Is plasma going away?

[cjrenick]

I thought I had figured it out and was going to go plasma over LCD.
Then, I went into a high end av store today and the guy tells me they only have a couple plasmas in stock and due to all of the problems they have had with them they will not be stocking them any more. He also said that in 3-5 yrs there will be no plasmas made. Anybody hear of this.

Thanks

[Totalimmortal]

Next time you hear that, chop the person in the throat

[doctorxring]

What do you think someone that doesn't stock (very many)
plasma TV's is going to say ?

You sell what you have.

dxr

p.s. His statement is Bullicum Shiticum

[creemail]

Eventually, LCD will be the preferred choice for most viewers, but for the best picture right now plasma is my choice. To answer your question and I hate to say it, but LCD will over take plasma within the flat panel market. One big reason is the B&M stores, pushing 1080p on LCDs and convincing customers that LCDs look better right now over plasma.

Chris

[Viper129]

I went through three sharp 72U LCDs and gave up and went with the Panny PZ700 and the picture is amazing!

With Sharp I had banding issues, Black crush which is where a dark scene in a movie the black would just wash everything out. It also looked grainy.

I then checked out other LCDs and they have clouding issues, green plush issues, signal drops, list goes on.

My guess LCD will be the TV of choice at some point just not today. The way I see it they are pumping out so many LCDs since they broke the 37inch barrier that the quality isn't there and each model seems to have it's own set of issues.

Sony has a nice LCD but they are still way to over priced.

[brentsg]

Originally Posted by cjrenick

I thought I had figured it out and was going to go plasma over LCD.
Then, I went into a high end av store today and the guy tells me they only have a couple plasmas in stock and due to all of the problems they have had with them they will not be stocking them any more. He also said that in 3-5 yrs there will be no plasmas made. Anybody hear of this.

Thanks

If in 3-5 years the LCDs have finally surpassed plasmas in picture quality then it should go away. That being said I'm not holding my breath.

I do think that right now LCDs are a great choice for many people in many situations.

Anyways I'm not sure what bearing "5 years from now" has on what's available now. I bought a Pioneer Elite RPCRT way back and enjoyed the hell out of it. I can't buy one now, but the new Kuros are the first thing I've considered replacing it with.

[RichGuy]

LCD's will need to improve a lot before they will look better than a plasma does today. Of coarse plasma displays are improving as well... so only time will tell. I am all for improvement but for now LCD's don't interest me at all.

[Cleveland Plasma]

^^^^ I agree, I do like the look of all flat panels though. They are all winners to some degree.

[creemail]

That is why Pioneer and Sharp collided ideas. It simply makes sense to me...

Chris

[Fresh Fish]

Originally Posted by Totalimmortal

Next time you hear that, chop the person in the throat

LOL Do you prefer a forehand or backhand for that strike?!!

[Nmlobo]

The salesman has most likely read some of the articles identified in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=832903

[PhilipsPhanatic]

Plasma has one major new disadvantage that it didn't previousley: cost disadvantage. For some technical reason, the cost advantage of plasma turns 180-degrees when it comes to 1080p technology. Maybe somebody can explain why this is so but since we are going to 1080p and plasma's saving grace (well one of them) was cheaper than LCD, this is a major problem 1-2 years out.

[Nmlobo]

1080 has 1.15 million more pixels than 720. There is your cost driver.

[TNG]

Plasma is not going away for at least the next 10 years or so. There is to much time, money and even emotion invested in it and as some companies pull out due to shrinking profits, some companies will absorb the rest and continue on.

The fact that a 1080 plasma cost allot compared to a "standard" model should come as no suprise. The places that make them are getting the price that they want and will continue to get it thanks to a hardcore fan base. IMO I think that they were caught a bit off guard by the 1080 LCD flood that came into the market, and were forced to develop the product to compete.

[xrox]

I think that one of the biggest problems for Plasma TVs has been poor marketing. My friends, relatives, and co-workers all come to me when they want to buy a TV and when I recommend Plasma to them every single one of them starts spouting out myths and misconceptions.

Doesn't Plasma only last a couple of years?
Doesn't Plasma burn in if you pause an movie?
Doesn't Plasma use 10 times the power as an LCD?
Isn't Plasma a lower resolution than LCD?

The fact that these misconceptions still remain in the public minds is alarming and if Plasma does die off then I think poor marketing will be a big reason why.......

[D-Nice]

Originally Posted by PhilipsPhanatic

Plasma has one major new disadvantage that it didn't previousley: cost disadvantage. For some technical reason, the cost advantage of plasma turns 180-degrees when it comes to 1080p technology. Maybe somebody can explain why this is so but since we are going to 1080p and plasma's saving grace (well one of them) was cheaper than LCD, this is a major problem 1-2 years out.

I guess you never heard of 10 lumen tech that Panasonic, Pioneer and Hitachi will introduce next year.

[greenland]

I went into a bicycle shop, and the sales clerk told me that gasoline engines were going away in the coming years, and he offered as proof that all they stocked were bicycles!.

I then went into an automobile dealer and said that I wanted to take a look at the lines of bicycles that they carried. Guess what he said!

[tower101]

Originally Posted by greenland

I went into a bicycle shop, and the sales clerk told me that gasoline engines were going away in the coming years, and he offered as proof that all they stocked were bicycles!.

I then went into an automobile dealer and said that I wanted to take a look at the lines of bicycles that they carried. Guess what he said!

I wounder what the blacksmith said around 100 years or so ago when some one said the car was going to replace the horse.

With that said IMHO PDPs are not going anywhere just yet as you need some thing to replace them first and as of right now we don't.

[greenland]

Originally Posted by tower101

I wounder what the blacksmith said around 100 years or so ago when some one said the car was going to replace the horse.

With that said IMHO PDPs are not going anywhere just yet as you need some thing to replace them first and as of right now we don't.

I don't know what a blacksmith said a hundred years ago, but horses have not disappeared, despite a century of cars. Some people still use horses , even for transportation. The Amish comes to mind. They do seem to avoid massive traffic jams, and road rage, and they also obtain a by product which allows them to grow those organic foods which more people appear to want. Consumer warning: If you wish to grow organic vegetables, you must use the real thing and not be fooled into thinking that you can fertilize your crops with political horse shite!.

[AlexInvision]

Originally Posted by cjrenick

I thought I had figured it out and was going to go plasma over LCD.
Then, I went into a high end av store today and the guy tells me they only have a couple plasmas in stock and due to all of the problems they have had with them they will not be stocking them any more. He also said that in 3-5 yrs there will be no plasmas made. Anybody hear of this.

Thanks

He either was new and didn't know what he was talking about or because they have more LCD's than Plasmas and make more on selling them he told something he thought would presuade you to buy an lcd.

[tower101]

Originally Posted by greenland

I don't know what a blacksmith said a hundred years ago, but horses have not disappeared, despite a century of cars. Some people still use horses , even for transportation. The Amish comes to mind. They do seem to avoid massive traffic jams, and road rage, and they also obtain a by product which allows them to grow those organic foods which more people appear to want. Consumer warning: If you wish to grow organic vegetables, you must use the real thing and not be fooled into thinking that you can fertilize your crops with political horse shite!.

So you don't think the car has replaced the horse LOL you are the only one, even the Amish would admit that, just there beliefs don't let them use one.

My neighbor has a horse but have not seen him ride it to work lately in-fact he can't even if he had the mind to as you can't ride a horse on city streets without a permit (at-least where I live)

[greenland]

Originally Posted by tower101

So you don't think the car has replaced the horse LOL you are the only one, even the Amish would admit that, just there beliefs don't let them use one.

My neighbor has a horse but have not seen him ride it to work lately in-fact he can't even if he had the mind to as you can't ride a horse on city streets without a permit (at-least where I live)

No it has not replace the horse. The car is a mechanical devise, and not a natural animal, any more than one can claim that planes have replaced birds. Now if you want to claim that cars have vastly reduced the demand for the horse buggy then you will be making the right comparison. Do not compare your horse apples with your your horse oranges.

The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home. Holy crap look at all those little guys, clad in bright silks, whipping the crap out of those automobiles!.

[greenland]

As for the OT, about the claim that plasmas are going away within three to five years, an extract from this Displaysearch report would tend to show the exact opposite.

http://www.displaysearch.com/press/index.html?id=1548



"Despite the overall PDP decline, there was growth at 50"+ and rapid growth in 1080p panels. The 50"+ share of PDP panel shipments continued to increase, rising from 29% in Q1'07 to 31% in Q2'07 on an 8% Q/Q increase and is expected to reach a 34% share in Q3'07 as PDP suppliers continue to shift their focus to larger sizes due to 42" share losses to LCDs. There was also a dramatic increase in 1080p panel shipments, up 545% to 169K panels with 1080p penetration rising from 1.1% to 7.3%. The increase in 1080p shipments and improved supply should improve their competitive position against LCDs."

[tower101]

Ya it did not replace the horse.

I thought you where smart enough to realise I was talking about mode of transportation, guess not.

[greenland]

Originally Posted by tower101

Ya it did not replace the horse.

I thought you where smart enough to realise I was talking about mode of transportation, guess not.

Just having a bit of fun with you. I knew what you meant, but it actual is still more myth than reality. Horses were used as beasts of burden, such as pulling delivery wagons, farm ploughing etc. A small portion of the upper class owned horse and buggy transportation. Most poor people did not. If you were not landed gentry with servants, who could look after the stables for you, you did not own a horse and buggy. Walking or shank's mare as it was called was the main mode of getting around, and then along came the mass use of bicycles, which we all know led to people no longer learning to walk.. I am afraid if the LCD onslaught succeeds, plasmas may well go the way of horses and human feet.

[Locastor]

Originally Posted by xrox

I think that one of the biggest problems for Plasma TVs has been poor marketing. My friends, relatives, and co-workers all come to me when they want to buy a TV and when I recommend Plasma to them every single one of them starts spouting out myths and misconceptions.

Haha, this is what my college roommate said to me too. Funny, because I got the tech job and he thinks Bose makes good speakers

[AlexInvision]

Originally Posted by Locastor

Haha, this is what my college roommate said to me too. Funny, because I got the tech job and he thinks Bose makes good speakers

I hear that, people will believe anything they hear and it's funny when your own family doesn't even believe you. Some people I have talked to thought plasma was already gone.

[PGHammer]

In *North America*, unless your primary viewing source for HD content is *not* broadcast content (this includes cable and satellite content) 1080p is not, and shouldn't be, a primary determining factor in which FP technology you should consider, as nothing is going to obviate 1080i anywhere in the Western Hemisphere anytime soon (simply for technical reasons). Also, quite honestly, on any TV optimized for any sort of HD*standard*, HD will destroy SD, even when both resolutions are interlaced. (This is rather easily provable every Sunday night if you have an NBC-owned or affiliated station that broadcasts the "Football Night in America" pregame show, as it's one of two national OTA sports-studio shows broadcast in 1080i on a weekly basis; CBS' "The NFL Today" being the other. Where I live, my station I use as an example is NBC-owned WRC-TV/DT in Washington, DC; I have been able to completely factor the antenna out of the equation altogether, as I get the signal via Comcast of Prince George's County, MD; this is a 750 MHz ADS cable plant. Therefore, in each case, the signal is, quite literally, the best possible: 256QAM. The limitations of 480i are quite apparent when compared head-up to 1080i, even with studio shots; quite naturally, live action makes a comparison even more lopsided.)
However, such a comparison is usually quite impossible when dealing with 1080p source material, as there are two different 1080p *standards* extant, and it's usually quite impossible to know *which* 1080p standard is in use. Further exacerbating the issue is that a set optimized for one 1080p standard will suffer trade-offs when displaying the other 1080p standard, due to the nature of such optimization, let alone the display of 1080i, even though there is but a single standard for 1080i.

[berto01]

Originally Posted by xrox

I think that one of the biggest problems for Plasma TVs has been poor marketing. My friends, relatives, and co-workers all come to me when they want to buy a TV and when I recommend Plasma to them every single one of them starts spouting out myths and misconceptions.

Doesn't Plasma only last a couple of years?
Doesn't Plasma burn in if you pause an movie?
Doesn't Plasma use 10 times the power as an LCD?
Isn't Plasma a lower resolution than LCD?

The fact that these misconceptions still remain in the public minds is alarming and if Plasma does die off then I think poor marketing will be a big reason why.......

Amen on that! Ive been in the business for 6 years now and their isnt a day that goes by that I do not hear one of those questions when I go and show them a plasma tv. The sad thing is when I explain them the answer they look at me crazy and tell me " well my brothers uncle's cousin told me not to get plasma, that I needed a 1080p set." And I will sell them a 1080p set 95 percent of the time.

[GI Joe Sixpack]

Originally Posted by PGHammer

In *North America*, unless your primary viewing source for HD content is *not* broadcast content (this includes cable and satellite content) 1080p is not, and shouldn't be, a primary determining factor in which FP technology you should consider, as nothing is going to obviate 1080i anywhere in the Western Hemisphere anytime soon (simply for technical reasons).

Why do you think viewing 1080i does not factor into the decision? Of course it does, as a good set will de-interlace the 1080i to 1080p (yes, yes, many of them don't do it properly, which is why I said "good"). See: herrings, red.

Also, quite honestly, on any TV optimized for any sort of HD*standard*, HD will destroy SD, even when both resolutions are interlaced.

There's a perfect word in response to this: duh! You have a fine talent for stating the obvious.

Further exacerbating the issue...

That's an awfully big word. Let me get my dictionary...