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post #241 of 297 Old 08-05-2014, 11:10 AM
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Great thread - I bought a Canadian lifetime in June 06 and I use to be able to listen online, but haven't been able to for the last couple of years. I can login to account details and they want me to subscribe for online streaming for $4/month. Should I have to pay this or should I get this free? Thanks!
I would certainly not be the expert on this, and the Canadian Lifetimes might behave differently. Don't know. But the pertinent posts seem to begin with hooper610's Post #214 . It was trial and error for me. I had to create a Manage Accounts/webpage username and password. After all these years (since December 2007), I'd never set up a Manage Accounts/webpage username and password. Never needed one until now. I had set up an Online Listening username and password, but that isn't what made this latest development happen in my case.

In my case, it didn't work when I put into the smartphone app my Manage Account/webpage username and password. It also didn't work when I entered my Online Listening username and password. But it did work when I put in my Online Listening username and my Manage Account/webpage password. Go figure.

It also seems the SiriusXM Customer Reps are not on the same sheet of music about this new development. hooper610 reported, "Was chatting with the rep about the "free" internet radio account that came with lifetime subs not working on the mobile apps and he said that wasn't the case any longer." But my chat with two different SiriusXM Customer Service reps was the exact opposite. They both said no way, no how would anyone, original Lifetime subscribers or later Lifetime subscribers, be able to use the mobile app without paying $4 per month, end of story, don't even bother asking again. It really was that cut and dried.

It is still possible we have walked into a clever SiriusXM trap. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to discover in a couple of weeks that my free Online Listening access stops cold because there was some insidious communication sent to SiriusXM when I started using the free mobile app that triggers an end of my free Online Listening and then also stops the free mobile app use because, don'tcha' know, using the mobile app for so much as a single day qualifies as "changing your plan" and, oh by the way, my access to the mobile app for free was just the usual one or two week free trial everybody gets to see if you want to start ponying up the $4 per month. "Hey, didn't you read the teeny-tiny fine print we printed up on this issue about a year after you bought that Sirius Everything Lifetime Subscription?!"

Time will tell...
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But my chat with two different SiriusXM Customer Service reps was the exact opposite. They both said no way, no how would anyone, original Lifetime subscribers or later Lifetime subscribers, be able to use the mobile app without paying $4 per month, end of story, don't even bother asking again. It really was that cut and dried.
This statement is entirely incorrect for a small set of subscribers.

I subscribed a lifetime XM radio shortly before the merger and have had free lifetime premium online since the merger. My lifetime subscription has included access to the app (both Apple and Android) since the apps were released - I'm presuming this was because I have the premium online versus regular. The premium online was given to XM subscribers who complained after the merger that the bit-rate at the time (64k on XM) was dropped to 32k. After the merger, SiriusXM dropped the 64k stream and only offered 32k and 128k bit streams. The ads at the time for lifetime said there would be no change for the online radio for XM lifetime subscribers, so those who complained about the reduction to the 32k stream were moved to the 128k stream for lifetime (it was not automatic and only given to those who asked - a simple email did it). It's been a great deal because I use the app more than the radio these days (including the OnDemand features).
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This statement is entirely incorrect for a small set of subscribers.

I subscribed a lifetime XM radio shortly before the merger and have had free lifetime premium online since the merger. My lifetime subscription has included access to the app (both Apple and Android) since the apps were released - I'm presuming this was because I have the premium online versus regular. The premium online was given to XM subscribers who complained after the merger that the bit-rate at the time (64k on XM) was dropped to 32k. After the merger, SiriusXM dropped the 64k stream and only offered 32k and 128k bit streams. The ads at the time for lifetime said there would be no change for the online radio for XM lifetime subscribers, so those who complained about the reduction to the 32k stream were moved to the 128k stream for lifetime (it was not automatic and only given to those who asked - a simple email did it). It's been a great deal because I use the app more than the radio these days (including the OnDemand features).
Of course, you can only assume that all the people who had premium online vs regular and who complained and got the premium included have had access through the mobile app for free all this time. That would mean every subscriber who so much as made the call or sent an email got the ok and instructions on how to do it. Do you really think that is what XM or SiriusXM or whoever they were at the time did that? It seems to me a lot of this has been subject to the whim of the Customer Rep who happens to pick up the phone or read the email and your luck in hitting the right one at the right time in the right mood. And I don't know if the original Sirius subscribers (vs the XM subscribers) have had as much good fortune in this regard.

In fact, we had a couple of fellows posting on this thread for quite a while until relatively recently who are or were then SiriusXM Customer Reps (joeepistonee and another one literally claiming to be SXMHelp) and, afaik, they never mentioned this ability for SiriusXM Lifetime subscribers to listen through the mobile app for free. And that was quite a hot subject for a while. Unless I totally missed it, up until just the last couple of weeks or so, this is an entirely new development and rather big news for many of the Lifetimers here..isn't it? Did posters joeepistonee or SXMHelp ever mention it?

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Of course, you can only assume that all the people who had premium online vs regular and who complained and got the premium included have had access through the mobile app for free all this time. That would mean every subscriber who so much as made the call or sent an email got the ok and instructions on how to do it. Do you really think that is what XM or SiriusXM or whoever they were at the time did that? It seems to me a lot of this has been subject to the whim of the Customer Rep who happens to pick up the phone or read the email and your luck in hitting the right one at the right time in the right mood. And I don't know if the original Sirius subscribers (vs the XM subscribers) have had as much good fortune in this regard.

In fact, we had a couple of fellows posting on this thread for quite a while until relatively recently who are or were then SiriusXM Customer Reps (joeepistonee and another one literally claiming to be SXMHelp) and, afaik, they never mentioned this ability for SiriusXM Lifetime subscribers to listen through the mobile app for free. And that was quite a hot subject for a while. Unless I totally missed it, up until just the last couple of weeks or so, this is an entirely new development and rather big news for many of the Lifetimers here..isn't it? Did posters joeepistonee or SXMHelp ever mention it?
As a life time Sirius Subscriber from 2005/2006 I had the free online non-cd quality stream until they dropped it in 2009 and only offered the CD quality stream with a cost 3 bucks and some change. At that point I bought the CD quality stream. I still hang on to my current radio although it's nearly shot but I only have one more free upgrade left on my Satellite lifetime contract and I am saving that for my next car stereo. It seems XM internet subscribers before the merger got the better deal as they have received lifetime CD quality sound and don't have to pay for the app. If prior post are accurate. I listen far more on my App than the radio. As long as I have Wi-Fi or 3g/4g I'd listen to the app on the road if my current factory car stereo had an AUX in.
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As a life time Sirius Subscriber from 2005/2006 I had the free online non-cd quality stream until they dropped it in 2009 and only offered the CD quality stream with a cost 3 bucks and some change. At that point I bought the CD quality stream. I still hang on to my current radio although it's nearly shot but I only have one more free upgrade left on my Satellite lifetime contract and I am saving that for my next car stereo. It seems XM internet subscribers before the merger got the better deal as they have received lifetime CD quality sound and don't have to pay for the app. If prior post are accurate. I listen far more on my App than the radio. As long as I have Wi-Fi or 3g/4g I'd listen to the app on the road if my current factory car stereo had an AUX in.
Me too. I live way outside of the USA now, so have not used my radio in a long time and have only listened through the online webpage. But since I've had the mobile app, I have been listening through the mobile app on a Bluetooth-enabled audio system instead of through their online webpage. Almost everything about it is better, more fun. It is nice to again have access to the "free" online listening that I paid for back in December 2007 on any computer, even if that computer is small enough to fit in your jacket pocket!

Thanks to all who found out about this new development and passed along the info despite some SiriusXM Customer Reps' contradicting assertions about it.
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The CS rep told me that they would not move Sirius LIfetimers to XM and will just give us some cheap portable radio to transfer to.
If they do this for the OEM radios, too, I'll be ok with that decision. They'll need to shut down Sirius eventually.

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I concur. I actually paid for (2) lifetime subs. The 1st back in 2004/2005 via XM radio. Then the 2nd around 2008/2009 after the SXM merger...
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Can you Buy a used xm lifetime receiver and have it work

I am a long time XM subscriber but I won't pay full price and getting tired of trying to get a deal. I'm considering buying a used XM with a lifetime subscription.

Will the lifetime subscription transfer over to me?

How would I know other than take the word of the seller that it had a lifetime subscription.

If I called XM with the ID would they shut it off?

A while back I was considering doing this and the seller was afraid to give me the ID before I bought it for fear XM would shut it down if I called and asked about it. More than likely the seller would not be the original owner.

I know about the lifetime 3 transfer thing for $75 ea from one rec. to another but how would I know if there were any transfers left?
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I am a long time XM subscriber but I won't pay full price and getting tired of trying to get a deal. I'm considering buying a used XM with a lifetime subscription.
Lifetime subscriptions are non-transferable; that being said, what they don't know won't hurt them.

To answer your question: If SiriusXM doesn't know that the original owner sold the radio to you, then they'll have no reason to shut it off. I would not call them and let them know. The nice thing about Lifetime is that there is no reason to have contact with the company, because the radios just work.

As far as transferring it to a new radio, good luck, I would not imagine that to be very successful.

I do know that you can often find radios on eBay with active lifetime subscriptions.

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I just cancelled the SXM service once and for all on my two vehicles. I have been doing the 6 month for $25 thing for the last two years. And I am on bill only. But got sick and tired of having to call them 4 times/year for the deal (the cars have different expiration). If they can afford to dole out these discounts if you call, they should be able to afford to fix the price and put you on a 2 year contract or something for $100 + the taxes/fees (for the two years).

Guess I will just upgrade cars more often and get the 6 months or a year free promo, then trade the car when it ends...LOL J/K...

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Do you other Sirius Lifetimers get channels 55 and 57? My OEM radio tuner box that I've been able to physically transfer from 3 Nissan vehicles since 2003 still works great, but I can't pick up Utopia or Y2Kountry. Looking over all of the documentation I should be able to, and I've tried a re-hit.
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Do you other Sirius Lifetimers get channels 55 and 57? My OEM radio tuner box that I've been able to physically transfer from 3 Nissan vehicles since 2003 still works great, but I can't pick up Utopia or Y2Kountry. Looking over all of the documentation I should be able to, and I've tried a re-hit.
I checked yesterday and get both 55 and 57 on my Sirius radio.

Maybe you can try finding where the tuner is and pull the plug on it and give it a few minutes and then plug it back in with hopes of resetting it.
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Am I correct in assuming that Sirius/XM no longer offer new or upgrades to Lifetime Subscriptions?

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to my knowledge, there are no 'new' lifetime subscription(s).
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I have a Sirius under dash receiver (plugs into head unit) I bought on Ebay back in 2006, been working ever since.

Am looking to upgrade to new stereo and satt antenna for truck, have a couple of questions.

1 - Is it easy to transfer license to another satellite receiver, and is it just $75 to SiriusXM (to my knowledge, this would be first xfer as it initially came from a wrecked vehicle)
2 - Can I expect to get more stations, or am I still going to be limited since it was pre merger (I have most stations, but not all)
3 - I have currently SIR-PNR2 satt under dash, looking to upgrade to the Sirius SXV200v1 or SXV300 - Is the antenna going to top of truck, the same as the old model? (So I would not have to run that cable again, wondering if I can use the old one to connect to the new receiver)
4 - Is there any other complications that I need to know about before I pull the trigger on buying the new deck and siriusxm receiver?
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I have a Sirius under dash receiver (plugs into head unit) I bought on Ebay back in 2006, been working ever since.

Am looking to upgrade to new stereo and satt antenna for truck, have a couple of questions.

1 - Is it easy to transfer license to another satellite receiver, and is it just $75 to SiriusXM (to my knowledge, this would be first xfer as it initially came from a wrecked vehicle)
2 - Can I expect to get more stations, or am I still going to be limited since it was pre merger (I have most stations, but not all)
3 - I have currently SIR-PNR2 satt under dash, looking to upgrade to the Sirius SXV200v1 or SXV300 - Is the antenna going to top of truck, the same as the old model? (So I would not have to run that cable again, wondering if I can use the old one to connect to the new receiver)
4 - Is there any other complications that I need to know about before I pull the trigger on buying the new deck and siriusxm receiver?
Oh .. and 5

I bought this off Ebay back in 2006, not knowing it had a lifetime on it. (surprise surprise when I got it hooked up, and it worked)

So obviously, the license is not in my name, and I have never been registered user on SiriusXM, anywhere, not even on website. Is this going to be an issue with license transfer? Or if they ask should I just say I received it as a gift that year? Want to make sure I dont risk losing my service entirely, in which I would just keep using the old head unit and receiver.
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I bought this off Ebay back in 2006, not knowing it had a lifetime on it. (surprise surprise when I got it hooked up, and it worked)

So obviously, the license is not in my name, and I have never been registered user on SiriusXM, anywhere, not even on website. Is this going to be an issue with license transfer? Or if they ask should I just say I received it as a gift that year? Want to make sure I dont risk losing my service entirely, in which I would just keep using the old head unit and receiver.
Yeah, that's going to be a huge issue. There are two options, neither good:
1) The radio is lifetime in someone else's name, and it's non-transferrable, so alerting them to this fact will not end well.
2) The radio never had lifetime, but through a glitch has been receiving Sirius all this time (they have issues sometimes with revoking reception to units when service is cancelled), so alerting them to this fact will not end well.

Why can't you just move the receiver to a new head unit?

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Yeah, that's going to be a huge issue. There are two options, neither good:
1) The radio is lifetime in someone else's name, and it's non-transferrable, so alerting them to this fact will not end well.
2) The radio never had lifetime, but through a glitch has been receiving Sirius all this time (they have issues sometimes with revoking reception to units when service is cancelled), so alerting them to this fact will not end well.

Why can't you just move the receiver to a new head unit?
The plugin is different now than it used to be. (its a blue to blue plug on satt unit, and pioneer deck). Plugs are now black, and different shape (confirmed this at store)

This unit updates every other week, so I think a deactivation code would have worked by now, in the last 7 years. (I emailed who I bought it from (wrecking yard) and guy said he thought it had lifetime on it as he had seen paperwork in the car).

Wonder if I just have stereo shop, do the transfer for me (activate the new radio).
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This is the blue connection on old deck (DEH-3800MP)


This is the old satt receiver



This is the deck I want to buy - DEH-X6700BS (Photo of backside, which has the small siriusxm plugin, no blue connector)
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That blue connector on your old head unit is called IP-BUS. You'd probably be better off finding an IP-BUS compatible head unit, Pioneer still makes them.
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That blue connector on your old head unit is called IP-BUS. You'd probably be better off finding an IP-BUS compatible head unit, Pioneer still makes them.
Hmmm .. found IP-Bus to 3.5mm plug

That could work, assuming that I could still control the sirius unit. (and let me use the 3.5m input on most of the new decks.)
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Maybe this has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but I wanted to offer a suggestion for anyone encountering problems logging in to your SiriusXM Internet Radio app. This morning I clicked on my SiriusXM app icon and, instead of connecting as usual, I got a pop up screen telling me either my username, password or both were incorrect and that I had to log in again. Typically, some combination of my online listening username or my Manage Accounts username along with either the online listening password or the Manage Accounts password does the trick. But not this time. I shut down my smartphone and restarted it, tried again, but still no good.

It was not recognizing any combination of my usernames or passwords and I kept getting another pop-up telling me I needed to contact SiriusXM Listener Care at their toll-free number, which I most definitely did not want to do.

What did fix the problem instead was going to the SiriusXM Internet Radio app entry in my phone's Applications Manager and clicking/clearing the cache. Then, when I went back to the SiriusXM app to log in, the username and password combination I had been using for a while worked fine again.

Just a heads up for anyone experiencing such a problem and before you make a potentially fateful call to SiriusXM Listener Care.
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Maybe this has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, but I wanted to offer a suggestion for anyone encountering problems logging in to your SiriusXM Internet Radio app. This morning I clicked on my SiriusXM app icon and, instead of connecting as usual, I got a pop up screen telling me either my username, password or both were incorrect and that I had to log in again. Typically, some combination of my online listening username or my Manage Accounts username along with either the online listening password or the Manage Accounts password does the trick. But not this time. I shut down my smartphone and restarted it, tried again, but still no good.

It was not recognizing any combination of my usernames or passwords and I kept getting another pop-up telling me I needed to contact SiriusXM Listener Care at their toll-free number, which I most definitely did not want to do.

What did fix the problem instead was going to the SiriusXM Internet Radio app entry in my phone's Applications Manager and clicking/clearing the cache. Then, when I went back to the SiriusXM app to log in, the username and password combination I had been using for a while worked fine again.

Just a heads up for anyone experiencing such a problem and before you make a potentially fateful call to SiriusXM Listener Care.
This thread is awesome.

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Woke up this AM to the same problem. This fixed it. Thanks so much!!
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^ Glad it helped and at the right moment!

I got the same "incorrect username or password...log in again" pop-up this morning. But this time it accepted my usual log in information without hesitation. I suspect the fact that on this morning I had a VPN (proxy server app) activated on my phone, which I did not have on the previous occasion, had something to do with why the pop-up was triggered again, although I have no idea why that would matter. I only suspect it because it was the only thing different about this activation attempt. I'll see if it happens again tomorrow or the next day. Maybe this will now be a regular occurrence, don't know.

Actually, I have no idea what triggered the pop-up the first time yesterday or why clearing the cache on the app entry in the Application Manager fixed it. I just tried a few things until it accepted a username/password and that did it.
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Yeah still a bummer. Still seems kinda dumb to me, why does the hardware (the radio) has any affect on, the pricing of at least, the software (the subscription). E.G. I can buy a new iPhone and still have access to all my app. Maybe not a perfect example but…


I have a few lifetime accounts on XM and Sirius and I'll confirm that's the deal. I'm also with you on it - I never understood it.

If you bought a new Honda, for example, back when they offered lifetime subs then, if I remember correctly, you could get a lifetime sub for it but you could never transfer it.

Some people claimed it was because it was subsidized or some other such excuse but it never made any sort of sense to me.

A good alternative is to get one of the old Directed SCC1 tuners with the appropriate adapter so you can have a lifetime sub in your car. It's what I do. When I go to the next car I'll just take that tuner + adapter with me.
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While transferring my subscription to a new car just over a year ago, I was told that the transfers were unlimited and that they would cost $75 each. It's unfortunate that the cost was $75 but I figured "unlimited transfers", that'll do!

However, I just called to transfer my service to my new work vehicle and was informed that I cannot transfer AT ALL, EVER because my lifetime subscription was purchased in 2009. I informed the rep that the previous rep said transfers were costly but unlimited. He has put in my notes that they're going to grant me one last complimentary transfer and that's it, for ever, for life. There was no way I was going to tie that to a work vehicle that I'll own for an undetermined about of time and began searching the web for the suggestion mentioned above.

That being said, I'm considering having my lifetime subscription transferred and forever tied to the following tuner, SXV200v1 (cannot redirect below since I'm a new member). Will this tuner will provide a unique ESN that I can transfer to and pull from any vehicle at the time of sale, as mentioned above? Can anyone confirm that?

Thank you VERY much!!
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While transferring my subscription to a new car just over a year ago, I was told that the transfers were unlimited and that they would cost $75 each. It's unfortunate that the cost was $75 but I figured "unlimited transfers", that'll do!

However, I just called to transfer my service to my new work vehicle and was informed that I cannot transfer AT ALL, EVER because my lifetime subscription was purchased in 2009. I informed the rep that the previous rep said transfers were costly but unlimited. He has put in my notes that they're going to grant me one last complimentary transfer and that's it, for ever, for life. There was no way I was going to tie that to a work vehicle that I'll own for an undetermined about of time and began searching the web for the suggestion mentioned above.

That being said, I'm considering having my lifetime subscription transferred and forever tied to the following tuner, SXV200v1 (cannot redirect below since I'm a new member). Will this tuner will provide a unique ESN that I can transfer to and pull from any vehicle at the time of sale, as mentioned above? Can anyone confirm that?

Thank you VERY much!!
When you purchased your lifetime subscription has no bearing on whether or not it can be transferred.

I don't know if the CSR misstated the rules or if you misheard them but it's been long established that:

- Lifetime subscriptions on non-OEM radios were allowed 3 transfers at $75ea
- Lifetime subscriptions on OEM radios were never allowed to be transferred (I never understood it but that was the rule)

Those were the rules with Sirius and, when they combined the companies, it became the rules with XM (before it was all fully combined). These rules haven't wavered or changed over the years. The only the that changed was the 'free internet'-bit which is another discussion.

There was never such a thing as "unlimited transfers".

My point is that while the CSR may have told you wrong, it seems unlikely because these rules were well established and haven't changed. It's not like they had to go look up what the rules were for someone subscribing in 2006-2007 time period or anything like that.

The only deviation from the rules above is that, sometimes, if you had a problem with a radio prematurely dying on you, they'd give you a freebie-swap for lifetime accounts (no $75 fee and doesn't count against your 3 swaps).

All that being said, I'm sorry you had the misunderstanding, regardless of whose fault it was. It doesn't make it any less frustrating for you.


Just an additional thought: While they no longer offer lifetime subscriptions, it'd be nice to have that option even on new cars. Say you buy a new car and the lifetime subscription for it is $1000. If you keep the car 10 years then that's $100/year which isn't a bad deal. If you compare it to their normal subscription rates then you've broke even in about 4 years. I'd consider it if it were an option on a new car. I really don't want to pay their $250+/year deal. That's just too steep and would bug me having to pay it each year.

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Thanks for the response! First, I called prior to 8am and the CSR did in fact have to refer to his documentation to see what terms applied to the exact year of my lifetime purchase. That's what he explicitly stated to me anyhow. Although the section that I copy and pasted from SiriusXM may mostly be referring to non-vehicle radios, I believe this is what he referenced.

Second, regardless of the unfortunate situation that I'm in, as well as many others, I am able to transfer the subscription one last time, which is why my original question, "Can I transfer this to a tuner and simply remove from one car to the other", as one of the other forum users alluded to (well, explicitly stated as well), still stands. One user stated it was possible, I'm merely fishing for someone else to confirm that option.

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Before June 20, 2005: Yes, it is transferable from one radio to another any number of times.*
From June 20, 2005 until September 7, 2007: Yes, your Lifetime subscription is transferable a maximum of three times.*
On or after September 8, 2007: Lifetime subscriptions associated with home, portable or dock & play radios can be transferred a maximum of three times.* Lifetime subscriptions first associated with or transferred to radios installed in vehicles by automakers or dealers are NOT transferable unless the radio is stolen, accidentally damaged or defective.
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Second, regardless of the unfortunate situation that I'm in, as well as many others, I am able to transfer the subscription one last time, which is why my original question, "Can I transfer this to a tuner and simply remove from one car to the other", as one of the other forum users alluded to (well, explicitly stated as well), still stands. One user stated it was possible, I'm merely fishing for someone else to confirm that option.

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Before June 20, 2005: Yes, it is transferable from one radio to another any number of times.*
From June 20, 2005 until September 7, 2007: Yes, your Lifetime subscription is transferable a maximum of three times.*
On or after September 8, 2007: Lifetime subscriptions associated with home, portable or dock & play radios can be transferred a maximum of three times.* Lifetime subscriptions first associated with or transferred to radios installed in vehicles by automakers or dealers are NOT transferable unless the radio is stolen, accidentally damaged or defective.
Sorry - I never answered your question:

It depends!
(great answer, right?)

If you swap this into an OEM vehicle's tuner, let's say a Honda, and then a few years down the road that you buy another Honda, it's likely, but not guaranteed that you could find the tuner and cabling in your current Honda and plug them into your new Honda. Kind of depends on how many years out you're considering doing this. You wouldn't be able to take that Honda tuner + cables and switch it out to a Toyota, Ford, etc. You're pretty much married to the Honda. I'm fairly certain, though not 100%, that the satellite tuners are still separate in new cars. An easy way to check is to look online at the parts department and see if they sell just the tuner for the particular type of car you have. Typically it'll be a tuner kit with brackets, cables, etc.

Other options:

Directed SCC1:
Find a Directed SCC1 (if you're on a SiriusXM plan, they may not let you switch over to older equipment so you may want to call them). This is a Sirius tuner (not SiriusXM (modern) or XM). Know that going into this that they're letting the polar orbit Sirius satellite burn out over time and then they'll be broadcasting everything from geosynchronous satellites in orbit around the equator. The difference is that with the old Sirius satellite orbits you'd almost always have a satellite fairly high in the sky above you whereas with the geosynchronous orbits you can often be blocked by things to the S/SE/SW of you (depends on where you are in the country). Also note that, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, the Sirius terrestrial repeaters have been turned off so when you get blocked you're just blocked. I have both Sirius and SiriusXM in my car and the Sirius tuner cuts out a lot more because of these limitations. The SiriusXM tuner is far more reliable. The main advantage to doing going this route is that you could get an SCC1 and then the proper interface box for your car (depends on the make of the car and the year) and find an corresponding interface so that your OEM radio in your dash just magically works with the SCC1. It still falls into the trap of: will your next car support it, but it's a better option than getting a Honda-only version. Another downside to this is that you're limited in extra functionality. You can tune in any of the Sirius channels but you're not going to get any alerts for songs/artists/shows/sports which you're interested in. It basically makes satellite radio just a simple tuner.

XM Mini Tuner:
Again, assuming that they allow you to swap to an older system (and you're starting from SiriusXM), you could get something like the XM Commander MT (search Amazon). With that you have this little cartridge tuner and then you could transfer your lifetime subscription once to that and swap that out of various MT-compatible setups (like buy an extra XM Commander MT set or two). The theory here is that the display or other part may die but then you just swap out that part and keep going (probably the display though I have a few of these in my daughters' cars and they're going strong). This will get you extra features like scrolling sports scores, stock market prices (I think this unit supports that), alerts for when your favorite songs/shows/artists are playing on other channels, and a nice B&W display which will likely show you more information than your OEM radio.

Plug-N-Play unit:
This is probably your best bet going forward but the problem is that, once it's dead, it's dead. All the suggestions above relied on an external display/interface, assuming that the display or buttons would be the things to die first. If you do this right and the unit lasts then you could take it from car to car. Pick up something like the SiriusXM Onyx Plus (nice little unit - you can find it at Best Buy on sale for $60-70 periodically) and move your subscription to that. You'll get all of the channels you can possibly get with it as it supports the extra channels which the other methods don't, along with a nice color display. There are other nice features such as song/artist/sports alerts, Tune-Mix (it'll record all channels in the current set of presets which are playing songs and then just swap out, randomly, from song to song - Meaning, you may listen to Lady Gaga on the Pulse and when that song is over then it plays a song, in it's entirety, off of, say, SiriusXM Hits 1, then it bounces to another song off of another preset - it's a nice way to mix it up). This unit also allows you to rewind and fast forwards (depending on where you are, of course) on the channels. It's a nice unit.

Aftermarket Head Unit + SiriusXM Tuner:
Depending on how far you want to go, you could, depending on the make and model of your car, go with an aftermarket head unit + a SiriusXM SXV200V1/SXV300V1 tuner. The good thing here is that they seemed to have finally settled on a standard interface for modern aftermarket head units to connect with a standard SiriusXM tuner. This means that if you get a new car, and you can swap the head unit out, then everything works like it did before. You will likely be able to swap the head unit out and move to a different manufacturer (like from Kenwood to Pioneer, if you happen to find in a few years that you like a Pioneer HU better) and still be able to use your SiriusXM tuner. Interfaces do change over time so this isn't an iron-clad way to do it, and it's obviously more involved but it's an option. A downside is that maybe this works fine in your Honda but then you decide you want a Prius next and in a Prius everything is integrated into the center console so swapping out the radio is a non-starter. Another downside, and this stopped me from doing this approach years back, is that a lot of the aftermarket HUs now are a jack of all trades and a master of none. Maybe that's changed recently but it sucks to spend $1000+ on a head unit and it kind of mostly work. Another thing that sucks is that a lot of the interfaces and menus are arranged in a way where you'd think that the people programming the interfaces for your cable TV box were subcontracted to do aftermarket HU menus/interfaces. My last Kenwood suffered from both of these fates. I was familiar with the Kenwood menu system and it was still a drag to dig down to try to find some setting. It was also a "master of none" enough to where I just pulled it and threw it away. I was that sick of it. I put the OEM stereo back in.

Streaming:
Depending on when you got your lifetime sub, you may have a free streaming account sitting out there (there was another thread about this - or it may even be further up in this thread on how to find it and set it up). Anyway, if you take your phone into your car, most cars today have Bluetooth, so you just pair that up and stream your SiriusXM. This can be a bit cumbersome as, when I've tried it, I find it much more natural to hit physical buttons while driving (on the SiriusXM Onyx) as opposed to my finger bouncing around and trying to hit the screen and, often enough, hitting the wrong spot on the screen because there's no physical button there to guide my finger before the push. It's a distraction - there's no getting around that. It's also going to cost you in your data plan but I suspect, going forward, it won't be too long before none of us pay much attention to how much data we're using on our mobile devices. It's happened with voice minutes and text messages. This is just another natural occurrence that will happen. Oh, the other thing that can be a bit of a pain is that your phone won't always connect automatically with your car's Bluetooth so that, sometimes, you'll have to go in and specifically say, "connect to this device". Again, it's a bother and a distraction if you try to do this while driving. An in-dash solution will "just work" as will a PNP solution using Aux-In on your stereo.

My recommendation, kind of the path of least resistance, would be to go the PNP route and pick up a SiriusXM Onyx Plus. With a little work you can make it work nicely with your dash so that you don't have wires going everywhere.

If you do go for the PNP or streaming via your phone - route, check out proclipusa.com (I'm not affiliated, just a happy customer). Depending on your car, they have many nice setups for positioning your phone, satellite radio, other devices. I use one for my phone and another one on the other side of my steering wheel for the SiriusXM Onyx Plus. It really makes it nice for just sliding your phone in and having the GPS app up and running. In my car both are right up on the dash. Some cars have the positioning further down the center console which I don't like as much. They're not cheap but really nice in that you set it up once and forget about it. You don't have to fiddle or worry about things sliding around on your dash.
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Brad, thank you VERY much for all of the information. Super helpful. Much appreciated!!
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When you purchased your lifetime subscription has no bearing on whether or not it can be transferred.
I do not believe this to be the case. I was an early on purchaser of the lifetime subscription. Have done several transfers. Most recent was a couple years ago when they tried telling me that I was out of transfers, I raised a bit of a fuss and they relented as I had subscribed before they started putting the limits on them.

Anybody have an original copy of the Sirius lifetime agreement? I would be interested in seeing it.

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