consortium of the best HDM format today?

[badboi]

Originally Posted by schticker

. . . The arrogance on the BR camp . . .

Pot, let me introduce you to kettle.

[chadly25]

What is the word around the campfire? Is MS and Toshiba taking this as an insult or is there any chance they would jump on board (perhaps Sony can give them 150M lol). But seriously, it would be great for everyone at this point for us to have one format regardless of which flavor is chosen. The argument as far as the FW keeping the prices down is really a non issue anymore. The disc cost won't go up from where it is now and the Chinesse will make sure to keep costs down on players. I am sure it is just wishful thinking but it would be great if these two companies could come together.

[GalvatronType_R]

Originally Posted by badboi

Pot, let me introduce you to kettle.

Please, gimme a break.

Name one instance where the HD DVD camp and DVD Forum has said that they have the superior format and the format war has been won by them. Sony and their arrogant corporate partners have railed on and on about BD already winning the war and HD DVD not being good enough or that it's last gen technology.

Also, BD is just another example in Sony's long and arrogant history of trying to foist yet another proprietary format onto the market.

[b.greenway]

Originally Posted by badboi

Pot, let me introduce you to kettle.

Are you sure you understand how that phrase is generally used?

[bigbarney]

Originally Posted by GalvatronType_R

Also, BD is just another example in Sony's long and arrogant history of trying to foist yet another proprietary format onto the market.

I'm inclined to agree here.... I smell a rat.

Sony has NEVER been known to do well at sharing the sand box.

[anttimonty]

Originally Posted by GalvatronType_R

Please, gimme a break.

Name one instance where the HD DVD camp and DVD Forum has said that they have the superior format and the format war has been won by them. Sony and their arrogant corporate partners have railed on and on about BD already winning the war and HD DVD not being good enough or that it's last gen technology.

Also, BD is just another example in Sony's long and arrogant history of trying to foist yet another proprietary format onto the market.

Didn't they say that Blu-Ray can't possibly go ahead since they had a clear headstart and then came the PS3...

There have been many article where they have said Blu-Ray doesn't stand a change not just recently

[schticker]

Originally Posted by GalvatronType_R

Please, gimme a break.

Name one instance where the HD DVD camp and DVD Forum has said that they have the superior format and the format war has been won by them. Sony and their arrogant corporate partners have railed on and on about BD already winning the war and HD DVD not being good enough or that it's last gen technology.

Also, BD is just another example in Sony's long and arrogant history of trying to foist yet another proprietary format onto the market.

Yeap, pretty much my thought on the issue as well.

I think we all can agree that Sony was the mastermind behind the other BR manufacturers pulling out of the HD DVD camp to create a different format, right? It isn't like they don't have a history of doing that. They still think that "superior specs" will win out with the average consumer, but they have been shown the 2nd place ribbon enough that one would assume they would learn.

[badboi]

Originally Posted by GalvatronType_R

Please, gimme a break.

Name one instance where the HD DVD camp and DVD Forum has said that they have the superior format and the format war has been won by them. Sony and their arrogant corporate partners have railed on and on about BD already winning the war and HD DVD not being good enough or that it's last gen technology.

Also, BD is just another example in Sony's long and arrogant history of trying to foist yet another proprietary format onto the market.

Well, I was more or less talking about some of the members here and their fan boy posts who should stay in the HD section and not piss and run in the BR forum (hint, hint). Both sides are way too arrogant for their own good and unfortunately it's turning this site into another cesspool where one has to wade through a lot of doo-doo and fanboyism to get to the other side.

[Robert Spalding]

I posted this here too because it talks about both camps and I wasn't sure if some of you go into the HD DVD forum.

[SAFOOL]

Originally Posted by GalvatronType_R

Please, gimme a break.

Name one instance where the HD DVD camp and DVD Forum has said that they have the superior format and the format war has been won by them. Sony and their arrogant corporate partners have railed on and on about BD already winning the war and HD DVD not being good enough or that it's last gen technology.

Also, BD is just another example in Sony's long and arrogant history of trying to foist yet another proprietary format onto the market.

If Blu-ray is proprietary what would you consider HD DVD? Last time I checked a lot more CE's were doing the Blu-ray thing compared to just Toshiba.

[bigbarney]

Originally Posted by badboi

Well, I was more or less talking about some of the members here and their fan boy posts who should stay in the HD section and not piss and run in the BR forum (hint, hint). Both sides are way too arrogant for their own good and unfortunately it's turning this site into another cesspool where one has to wade through a lot of doo-doo and fanboyism to get to the other side.

"cesspool???

Now come on ... that's not very neighborly!

It would help however if BD was a little more honest. One minute their saying it's a better technology and the next their saying it's the same:

From Frank Simonis, the chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association:

"Both format players use the same back-end decoders so the video and the audio is nearly similar. And I can't imagine that an optical mechanism for HD DVD and Blu-ray has a big spread in cost - the expensive part is the blue laser. Technology-wise, there is not a major difference.

http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertain...cleid=80768583

The only question in my mind is whether or not some price subsidizing is going on.... or PRICE GOUGING.

[rutlian]

I guess this what the old saying

''IF YOU CAN'T BEAT THEM JOIN THEM''


I guess BR camp realizing that HD DVD is serious about staying forever, I hope
that BR members and HD DVD members stop thinking who is winning or losing
this war. There is no war format, this is all Business.

Peter
***************************
Neutral supporter

HD DVD - 22
BLU RAY - 17
HD A2
PANNY BD10A

[khwiggins2]

Originally Posted by anttimonty

Didn't they say that Blu-Ray can't possibly go ahead since they had a clear headstart and then came the PS3...

There have been many article where they have said Blu-Ray doesn't stand a change not just recently

Links?......

I think this is a smart move on the BDA's part, they're finally ready to admit they need help.

They've already figured out how to do everything else, now they just need help to get a fully functional player and mandatory specs that their partners need to follow. The HD-DVD group should be able to help them with that.

[TheMoose]

Originally Posted by GalvatronType_R

Please, gimme a break.

Name one instance where the HD DVD camp and DVD Forum has said that they have the superior format and the format war has been won by them. Sony and their arrogant corporate partners have railed on and on about BD already winning the war and HD DVD not being good enough or that it's last gen technology.

Also, BD is just another example in Sony's long and arrogant history of trying to foist yet another proprietary format onto the market.

Sorry to burst your bubble but it's the arrogance of Toshiba & the HD-DVD group that there is even a format war at all!
Sony went to Toshiba when the development first started & offered to use the best of both in one format, but greedy arrogant Toshiba said no we want all the profits for ourselves & started the war.

[MovieSwede]

Originally Posted by TheMoose

Sorry to burst your bubble but it's the arrogance of Toshiba & the HD-DVD group that there is even a format war at all!
Sony went to Toshiba when the development first started & offered to use the best of both in one format, but greedy arrogant Toshiba said no we want all the profits for ourselves & started the war.

Source for that?

[Vinny Aquilino]

Hey,At Least They Asked.

[Vinny Aquilino]

Moose,If Sony is not developing all these formats we might not be having these discussions.

[qz3fwd]

Didnt they both have the last 5 years to be part of the BDA if they so wanted?
Is this a re-invite, kinda like the repeated "We have won the war...."

[GalvatronType_R]

Originally Posted by TheMoose

Sorry to burst your bubble but it's the arrogance of Toshiba & the HD-DVD group that there is even a format war at all!
Sony went to Toshiba when the development first started & offered to use the best of both in one format, but greedy arrogant Toshiba said no we want all the profits for ourselves & started the war.

Selective history FTW!

Toshiba did it the legit way, they went through the DVD Forum to produce HD DVD. Sony, because of its obsequious love of proprietary formats and need to control the license (therefore the profits) on the next gen optical format, came up with BD and the BDA.

Thank you, come again!

[tusloj]

Originally Posted by GalvatronType_R

Please, gimme a break.

Name one instance where the HD DVD camp and DVD Forum has said that they have the superior format and the format war has been won by them. Sony and their arrogant corporate partners have railed on and on about BD already winning the war and HD DVD not being good enough or that it's last gen technology.

Also, BD is just another example in Sony's long and arrogant history of trying to foist yet another proprietary format onto the market.

talk to amir he said every day...

[joerod]

Toshiba should ask Sony if they want to join the HD DVD camp...

[Robert Spalding]

Originally Posted by joerod

Toshiba should ask Sony if they want to join the HD DVD camp...

Sony is a member of the DVD Forum....they have to be to make DVD players. They probably already pay the fee to make HD DVD's too. Anyone help here? Is that true?

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Robert Spalding

Via Sirdvd.com

This Sounds funny but it isn't.

At least Sony is making the offer and though it is 99.999% unlikely to happen this year the attempt shows that Sony does want those companies behind Blu-ray.

Originally Posted by schticker

This really isn't all that unbelievable. The arrogance on the BR camp has convinced these guys that Toshiba and MS would absolutely jump at the chance if they were offered. Why would you not want to join the consortium of the best HDM format today?

If you have no interest in Blu-ray and only care about HD DVD why do you post in the Blu-ray sections of the forum?

Originally Posted by GalvatronType_R

Also, BD is just another example in Sony's long and arrogant history of trying to foist yet another proprietary format onto the market.

There is more support for Blu-ray than their is for HD DVD so how exactly is it more proprietary? And seriously don't even say something as absurd as "because the DVD Forum approved it" since the BDA is just as legitimate an organization. In fact the HD DVD Promotions Group is the organization which is promoting HD DVD and represents the companies that are behind it. As such if you want a good comparision you really should compare the HD DVD Promotions Group to the BDA.

Originally Posted by bigbarney

It would help however if BD was a little more honest. One minute their saying it's a better technology and the next their saying it's the same:

From Frank Simonis, the chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association:
...

Well isn't he right about the decoder since the same decoders can usually be used for either HD format? Granted he phrased that poorly but what he said looks to be right and I think he was just hinting that the Toshiba stand alone HD DVD players are most likely subsidized. Personally I think they are and that would explain why Toshiba was a one man show for HD DVD stand alone players for the first 16 months after HD DVD was released.

Originally Posted by GalvatronType_R

Toshiba did it the legit way, they went through the DVD Forum to produce HD DVD.

LOL, last I checked both ways are "legit" and the DVD Forum was simply made to help standarize DVD. There is no requirement to join it nor is there any requirement to support any of the formats even if you are a member of it.

Originally Posted by Robert Spalding

Sony is a member of the DVD Forum....they have to be to make DVD players. They probably already pay the fee to make HD DVD's too. Anyone help here? Is that true?

Of course not. They can only charge you for royalties if you make products that use those royalties.

[Robert Spalding]

Here's the part I think that really sticks in people's craw:

"We believe consumers are smart enough to realise the benefits and pay the extra accordingly."

[schticker]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

If you have no interest in Blu-ray and only care about HD DVD why do you post in the Blu-ray sections of the forum?

OK, let's do this.

I absolutely care about the future and success of Blu-ray. The problem is that the people that give the format a bad name are the fanbois that continue to spew relentless levels of FUD and BS, citing "features and benefits" of BR that are either non-existent, irrelevant, or so far in the future as to be irrelevant.

These are the people that need the education, not those in the HD camp. Period. It has been repeatedly proven that BR folks are the ones making the childish and often conspiracy-laden attacks and accusations that border on the ridiculous. Hence the name I've given them: Code Blue (in the spirit of the wacko Code Pink posse).

Introspection is what's needed.

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Robert Spalding

Here's the part I think that really sticks in people's craw:

"We believe consumers are smart enough to realise the benefits and pay the extra accordingly."

That certainly irritates the HD DVD supporters who think that their format is equal/better than Blu-ray. For those who believe that Blu-ray is a better video format though that doesn't sound quite as bad though was pretty poorly said. Think of it this way. EVD was the cheapest HD format released but did that make it the best HD format? No, and in much the same way though Toshiba does sell their HD DVD players at a lower price I personally believe that Blu-ray is a better video format. Also that quote has absolutely nothing to do with the article you originally posted so why did you bring it up?

Originally Posted by schticker

OK, let's do this.

I absolutely care about the future and success of Blu-ray. The problem is that the people that give the format a bad name are the fanbois that continue to spew relentless levels of FUD and BS, citing "features and benefits" of BR that are either non-existent, irrelevant, or so far in the future as to be irrelevant.

That is your personal opinion and how you view those who disagree with your opinion is to say the least interesting.

Originally Posted by schticker

These are the people that need the education, not those in the HD camp. Period.

Nonsense, there are posters on both sides of this format war that don't really understand the benefits/negatives of both HD formats. And even when they do understand them they might still disagree based on which factors they consider important.

Originally Posted by schticker

It has been repeatedly proven that BR folks are the ones making the childish and often conspiracy-laden attacks and accusations that border on the ridiculous.

Are you really going to claim that when I have seen conspiracy theories like this one made against the BDA? Also how can you even claim that it has been "repeatedly proven" that only "BR folks" engage in behavior like that when I have seen such behavior by posters on both sides of this format war? In fact personally speaking I have seen more bad behavior on the HD DVD side though to be fair I spend most of my time in threads dealing with Blu-ray.

Originally Posted by schticker

Hence the name I've given them: Code Blue (in the spirit of the wacko Code Pink posse).

So just to get this straight you criticize "BR folks" for childish attacks and than you give them a name like that?

Originally Posted by schticker

Introspection is what's needed.

Sure, but I would mention that personal introspection shouldn't be used to simply reinforce your own personal opinions but instead should be used to examine what your personal opinions are based on and what the personal opinions of other people might be based on.

[schticker]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

EVD was the cheapest HD format released but did that make it the best HD format? No, and in much the same way though Toshiba does sell their HD DVD players at a lower price I personally believe that Blu-ray is a better video format.

The two aren't even close in comparison; only that in the absence of EVD, HD now is the least-expensive option.

That is your personal opinion and how you view those who disagree with your opinion is to say the least interesting.

People who I am discussing know who they are. It seems that although I am neutral, I repeatedly see BR children ranting video game forum style, with HD folks on the defensive (which unfortunately results in some bad behavior on their own.) Point stands.

Nonsense, there are posters on both sides of this format war that don't really understand the benefits/negatives of both HD formats. And even when they do understand them they might still disagree based on which factors they consider important.

I agree, but the degree in variance is what's being discussed here. If anything, I see rampant confusion over the BR format from supporters and detractors alike, because the consortium's marketing/business decisions have been confusing and slightly anti-consumer at almost every turn.

Are you really going to claim that when I have seen conspiracy theories like this one made against the BDA?

Of course you will see things like this (nature of the beast), but the frequency is again what is being addressed here. Also, one could argue that these posts are mocking BR.com forum-type threads, but that is a different subject.

Also how can you even claim that it has been "repeatedly proven" that only "BR folks" engage in behavior like that when I have seen such behavior by posters on both sides of this format war? In fact personally speaking I have seen more bad behavior on the HD DVD side though to be fair I spend most of my time in threads dealing with Blu-ray.

You need to read more.

So just to get this straight you criticize "BR folks" for childish attacks and than you give them a name like that?

Childish antics, childish moniker. Fits wonderfully IMO.

Sure, but I would mention that personal introspection shouldn't be used to simply reinforce your own personal opinions but instead should be used to examine what your personal opinions are based on and what the personal opinions of other people might be based on.

All I do is read and report. Don't shoot the messenger.