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Hi folks. Just curious about this Tivo thing. I have no experience with it. Sounds like it costs more money for the same thing I get from Verizon. Trying to figure this out. Thanks.
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TiVO is an upgrade to your cable providers DVR. Better user interface, experience, usually more storage space, a smarter search and recording setup, etc. They even connect to a WHS!

I think the main thing though is more storage space. ... And if I remember correctly, I think the price you pay upfront for the TiVO equals out the monthly cost of renting the DVR from the provider over the cost of a year or two...

Also, considering you have an XBOX, setup a HTPC with the new Ceton Tuner card and get rid of all those boxes!
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TiVO is an upgrade to your cable providers DVR. Better user interface, experience, usually more storage space, a smarter search and recording setup, etc. They even connect to a WHS!

I think the main thing though is more storage space. ... And if I remember correctly, I think the price you pay upfront for the TiVO equals out the monthly cost of renting the DVR from the provider over the cost of a year or two...

Also, considering you have an XBOX, setup a HTPC with the new Ceton Tuner card and get rid of all those boxes!

I think its more of the user interface and overall awesomeness, along with the scheduling dynamics that sell the TiVo, more so then just storage space. I mean its the same thing with the Moxi. Compare the user interface of a Scientific Atlanta (Cisco) DVR running SARA compared to the HD interfaces of TiVo and Moxi. Its a clear winner.

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I see where guys are coming from but I don't think the cost is really justified. Really the only thing I need that I don't have right now is more space. I can't see shelling out hundreds of dollars for Tivo boxes just for that. Seems a bit silly unless I'm missing something.
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you can also xfer video from the tivo to your pc and then burn onto dvd/bluray

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you can also xfer video from the tivo to your pc and then burn onto dvd/bluray

I wish that interested me but it doesn't. Mainly I just need more space but definitely can't justify the hundreds of dollars for Tivo.
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The Ceton card might be your best bet... depending on your usage of course...

But with that you would have unlimited storage space. I had three verizon DVRs in my house, so that's 3*16 or $48. Replace those 3 boxes with one CableCard and I make the $400 back in about 9 months....

Of course, if you don't have an HTPC to put in or the needed infrastructure, you will have more initial costs.

All things to consider!
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I see where guys are coming from but I don't think the cost is really justified. Really the only thing I need that I don't have right now is more space. I can't see shelling out hundreds of dollars for Tivo boxes just for that. Seems a bit silly unless I'm missing something.

An option you might want to consider would be an external storage drive.
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=609

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=828

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An option you might want to consider would be an external storage drive.
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=609

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=828

That would be great if it worked with my FiOS DVR which I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
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So lets say I was interested in this Tivo stuff. I need to buy the $200 box as my main HD DVR. Does that work with my other verizon boxes or do I have to replace all of them? Can I stream from the Tivo DVR to my Verizon boxes like I do now?

As far as cost goes, I have to buy the box which is 200, then the monthly fee from Tivo which is $13 I think and the cablecard rental which is $4 I believe. Are those costs correct?
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So lets say I was interested in this Tivo stuff. I need to buy the $200 box as my main HD DVR. Does that work with my other verizon boxes or do I have to replace all of them? Can I stream from the Tivo DVR to my Verizon boxes like I do now?

As far as cost goes, I have to buy the box which is 200, then the monthly fee from Tivo which is $13 I think and the cablecard rental which is $4 I believe. Are those costs correct?

No, you'd need to replace each device unfortunately. Would be nice though. Perhaps later down the road it might happen but I doubt it would. Though you can transfer shows to other devices like laptops and desktops and portable electronics with TiVo2Go
Premiere itself is $299.99 unless you want to go with the Premiere XL which has a 1TB hard drive which is $499.99 (both are expandable with the device I mentioned in my previous post)
  • Monthly price for service is 12 months at $12.95 with 1 year committment.
  • Annual price for service is $129.99 for 12 months which is the price of 10 months which renews annually.
  • 3 year service is $299.00 which is of 2 years which renews every 3 years.
  • Lifetime service, pay once good for life of the device (which is transferrable to new devices at a nominal fee)
And yes its $3.99 to rent the cablecard.

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No, you'd need to replace each device unfortunately. Would be nice though. Perhaps later down the road it might happen but I doubt it would. Though you can transfer shows to other devices like laptops and desktops and portable electronics.
  • Monthly price for service is 12 months at $12.95 with 1 year committment.
  • Annual price for service is $129.99 for 12 months which is the price of 10 months which renews annually.
  • 3 year service is $299.00 which is of 2 years which renews every 3 years.
  • Lifetime service, pay once good for life of the device (which is transferrable to new devices at a nominal fee)

Every box? That's crazy. Definitely not worth it to me. Verizon is suppose to get a major overhaul to their boxes and functionality in Q4. I'll def just wait. I'm really surprised Tivo is taht popular considering how much it costs.
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Every box? That's crazy. Definitely not worth it to me. Verizon is suppose to get a major overhaul to their boxes and functionality in Q4. I'll def just wait. I'm really surprised Tivo is taht popular considering how much it costs.

It's the functionality and user interface. You compare it to what the DVR given by cable companies and sat companies, and TiVo is simply better.

I'd recommend you look at Moxi. It allows you to stream through the network, including live tv, to moxi mates. For example a three tuner moxi allows you to record three shows at the same time while watching a fourth prerecorded show, or you can have three mates, and watch three live shows, or any combo of watching recorded shows/live shows.

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It's the functionality and user interface. You compare it to what the DVR given by cable companies and sat companies, and TiVo is simply better.

I'd recommend you look at Moxi. It allows you to stream through the network, including live tv, to moxi mates. For example a three tuner moxi allows you to record three shows at the same time while watching a fourth prerecorded show, or you can have three mates, and watch three live shows, or any combo of watching recorded shows/live shows.

If you google the new Verizon FiOS interface that is coming out, it looks pretty fancy and I don't have to spend hundreds of dollars for it. I really dont' care about anything other than having more storage. That's my only complaint. I have other devices that do everything else just as good if not better than a Tivo would.
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My experience with the Tivo was several years ago with direct tv tivo.
Wild card searches was one biggie to me. More control over what I was doing than the vcr stuff put out by people like uverse.

you can also xfer video from the tivo to your pc and then burn onto dvd/bluray
yep I hacked my tivo so I could do that...only used it for old perry mason episodes for my mother.

The menus and sorting and search are crap because they want to go PVR and don't care about what you can do.
Funny dish stole tivo code and didn't implement anything worth having LOL
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Was never into TiVo. Then, looked to cut costs and got rid of HD cable DVR. Wanted something that could record "Over the Air" broadcasts in HD. The TiVo Premiere fit the bill. Sure, it was $300 bucks. Sure, its $12.95 per month. Sure, very few channels, but I'm saving $100 bucks per month after figuring in internet costs and subscription fee and do not have to get a card to hook up the antenna. The Netflix streaming feature helps fill the gap. I can wait to see a show if I can watch its whole season in a few sittings. Still, I find the HD fills up fast. But, I find I don't delete most of what I record even though I never watch them again. Have to do a good clean up from time to time.
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If you google the new Verizon FiOS interface that is coming out, it looks pretty fancy and I don't have to spend hundreds of dollars for it. I really dont' care about anything other than having more storage. That's my only complaint. I have other devices that do everything else just as good if not better than a Tivo would.

You seem to have your mind made up against TiVo already so I'll just stay quiet.

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You seem to have your mind made up against TiVo already so I'll just stay quiet.

Correct. I have.
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Was never into TiVo. Then, looked to cut costs and got rid of HD cable DVR. Wanted something that could record "Over the Air" broadcasts in HD. The TiVo Premiere fit the bill. Sure, it was $300 bucks. Sure, its $12.95 per month. Sure, very few channels, but I'm saving $100 bucks per month after figuring in internet costs and subscription fee and do not have to get a card to hook up the antenna. The Netflix streaming feature helps fill the gap. I can wait to see a show if I can watch its whole season in a few sittings. Still, I find the HD fills up fast. But, I find I don't delete most of what I record even though I never watch them again. Have to do a good clean up from time to time.

I dont' see how you could be saving $100/mo. Factor in the hundreds of dollars buying new boxes. I don't see how that's possible. How does this affect your internet costs?
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Went from $165 per month(cable/internet) to $61.00 per month(internet/TiVo Fee). So, if I'm saving $100 per month and I knock off the cost of the box, I've still got $900 extra bucks at the end of said year that I'm sure I'll blow on some other gadget.
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Went from $165 per month(cable/internet) to $61.00 per month(internet/TiVo Fee). So, if I'm saving $100 per month and I knock off the cost of the box, I've still got $900 extra bucks at the end of said year that I'm sure I'll blow on some other gadget.

Can I have some $$ ? lol

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Truth be told, I already blew the savings. Now, I need to unload some old gadgets. Anybody interested in a Pioneer CLD-A100 Laseractive?
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Went from $165 per month(cable/internet) to $61.00 per month(internet/TiVo Fee). So, if I'm saving $100 per month and I knock off the cost of the box, I've still got $900 extra bucks at the end of said year that I'm sure I'll blow on some other gadget.

Wait, so I don't have to pay the cable portion of my bill anymore? I thought it would just replace the cost of replacing the boxes. Please explain. Is this with FiOS?
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I'm using Brighthouse Networks for internet. I used to have their HD cable service as well with a Scientic Atlanta 8300 HD DVR box. It was just too much money for a select few channels that I actually watched and recorded. For a time after cutting cable box, I just had an antenna hooked up to my tv. But, I always forgot to tune into my shows and needed a DVR. I looked for one that would record OTA. I'd never tried TiVo and thought I'd give it a try since it could record OTA. I'm happy with it, though I'd be happier if they'd actually open it up. Would be nice if the HD menu was HD for all applications. Come on TiVo.
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I'm using Brighthouse Networks for internet. I used to have their HD cable service as well with a Scientic Atlanta 8300 HD DVR box. It was just too much money for a select few channels that I actually watched and recorded. For a time after cutting cable box, I just had an antenna hooked up to my tv. But, I always forgot to tune into my shows and needed a DVR. I looked for one that would record OTA. I'd never tried TiVo and thought I'd give it a try since it could record OTA. I'm happy with it, though I'd be happier if they'd actually open it up. Would be nice if the HD menu was HD for all applications. Come on TiVo.

Alright so you're doing OTA but I'd still have to pay Verizon for cable if I want all my channels.
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TiVo can really be done on the cheap if only using an antenna and a basic landline telephone service. When I think about all of the money I spend on other services, the HD cable bill was just too much to spend anymore.
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Yeah, you would still be paying for their channels. I get stupid at times and can't wait for something to make its way to Netflix and get on the XBOX 360 and surf the Zune Marketplace for stuff, as if XBOX Live isn't ripping me off enough as it is already. Now, if a PS4 came out in the next few years with a built in digital tuner and could record to its HD and Sony kept it fee free, I'd be all over it. But, that's crazy talk.
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Okay so what do you guys do for watching sports?
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Premiere itself is $299.99 unless you want to go with the Premiere XL which has a 1TB hard drive which is $499.99 (both are expandable with the device I mentioned in my previous post)

If you want to save a few bucks, TiVo.com has them both refurbished right now for $100.00 less.
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Okay so what do you guys do for watching sports?

There's ESPN3 free, on the internet, for one.
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