Philips 120Hz 2ms 7403/7603 Series Discussion

Oneota · 01-21-08, 04:18 PM

So Philips introduced a new set of 7000-series TVs at CES this year:

http://www.ces.philips.com/press_release_7000tv.html

120Hz panel, 2 ms response time, 4 HDMI 1.3a ports, and a new speaker system with integrated subwoofer. I was a day or two from pulling out the credit card for a 42PFL7432D/37 at Best Buy when they were on sale a couple weeks ago, now I'm glad I waited! The 42PFL7403 (or 7603 if you feel Ambilight is worth $100) look like the sets to beat, IMO.

Has anyone seen these in person (CES attendees, daveinga, etc)? Anyone else have thoughts on them? Info's a little scarce on the web since they're so new, but I did find this:
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9843969-67.html
http://gizmodo.com/tag/philips-7403/

Oneota · 01-22-08, 10:40 PM

Found a bit more:

http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/revie...8&id=2462&pg=2

http://www.gizmowatch.com/entry/ces-...treak-of-lcds/

Not much new info, but some nice pics, at least.

hellsredsled · 01-22-08, 11:55 PM

anyone find or get any measurments on the tv's? I need to know how wide the 42" model is to see if it will fit in my armoire

Oneota · 01-25-08, 01:46 PM

Since they're not out 'til March, I'm guessing finding dimensions will be a little tough for the next month or so, unless someone from Philips (hint, hint, daveinga

) wanted to chime in.

[Edit: There's some more info here: http://www.designcollection.philips.com/ ]

daveinga · 01-29-08, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oneota

Since they're not out 'til March, I'm guessing finding dimensions will be a little tough for the next month or so, unless someone from Philips (hint, hint, daveinga

) wanted to chime in.

[Edit: There's some more info here: http://www.designcollection.philips.com/ ]

this is for the 5603... similar cabinet to the 7603

http://www.consumer.philips.com/cons...27_US_CONSUMER

PDF datasheet at the bottom of the page for download...

enjoy

GadgetFreak · 01-30-08, 07:15 PM

What is the difference between the 5000 series and the 7000 series?

Oneota · 01-31-08, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GadgetFreak

What is the difference between the 5000 series and the 7000 series?

It looks like a much different LCD panel in the 5000 series. The site lists a 60Hz, 8 ms panel, versus the 120Hz, 2 ms panel in the 7000 series.

Also, I didn't see any mention of the improved sound system (with integrated subwoofer) in the 5000 series.

In other words, the two share a similar cabinet, but that's about it.

GadgetFreak · 01-31-08, 05:52 PM

I look forward to seeing the 7000 series in person. Not really sure which of the chains are big on Philips -- who do you think will get it first?

synigod · 01-31-08, 07:03 PM

I have the 9732D with 120hz/clear lcd/ambilight. It's pretty good. No many flaws at all. Though i wish i could of gotten one of these. These are more pleasing to look at.

drivendriver · 01-31-08, 10:40 PM

The 7000 series certainly sounds interesting, but I haven't seen any contrast ratio number, which is kind of worrying. If the contrast ratio was much better than on the current models, Philips would probably have included it in the press releases (or did I just miss it?).

6SpeedTA95 · 01-31-08, 11:41 PM

is that black to white or grey to grey response time?

Oneota · 02-01-08, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

is that black to white or grey to grey response time?

For the uninitiated among us, could you elaborate on the difference (in terms of whether one is worth measuring compared to the other, what difference there is in terms of how fast the display is, overall, etc)?

Oneota · 02-01-08, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GadgetFreak

I look forward to seeing the 7000 series in person. Not really sure which of the chains are big on Philips -- who do you think will get it first?

Costco, Best Buy, Sears, and Circuit City carry various portions of the Philips line. I've seen their lower-tier units at Target/Wal-Mart, too - but not their upper-end models like the 7000 series.

6SpeedTA95 · 02-01-08, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oneota

For the uninitiated among us, could you elaborate on the difference (in terms of whether one is worth measuring compared to the other, what difference there is in terms of how fast the display is, overall, etc)?

Well its been awhile since I've read about it, so if I'm wrong hopefully someone else will chime in...but...

As I remember it black to white transitions take a lot more time and are a lot more relevant to real world content. Black to white transitions actually involve going from full white or transparent to full black which takes longer for the individual cells to do. Gray to gray is merely a refreshing of the current state and involves far less actual activity by hte cell itself.

So for example a bird against the blue sky or a red race car driving around a track at high speed would all benefit from a higher black to white response time and would not benefit nearly as much from a gray to gray response time because there is no true color transition taking place with the gray to gray.

wtfer · 02-01-08, 02:36 PM

Is March the definite date it's going to be out?

Dubz4lif3 · 02-01-08, 03:09 PM

How do you think this compares to the 71F?

vincevega44 · 02-01-08, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dubz4lif3

How do you think this compares to the 71F?

Who knows, the 120 hz I would bet is alot better, but I doubt it will have the blacks of the Samsung.

Dubz4lif3 · 02-01-08, 03:22 PM

For the Price of MRSP $1799.00 and probaly better 120hz should i go with this 42" or the 4071f? (with all its AMP issues?)

vincevega44 · 02-01-08, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dubz4lif3

For the Price of MRSP $1799.00 and probaly better 120hz should i go with this 42" or the 4071f? (with all its AMP issues?)

The Philips that is out now has 5ms and very little motion blur, but the blacks, atleast to me did not seem that good. Who knows what the contrast will be on this tv?

Dubz4lif3 · 02-01-08, 03:44 PM

Well if the Contrast Ratio is good and the blacks ; dont have to be as good as samsungs but a little close then plus 120hz(which i bet is better than Samsung) 2ms, 42" 1080p, awesome Desgin and a really Low price ( atleast i think so) then i'm taking this 42" over the 40" 71f

vincevega44 · 02-01-08, 03:52 PM

I'll look at this tv too, its a sweet looking set, I just worry about the blacks. If they are good this would be an awesome tv most likely.

Dubz4lif3 · 02-01-08, 03:58 PM

Exactly, it the black levels are good then this the LCD i'm getting. appears to be very promising,really hyped up about the 2MS and 120hz plus Ambient light is really cool.

They did call this LCD the " Dream TV " lol

Oneota · 02-06-08, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wtfer

Is March the definite date it's going to be out?

For the 42", that's what all the literature is saying. I haven't seen anything that says otherwise. The 47" is slated for April, the 52" in May.

homesnake · 02-10-08, 12:08 AM

Well I was at BB today (Vancouver BC) and the Philips 42" 1080p LCD TV (42PFL7432D/37) appeared to be on the way out. There were only a couple in stock, and when I asked the salesman about it he told me the way to tell if something is being fazed out is to look at the price, if it ends in a 5 or a 7 it is EOL'd (ie: $1399.95). Hopefully this means new models are on the way.

n1ghtpr0w1er · 02-18-08, 11:07 AM

I think I am holding off on buying an XBR4 until I see what these new sets will offer. IMO, the Sony's 8ms panel is way too slow for a top of the line TV. The XBR4 may have 120 HZ, but I think that is only to compensate for the slowness of the panel. I have looked at panels with 6ms, 5ms, and 4ms response times and they all appear to handle motion better than any of the 8ms panels, including the Sonys.

This new Philips line seems to be approaching the Holy Grail of LCD panels. With a 2ms response time, 120HZ processing, along with the Ambilight feature, this set will be hard to beat in my opinion.

I have been looking for an LCD set with little or no motion blur or artifacts for the past month and I have concluded that this set does not yet exist. The Samsung 5271 that I had for a few days came close in this regard, but the reflective screen was a horrible thing to include on an LCD set. The blacks were fantastic on this TV but I could also see my reflection in those blacks.

Hopefully, we will see these sets in stores in April and May as stated and not September and October. Right now, I just have a wall mount with no TV. I'm not sure how long I can wait.

SM7383 · 02-20-08, 01:42 PM

I just order one through the employee store. Will arrive next week, I found out this is a LGPhilips Panal.

I'll post additional comments when I get the set

Oneota · 02-20-08, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SM7383

I just order one through the employee store. Will arrive next week, I found out this is a LGPhilips Panal.

I'll post additional comments when I get the set

w00t! Post some pics, too!

n1ghtpr0w1er · 02-20-08, 02:37 PM

None of the CC stores in my area have any Philips LCDs in stock to pick up. Hopefully this means the new sets will be in stores soon.

Oneota · 02-20-08, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

is that black to white or grey to grey response time?

Daveinga, if you're watching this thread - any chance of getting an answer to this?

n1ghtpr0w1er · 02-20-08, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SM7383

I just order one through the employee store. Will arrive next week, I found out this is a LGPhilips Panal.

I'll post additional comments when I get the set

What model did you order?

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Oneota Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 105	Philips 120Hz 2ms 7403/7603 Series Discussion So Philips introduced a new set of 7000-series TVs at CES this year: http://www.ces.philips.com/press_release_7000tv.html 120Hz panel, 2 ms response time, 4 HDMI 1.3a ports, and a new speaker system with integrated subwoofer. I was a day or two from pulling out the credit card for a 42PFL7432D/37 at Best Buy when they were on sale a couple weeks ago, now I'm glad I waited! The 42PFL7403 (or 7603 if you feel Ambilight is worth $100) look like the sets to beat, IMO. Has anyone seen these in person (CES attendees, daveinga, etc)? Anyone else have thoughts on them? Info's a little scarce on the web since they're so new, but I did find this: http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9843969-67.html http://gizmodo.com/tag/philips-7403/ Last edited by Oneota; 01-21-08 at 04:35 PM..

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drivendriver Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 348 Classified Rating: 100% (1)	The 7000 series certainly sounds interesting, but I haven't seen any contrast ratio number, which is kind of worrying. If the contrast ratio was much better than on the current models, Philips would probably have included it in the press releases (or did I just miss it?). Last edited by drivendriver; 01-31-08 at 10:40 PM..

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Dubz4lif3 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 624	Well if the Contrast Ratio is good and the blacks ; dont have to be as good as samsungs but a little close then plus 120hz(which i bet is better than Samsung) 2ms, 42" 1080p, awesome Desgin and a really Low price ( atleast i think so) then i'm taking this 42" over the 40" 71f

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Dubz4lif3 Advanced Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 624	Exactly, it the black levels are good then this the LCD i'm getting. appears to be very promising,really hyped up about the 2MS and 120hz plus Ambient light is really cool. They did call this LCD the " Dream TV " lol

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homesnake Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 26	Well I was at BB today (Vancouver BC) and the Philips 42" 1080p LCD TV (42PFL7432D/37) appeared to be on the way out. There were only a couple in stock, and when I asked the salesman about it he told me the way to tell if something is being fazed out is to look at the price, if it ends in a 5 or a 7 it is EOL'd (ie: $1399.95). Hopefully this means new models are on the way.

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n1ghtpr0w1er Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 225	I think I am holding off on buying an XBR4 until I see what these new sets will offer. IMO, the Sony's 8ms panel is way too slow for a top of the line TV. The XBR4 may have 120 HZ, but I think that is only to compensate for the slowness of the panel. I have looked at panels with 6ms, 5ms, and 4ms response times and they all appear to handle motion better than any of the 8ms panels, including the Sonys. This new Philips line seems to be approaching the Holy Grail of LCD panels. With a 2ms response time, 120HZ processing, along with the Ambilight feature, this set will be hard to beat in my opinion. I have been looking for an LCD set with little or no motion blur or artifacts for the past month and I have concluded that this set does not yet exist. The Samsung 5271 that I had for a few days came close in this regard, but the reflective screen was a horrible thing to include on an LCD set. The blacks were fantastic on this TV but I could also see my reflection in those blacks. Hopefully, we will see these sets in stores in April and May as stated and not September and October. Right now, I just have a wall mount with no TV. I'm not sure how long I can wait.

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SM7383 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	I just order one through the employee store. Will arrive next week, I found out this is a LGPhilips Panal. I'll post additional comments when I get the set

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