What would you like to see in next year's (2008) flat panel displays?

[ChuckZ]

Personally, I would like to see the following improvements:

• 120Hz panels with 5:5 pulldown (presuming it can accept 1080p24 source)
• 1080p resolution across the range of large (40-42+) panel sizes by default (it seems 720p panels are moving out of style)
• Better energy efficiency (key for plasmas)
• Fewer measures needed to prevent image retention (I don't want this break-in crap)
• Better motion handling and response times (primarily for LCDs)
• Better video processing
• CableCard 2.0 ready hosts
• More user menu tweaks to play with
• Lower prices (large plasmas are becoming way more affordable than large LCDs)
• Better black levels on LCDs

I know this sounds a bit optimistic, but I think the technology is in reach. If there is something you'd like to see, please mention it.

[andy sullivan]

How about a Pioneer 6080 and a Panasonic 58px77u.

[greenland]

It doesn't matter what consumers would like to see in 2008. The product designs have already been completed, and the major manufacturers will be showing them at the CES in early January.
There are supposed to be major energy and processing improvements in the next Pioneer, Panasonic and Hitachi plasmas. There should be some important developments on the LCD LED displays also.

[ChuckZ]

Originally Posted by greenland

It doesn't matter what consumers would like to see in 2008. The product designs have already been completed, and the major manufacturers will be showing them at the CES in early January.
There are supposed to be major energy and processing improvements in the next Pioneer, Panasonic and Hitachi plasmas. There should be some important developments on the LCD LED displays also.

What specifically have you heard?

Would Pioneer already have their designs finalized even though they typically have a late product launch?

[greenland]

Originally Posted by ChuckZ

What specifically have you heard?

Would Pioneer already have their designs finalized even though they typically have a late product launch?

Of course none of the manufacturers are going to make official announcements before the holiday sales. That might hurt sales of current 2007 panel inventory.

Pioneer, Panasonic and Hitachi formed and alliance to improve the over all performance of plasmas. They are supposed to introduce what they are calling 10-lumen breakthroughs in their 2008 lines. They should demonstrate the 2008 line at the the CES in early January 2008.

Word is that the 10-lumen will allow them to greatly increase the brightness levels of the panels, and also make considerable reductions in the energy used, which will also make them run far cooler than current plasma panels. Pioneer will keep their patented Kuro deep black contrast figures, and Panasonic is supposed to have developed their own method of improving their black levels to close to the Pioneer Kuro levels. In addition, all three companies are reported to have worked out how to greatly reduce the manufacturing steps, which will allow them to make large cuts in their MSRP.

CES is not that far off. Stay tuned.


http://www.advanced-pdp.jp/fpd/english.html

[scottanthony]

Originally Posted by greenland

Of course none of the manufacturers are going to make official announcements before the holiday sales. That might hurt sales of current 2007 panel inventory.

Pioneer, Panasonic and Hitachi formed and alliance to improve the over all performance of plasmas. They are supposed to introduce what they are calling 10-lumen breakthroughs in their 2008 lines. They should demonstrate the 2008 line at the the CES in early January 2008.

Word is that the 10-lumen will allow them to greatly increase the brightness levels of the panels, and also make considerable reductions in the energy used, which will also make them run far cooler than current plasma panels. Pioneer will keep their patented Kuro deep black contrast figures, and Panasonic is supposed to have developed their own method of improving their black levels to close to the Pioneer Kuro levels. In addition, all three companies are reported to have worked out how to greatly reduce the manufacturing steps, which will allow them to make large cuts in their MSRP.

CES is not that far off. Stay tuned.

Oh please don't tell me that...after I just blew a bunch of $$ on a new set!

[tower101]

Originally Posted by scottanthony

Oh please don't tell me that...after I just blew a bunch of $$ on a new set!

LOL there is ALWAYS something better coming out.

[greenland]

Originally Posted by scottanthony

Oh please don't tell me that...after I just blew a bunch of $$ on a new set!

Sorry. Did not intend to upset new owners. My rule of thumb is I never read about upcoming developments after I have just bought an expensive new toy. Think of it like putting on a wedding ring. One should immediately stop going to single bars!

[bryananderson]

Originally Posted by greenland

Of course none of the manufacturers are going to make official announcements before the holiday sales. That might hurt sales of current 2007 panel inventory.

Pioneer, Panasonic and Hitachi formed and alliance to improve the over all performance of plasmas. They are supposed to introduce what they are calling 10-lumen breakthroughs in their 2008 lines. They should demonstrate the 2008 line at the the CES in early January 2008.

Word is that the 10-lumen will allow them to greatly increase the brightness levels of the panels, and also make considerable reductions in the energy used, which will also make them run far cooler than current plasma panels. Pioneer will keep their patented Kuro deep black contrast figures, and Panasonic is supposed to have developed their own method of improving their black levels to close to the Pioneer Kuro levels. In addition, all three companies are reported to have worked out how to greatly reduce the manufacturing steps, which will allow them to make large cuts in their MSRP.

CES is not that far off. Stay tuned.


http://www.advanced-pdp.jp/fpd/english.html

Greenland - I would really like to better understand 08 Elite direction given that I have been waiting 3 years for my first HDTV & this will be a 15 year TV like current 60" Mitsu.

Given postings copied from 11G Panny thread:
- Next year models from Panasonic, Pioneer, and Hitachi will start using "10 lumen tech". They will be cheaper to produce, use less energy and be brighter. I would call that a huge leap over current plasmas...including the Kuro.

In combination with another post summay: 08 Pio would offer lower power &2-way cable card. (Do not remember brighter?)

* * Can anyone please advise the following based on good source knowledge if possible:

1) Will I see a brightness difference in 08 that is worth waiting for or just lower power?
(Just saw 07 150 @ BB & it was phenomenal.)

2) Will 10 lumens in 08 offer lower power, and/or buy reliability/longer life due to less heat and/or something else related to lower power?

3) I have been waiting on 2-way cable card since I tend to believe Elite tuners should be better than current dated Comcast Moto HD boxes & I want pay-per-view.
- Can I assume better tuner in Elite w cable card vs. Moto HD box & better picture?
- Do you agree cable card should offer best Comcast HDTV vs. Moto HD Box?
- Can you please verify this 2-way will be in 08 Elites?
- Any known issue w Comcast to delay 2-way card availability next year (if known)?

4) Does note on "major energy and Processor Improvements" imply new processor when they just did a single chip ASIC vs. 06 6x chip solution?

5) Would you connect Moto box via HDMI or component w 20' run under house up wall?

6) If component, would you route via older Integra 7.1 receiver (45MHz switching)?
- Any picture Quality Reduction vs. direct to TV via HDMI.

I plan to go buy 150 now if I will not see a difference in brightness in 08 and if we will have to wait until 09 for the 10 lumens tech to be demonstrated in anything you can actually see (ie better picture), and 08 will only lower power and price.

Thanks for yours or anyone's anticipated support.

[greenland]

So far, every thing being promised for the 2008 products is unofficial, so you will just have to wait until the CES in January to get answers to your specific questions. It has been claimed that the 10-lumen in 2008 models will make a significant improvement in the brightness levels. I am waiting to see, since I am going to be installing solar panels in the Spring, and I want to take a hard look at finding the most energy efficient panels that will be on the market next year. I hope that what is being promised, will be delivered.

I can not tell you if you should wait or not. Each person's circumstances are different. Good luck with your next purchase.

[rsbeck]

I'd like to see a 70" Pioneer 1080p with the same high quality picture we're seeing with the Kuros.

[xb1032]

That's one thing I've always thought needed to be improved in plasmas is the brightness levels. The Kuro is not excluded from that. It'd be nice if the black levels could even take another step forward. And I thought someone posted on this forum somewhere of a 75" Pioneer. Man with all those combined with the right price would be incredible!

[CMRA]

Originally Posted by ChuckZ

Personally, I would like to see the following improvements:

• 120Hz panels with 5:5 pulldown (presuming it can accept 1080p24 source)
• 1080p resolution across the range of large (40-42+) panel sizes by default (it seems 720p panels are moving out of style)
• Better energy efficiency (key for plasmas)
• Fewer measures needed to prevent image retention (I don't want this break-in crap)
• Better motion handling and response times (primarily for LCDs)
• Better video processing
• CableCard 2.0 ready hosts
• More user menu tweaks to play with
• Lower prices (large plasmas are becoming way more affordable than large LCDs)
• Better black levels on LCDs

I know this sounds a bit optimistic, but I think the technology is in reach. If there is something you'd like to see, please mention it.

How about BIG affordable OLED products? Yeah, I know...2010...maybe.

[mattg3]

Im waiting till 2008 for my pioneer upgrade and threads like this make the waiting easier.Hope someone in the know starts a ces new product thread soon.

[BIG ED]

Originally Posted by xb1032

It'd be nice if the black levels could even take another step forward.

That's blackward, NOT forward!

Would like to see:
a new display at my place! I'm SICK of waiting...

Stuff in the OP
&
RGB LCD BL
denser BL areas

I think the prices a GREAT now & the technology is GOOD.
Hoping '08 sees prices continuing to drop, as well as, technology improving!

Best to all!

[Enigma]

LCD which accepts 1080p/24 with 5:5 pulldown (120 hz). In addition further improvements on black frame insertion, interpolated frames, etc to smooth reponse and continue to improve motion handling.

Further improvements in uniformity, lack of banding, clouding, etc. Better black levels, cr.

Cable card slot (2 way if possible). More empahsis on larger sizes at competive prices (aprox 60").

As far as plasma; larger Kuro's (70").

[willyolio]

introduction of OLEDs
introduction of more OLEDs
competition and subsequent price reductions, size increases, etc.

cheaper LED-backlit LCDs.

[Enigma]

Yeah, I completely forgot about LED lcd flat panel. The local dimming idea with a much larger number of dimmable "sectors" would be great for LCD. The current Sammy 81 has the led local dimmable led's; but it's only dimmable in fairly large blocks.