HD Disk (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) EE and DNR list

mhafner · 04-25-09, 05:20 AM

Added "Final Destination".

Kram Sacul · 04-25-09, 06:34 AM

If Final Destination on BD is the same master seen on HDTV then there's also some EE in spots.

mhafner · 05-11-09, 05:42 PM

Added T2 Skynet Edition, The Reader and Star Trek 1-6.

lgans316 · 05-11-09, 07:36 PM

Looks like the Skynet edition looks waxy, polished and ultra clean like the BLUE Sky above our heads. Lionsgate have reached the Sky w.r to T2 and they are yet to figure out how to fly properly.

mhafner · 05-12-09, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lgans316

Looks like the Skynet edition looks waxy, polished and ultra clean like the BLUE Sky above our heads. Lionsgate have reached the Sky w.r to T2 and they are yet to figure out how to fly properly.

Since a new transfer is coming later and there is a good version of the old it's not a big deal. The Star Trek screw up is far more annoying.

lgans316 · 05-12-09, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mhafner

Since a new transfer is coming later and there is a good version of the old it's not a big deal. The Star Trek screw up is far more annoying.

But the Motion Picture Trilogy caps looks quite good which is a relief.

Btw, how is the PQ on the new Ayngaran release Billa?

mhafner · 05-13-09, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

But the Motion Picture Trilogy caps looks quite good which is a relief.
Btw, how is the PQ on the new Ayngaran release Billa?

Same as on the DI. DNRed to some extent. Part of the DI.

lgans316 · 05-13-09, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mhafner

Same as on the DI. DNRed to some extent. Part of the DI.

That's fine. Please clarify on the below w.r to the Ayngaran BLUs:

1. The audio on the back cover says LPCM 6.4 Mbps.

Is it 6.9 Mbps?
2. Is the frame rate 24fps or 23.976fps?

mhafner · 05-15-09, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

That's fine. Please clarify on the below w.r to the Ayngaran BLUs:

1. The audio on the back cover says LPCM 6.4 Mbps.

Is it 6.9 Mbps?
2. Is the frame rate 24fps or 23.976fps?

I don't have this disc. What I know is from
http://www.zulm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10862

patrick99 · 05-15-09, 05:26 PM

Is there any chance of moving this thread to the Blu-ray software forum?

eric.exe · 05-16-09, 01:09 PM

Some jaggies on STVI since it was derived from a 1080i60 master:

Comment from Torsten Kaiser: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...postcount=5512

mhafner · 06-07-09, 07:24 AM

Added "ll Decameron".

lgans316 · 06-24-09, 01:58 AM

Title: Billa (2007)
Studio: Ayngaran
Disc: BD
Problem: Jaggies / Aliasing, Halos, 24fps
Time Codes: Whole movie
Comments:

(1) Probably an incorrect filtering job from the DI causing aliasing type artifacts and moire patterns.

(2) Noticeable halos at high contrast outlines.

(3) Mastered in 24fps instead of the standard 23.976fps.

BD looks to be very accurate or even better than its theatrical presentation.

Before updating the OP, please verify with Shahran at zulm.net. Otherwise, the image looks flawless. No DNR. Everything looks razor sharp including facial details.

URLs:

Sivaji- There is some DNR but it's not that bad and not even remotely close to any wax jobs.

msgohan · 07-16-09, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lgans316

Title: Disturbia
Studio: DreamWorks
Disc: BD (U.S.A)
Problem: DNR
Time Codes: Most parts of the movie
Comments: Grain removal up to a point where texture and facial close-up details are on the verge of becoming soft and waxy (similar to MPEG-2 version of The Descent.)

Member msgohan will be able to provide screenshots.

I finally got around to this.

As we know, the HD DVD used a separate lower bitrate AVC encode compared to the 32Mbps Blu-ray. The HD DVD has a much higher DNR level, including motion trails all over the place. It's tough to compare the deleted scenes to the movie thanks to the brightness and color differences, but I do think the Blu-ray is somewhat grain-reduced as well. Not the motion-trail kind, thankfully.

The first set of pics is actually Blu-ray vs HD DVD vs Blu-ray deleted scene vs HD DVD deleted scene, because they encoded the extras twice as well... The Blu-ray appears grainier in both cases.

Spoiler

msgohan · 07-30-09, 09:40 PM

I've posted pics of the DNR'd UK HD DVD of Pan's Labyrinth vs DNR-free Blu-ray if you want to add the link to the OP: http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/10547

John J. Puccio · 08-01-09, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by msgohan

I've posted pics of the DNR'd UK HD DVD of Pan's Labyrinth vs DNR-free Blu-ray if you want to add the link to the OP: http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/10547

Is this a UK Blu-ray that's not DNR filtered or a U.S. release?

msgohan · 08-02-09, 07:30 AM

It's just the 2007 UK release by Optimum Home Entertainment.

Gamereviewgod · 08-10-09, 08:31 PM

Miss March looks filtered.

IMDB lists it as being filmed on 35MM, but my initial thought was that it was done entirely in digital. The look reminded me of Splinter, very flat and bland. That was shot digitally.

Lots of flickering and aliasing on roofs and hair in Miss March. Very little facial detail. Didn't notice any smearing, but the lack of grain and facial detail seems to be a giveaway, unless IMDB has its tech specs wrong (always a possibility). A lot of noise in the movie too.

Gamereviewgod · 08-10-09, 10:55 PM

Should have noted it in my previous post, but just noticed it was not on the list. Battle of Britain has edge enhancement throughout, at its worse when looking up at planes in the sky (multiple times in the film). The film grain literally stops dead and a bright line circles the planes. Decent transfer otherwise.

mhafner · 08-13-09, 08:12 AM

DNR done right:
http://www.arri.de/fileadmin/media/a...ball_split.mov

esl88 · 08-20-09, 08:38 PM

The Good the Bad and the Ugly has been reputedly DNRd by MGM. Most Blu-ray "reviewers" seem pleased with the transfer, but those with a discerning eye have expressed much disappointment.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...355&position=3 (ugh!)
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...355&position=4
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...355&position=7
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...355&position=1

Additionally, Fargo has some pretty thick EE throughout. The snow-covered setting brings out ugly haloes durring day exteriors, and what should be filmic grain looks more like a swarm of intrusive noise. Needless to say, the final results are not film-like.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...352&position=7 (check out the the officer to the left)
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...352&position=2
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...352&position=5

2 Strikes for MGM.

esl88 · 08-20-09, 09:03 PM

Also, please put Office Space up there. I've seen that disk and can say without any doubt in my mind that it's been DNRd. At some points small moles (apparently mistaken for dirt/grain) disappear momentarily.

Gamereviewgod · 08-20-09, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esl88

Also, please put Office Space up there. I've seen that disk and can say without any doubt in my mind that it's been DNRd. At some points small moles (apparently mistaken for dirt/grain) disappear momentarily.

I would definitely agree with that. Very flat and waxy faces with almost no grain to speak of.

Kram Sacul · 08-21-09, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mhafner

DNR done right:
http://www.arri.de/fileadmin/media/a...ball_split.mov

Would've been better if some grain was left in. For me the completely smooth look is just as distracting as heavy grain.

This clip looks okay to me although her hair has that painted look from the processing.

msgohan · 08-21-09, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kram Sacul

Would've been better if some grain was left in. For me the completely smooth look is just as distracting as heavy grain.

This clip looks okay to me although her hair has that painted look from the processing.

Agreed. Complete lack of grain/noise really pops out as unnatural for film and even digital video IMO.

mhafner · 08-23-09, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msgohan

Agreed. Complete lack of grain/noise really pops out as unnatural for film and even digital video IMO.

There is nothing unnatural about the lack of noise/grain per se. The processing artifacts are unnatural. If there are none it's just a look like grainy is a look.
If they remove grain it should be done like here. With no nasty side effects. How much they remove the film makers have to decide.
I have seen this stuff in 4K projection and it's damn good
Added "Gladiator". That is a huge screw up...

BIG ED · 09-28-09, 03:32 PM

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Last edited by mhafner; 08-28-09 at 01:51 AM..

Looking forward for the next update too this extremely helpful/enlightening thread.
BIG thanks, again!

Brian81 · 12-17-09, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian81

Same here, the BD just looks brightened based on the screencaps. If anything, the stills on that page make the BD look better IMO. It's not a big difference like the stills comparison of Total Recall. I went ahead and ordered Total Recall, even if it has the pitch issue. Perhaps it won't bother me too much. Either way, I already own the BD and I'll keep both. I also ordered Basic Instinct. The trailers on the Studio Canal HD DVDs have footage from this and it has grain. So if the BD (which I plan to order also) does have details DNRed out, I'll be keeping both once again. But those caps for First Blood don't make me want to go out and order the HD DVD. They look the same but with different brightness. And Rambo II & III are said to be fine in the PQ department according to Igans, I think.

I take this back. I watched the pitch problem HD DVD and followed it up by throwing in the BD afterwards. The Lionsgate BD is indeed waxy looking compared to the HD DVD. I might need to triple dip after reading that the BD equivalent of the HD DVD has the audio fixed.

FendersRule · 01-04-10, 08:16 PM

I'd like to disagree with "A Nightmare on Elm Street". Sure, there is minor DNR in some scenes, but not "throughout entire movie". The image is fantastic to say the least, and the audio is enticing. I would rate this transfer no less than a 4.5/5 for both audio and video, with the audio slightly given the lead.

I have the newest DVD release of this movie, and it looks fuggin disgusting. Blurriness, scratches everywhere, and the audio isn't clean at all. The Canadian Blu-ray release of this movie is phenomenal to say the least, and sitting around on your computers looking at comparison images is not going to lend you to an accurate portrayal. Anyone who owns this movie will vouch that this movie isn't "FULL OF DNR". The picture is absolutely attractive, especially the closeups of Johnny Depp or Tina.

Out of my collection of 100 HD-DVDs and Blu-rays, this is the only movie that I would hold on the tightest to. It's a rare gem, and it shouldn't be listed as is in the list.

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lgans316 Never Ever Warn-her Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bangalore India Posts: 6,379	Title: Billa (2007) Studio: Ayngaran Disc: BD Problem: Jaggies / Aliasing, Halos, 24fps Time Codes: Whole movie Comments: (1) Probably an incorrect filtering job from the DI causing aliasing type artifacts and moire patterns. (2) Noticeable halos at high contrast outlines. (3) Mastered in 24fps instead of the standard 23.976fps. BD looks to be very accurate or even better than its theatrical presentation. Before updating the OP, please verify with Shahran at zulm.net. Otherwise, the image looks flawless. No DNR. Everything looks razor sharp including facial details. URLs: Sivaji- There is some DNR but it's not that bad and not even remotely close to any wax jobs. __________________ Blu-ray : 213

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eric.exe Screenshot Engineer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 1,626 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	Some jaggies on STVI since it was derived from a 1080i60 master: Comment from Torsten Kaiser: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...postcount=5512

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mhafner AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Switzerland Posts: 4,059	Added "ll Decameron".

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msgohan Screencap addict Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,126	It's just the 2007 UK release by Optimum Home Entertainment.

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Gamereviewgod Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 206	Miss March looks filtered. IMDB lists it as being filmed on 35MM, but my initial thought was that it was done entirely in digital. The look reminded me of Splinter, very flat and bland. That was shot digitally. Lots of flickering and aliasing on roofs and hair in Miss March. Very little facial detail. Didn't notice any smearing, but the lack of grain and facial detail seems to be a giveaway, unless IMDB has its tech specs wrong (always a possibility). A lot of noise in the movie too. __________________ www.doblu.com

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Gamereviewgod Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 206	Should have noted it in my previous post, but just noticed it was not on the list. Battle of Britain has edge enhancement throughout, at its worse when looking up at planes in the sky (multiple times in the film). The film grain literally stops dead and a bright line circles the planes. Decent transfer otherwise. __________________ www.doblu.com

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mhafner AVS Special Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Switzerland Posts: 4,059	DNR done right: http://www.arri.de/fileadmin/media/a...ball_split.mov

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esl88 New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7	The Good the Bad and the Ugly has been reputedly DNRd by MGM. Most Blu-ray "reviewers" seem pleased with the transfer, but those with a discerning eye have expressed much disappointment. http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...355&position=3 (ugh!) http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...355&position=4 http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...355&position=7 http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...355&position=1 Additionally, Fargo has some pretty thick EE throughout. The snow-covered setting brings out ugly haloes durring day exteriors, and what should be filmic grain looks more like a swarm of intrusive noise. Needless to say, the final results are not film-like. http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...352&position=7 (check out the the officer to the left) http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...352&position=2 http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/screen...352&position=5 2 Strikes for MGM. Last edited by esl88; 08-20-09 at 09:05 PM..

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esl88 New Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7	Also, please put Office Space up there. I've seen that disk and can say without any doubt in my mind that it's been DNRd. At some points small moles (apparently mistaken for dirt/grain) disappear momentarily.

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FendersRule New Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 11	I'd like to disagree with "A Nightmare on Elm Street". Sure, there is minor DNR in some scenes, but not "throughout entire movie". The image is fantastic to say the least, and the audio is enticing. I would rate this transfer no less than a 4.5/5 for both audio and video, with the audio slightly given the lead. I have the newest DVD release of this movie, and it looks fuggin disgusting. Blurriness, scratches everywhere, and the audio isn't clean at all. The Canadian Blu-ray release of this movie is phenomenal to say the least, and sitting around on your computers looking at comparison images is not going to lend you to an accurate portrayal. Anyone who owns this movie will vouch that this movie isn't "FULL OF DNR". The picture is absolutely attractive, especially the closeups of Johnny Depp or Tina. Out of my collection of 100 HD-DVDs and Blu-rays, this is the only movie that I would hold on the tightest to. It's a rare gem, and it shouldn't be listed as is in the list.