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Avoid the buggy '05/06 ES-20 and ES-40v models as well as the '07 EZ-x7 models and '08 EZ-48v, the '08 and newer EZ-28 is better but still not as good as the older ES-EH models of '05 and '06.
My favorites of the HDD variety are: '05 EH-50, '06 EH-55 and of the non hdd models that would be the '05 ES-10, ES-30v and '06 ES-15 and similar ES-25.
Most Panasonic users avoid + media like the plague although '05 and newer do officially support + media, it's just - is more compatible and burn better in Panasonics.
If you always use SP or better or don't care about full D1 resolution in speeds between SP and LP then '04 and older Panasonics may also work well for you. AFAIK only the more buggy EZ models came in black and again of those the only one I'd own(and do) is the EZ-28(and if you don't care about a tuner then the EA models are also good). Note only the EZ models have a digital tuner, not the ES/EH models or older.
I've compiled a list of the various N. American and international Panasonics over the years here is it's link:
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On another front, any thoughts on DVD+R vs DVD-R blanks in my EZ27? So far,
99.9% of the DVDs I've burned have been +R, but I've found a bargain on -R discs
so I thought I'd ask before taking the plunge.
As has been said, Panasonic's prefer -R media over +R. The PLUS media is supported, but the machines definitely prefer the DASH media over the PLUS.

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The one about saliva confuses me, how do you let the DVD spin round without playing it!!

You moisten your finger(I use middle right finger) then while holding the DVD upside down in your left hand I run my finger around the bottom inside spindle area, then immediately put the disc in the tray and close it.
I've been doing this for years with a couple DVDRs with no adverse effects If you put too much saliva on the spindle you'll notice several fine lines emanating from the spindle and going straight out to the edge of the DVD, this doesn't happen if you use just a film.
Again if your getting the chugging no disc read error this procedure will not work, thats a bad laser, this procedure is just for curing the grinding noise and provides just enough traction for the spindle to hold the disc.
Lastly do NOT use this procedure with Taiyo Yuden DVDs as they are already slightly tactile(grippy) and saliva might actually make matters worse. If your discs are grinding and you use something other than Tys then just switching to Tys will probably work just fine.

I actually will use 'tacky' scotch tape and carefully 'blot' the area around the inner hole. This method has worked wonders keeping the spindle from slipping. I also use T/Y discs and they still occasionally will have the grinding slip.

Any residue that might actually transfer to the interior mechanism to make it more 'tacky' is a good things in my eyes. Saliva is just so temporary and I just cant get over hocking a loogey on my discs (obviously way overstating it )

Everyone here basically has machines that are going on 8-10 years. Anything that can be done to extend the life and make them usable for another 8-10 years is beneficial
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Hi. My EZ48V makes those grinding noises, and now refuses to load Panasonic brand DVD-RAMs, whether blank or with recorded material. However, my supply of blank and recorded Sony DVD+R discs will still load, albeit not all the time.

How screwed am I?

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Have you tried cleaning the spindle? If any discs load then it's probably just a dirty spindle, in no discs load then it may be a failed laser.
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Thanks for responding so quickly. The saliva method didn't work. Should I try the scotch tape, or the cotton swab with alcohol? I feel reticent about sticking the swab under the tray. I may be overcomplicating this, but is it as simple as described? When the tray sticks out, I cannot find the required opening, for example.

Sorry to sound so dense. I really appreciate your help.
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Panasonic DVD Drive basic diagnostic information and routine servicing procedures are found in the second and third posts in this thread.

Panasonic DVD drive spindle/hub cleaning, includes remedial procedures for reassembly complications

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When the tray sticks out, I cannot find the required opening, for example.
Well by far the preferred method is to unplug and then remove the units cover followed by the drives cover, but you can also get a "OK" cleaning by ejecting the drive tray and then unplugging the unit. Shine a decent flashlight inside the opening around the tray and you should see the round black spindle(the part the center of the DVD sits upon when inserted). Using a long handled alcohol(or I use Freon based cleaner) soaked cotton or even better yet foam swab, insert the swab in the drive opening and using a spinning and in/out motion, clean the top of the rubber spindle. The more cleaning the better and I generally re soak the swab several times.
This method does work but because the spindle spins easily, it's hard to get a good scrubbing of the rubber top. If you were to take the drive apart you could physically hold the spindle with one finger while scrubbing the top with a swab in the other hand, something that can't be done with a cleaning going through the front of the drive.
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Dear Digodo, hello, here you find a message from a woman out of the Netherlands.
I have 2 dvd burners, with both the same error. (Already bought a third one). I have the DMR EH770, and I love this recorder. Both the burners have lost their teeth so to speak. The white plastic running to the wheel does not work anymore. I know I can change the burner, and the harddisk (if it s empty, if full it says its empty in the wrong machine) Do you know if someone are selling these? I would like to hear from you, for now, Kind regards, Alie
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I have a Panasonic DMR-ES25, with the NoREAD issue. Even with the drawer have open, I can't see the lens to clean it. Any ideas?

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I have a Panasonic DMR-ES25, with the NoREAD issue. Even with the drawer have open, I can't see the lens to clean it. Any ideas?

Can't PM mickinct without 15 posts?

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Describe the noises made as the DVD Drive spins up.

Read the second post in this thread as it will help you diagnose the problem and take the appropriate corrective action(s).

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DVD Drive in DMR-EH75VS not reading, but clicking...

Hey DigaDo, mad props for your knowledge with these machines. I have an EH75VS and it recently stopped recording to discs as well as reading them. I used your method for cleaning but no change. The disc goes in and then there's three to four clicks when the screen says "READ" then another click with a slightly different tone(if that makes sense) before the screen changes to "NoREAD". Same thing every time with all discs. Only help I've found is somebody on ebay advertising Panasonic service for $179 + shipping. Not even sure that covers the cost of a new drive or not. I've got the 1945 drive and think it may be the model that uses the digital PCB for alignment, so I'm leery of changing the drive myself. Any ideas?
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Hey DigaDo, mad props for your knowledge with these machines. I have an EH75VS and it recently stopped recording to discs as well as reading them. I used your method for cleaning but no change. The disc goes in and then there's three to four clicks when the screen says "READ" then another click with a slightly different tone(if that makes sense) before the screen changes to "NoREAD". Same thing every time with all discs. Only help I've found is somebody on ebay advertising Panasonic service for $179 + shipping. Not even sure that covers the cost of a new drive or not. I've got the 1945 drive and think it may be the model that uses the digital PCB for alignment, so I'm leery of changing the drive myself. Any ideas?
sent you a PM PART 2 -Having issues with your Panasonic DVD Recorder???---- (read)!!

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Hey DigaDo, mad props for your knowledge with these machines. I have an EH75VS and it recently stopped recording to discs as well as reading them. I used your method for cleaning but no change. The disc goes in and then there's three to four clicks when the screen says "READ" then another click with a slightly different tone(if that makes sense) before the screen changes to "NoREAD". Same thing every time with all discs. Only help I've found is somebody on ebay advertising Panasonic service for $179 + shipping. Not even sure that covers the cost of a new drive or not. I've got the 1945 drive and think it may be the model that uses the digital PCB for alignment, so I'm leery of changing the drive myself. Any ideas?

If your machine is making noises like this, then the laser has failed and I would suggest you send it to mickinct for repair.



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Lemon or Orange oil

I have not tried this, but probably will the next time my DVD spindle needs cleaning. Lemon and Orange oil contain limonene which is also used in some rubber rejuvenator products for electronics. I plan to try putting some very small amount on the underside of the disc (where it contacts the rubber on the spindle) before loading it into the drive. I would not use anything but a very thin film of it, like spreading a drop around the hole of the disc and then wiping with a paper towel.

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You could try it, but like you said be VERY minimal with it. Even using the salvia method if you use too much you see it radiating out from the spindle of the disc, which is not good. You wouldn't want any of that Lemon/orange substance getting on the disc, inside of the DVD drive or laser. Personally to apply it I'd take the cover off the DVD drive and then give the bottom rubber spindle a good scrubbing, of course often times taking the cover off the DVDR and then the cover off the drive can be hard to do. It is in my case where I have 3 DVDRs stacked along with 3 DVD players, getting to the lower DVDRs is quite the undertaking ......which is why I like to extend my cleanings with the salvia trick.
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I don't have any knowledge about limonene, but I am very suspicious of putting anything with the description of "oil" onto my drive spindle. I fear that "oil" would increase the slippage problem. If you could get the limonene without the oil part, you might have something there.

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I don't have any knowledge about limonene, but I am very suspicious of putting anything with the description of "oil" onto my drive spindle. I fear that "oil" would increase the slippage problem. If you could get the limonene without the oil part, you might have something there.
I have never tried it, but what about using a very small amount of automotive "belt dressing" on the rubber spindle?
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I have never tried it, but what about using a very small amount of automotive "belt dressing" on the rubber spindle?
I'd be inclined to do that more than something with "oil" in the description. I've used belt dressing on automotive belts to give it more grip, I suppose a small amount on the spindle might give it just enough grip.
What I like best about a product like Regrip is it doesn't leave any real residue but rather removes the outer layer of dead hard rubber, exposing the fresh grippy rubber under it. You don't really want anything that will leave the rubber sticky as sticky will attract dust and dirt more than just clean fresh rubber.
While these aren't the product I've used, they are made for rubber and sound like they may work:
https://www.amazon.com/Max-Professio...W9CJGSH3HFGRER
This one is more expensive but I like it's in a bottle(I'd suggest using something like a Q-tip to apply, then wiping everything off you can) and it also mentions Zero Residue, which is ideal.
https://www.amazon.com/MG-Chemicals-...0HX3PV34JCC0Y1
Again you don't really want to leave the spindle sticky, just grippy.
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I'd be inclined to do that more than something with "oil" in the description. I've used belt dressing on automotive belts to give it more grip, I suppose a small amount on the spindle might give it just enough grip.
What I like best about a product like Regrip is it doesn't leave any real residue but rather removes the outer layer of dead hard rubber, exposing the fresh grippy rubber under it. You don't really want anything that will leave the rubber sticky as sticky will attract dust and dirt more than just clean fresh rubber.
While these aren't the product I've used, they are made for rubber and sound like they may work:
https://www.amazon.com/Max-Professio...W9CJGSH3HFGRER
This one is more expensive but I like it's in a bottle(I'd suggest using something like a Q-tip to apply, then wiping everything off you can) and it also mentions Zero Residue, which is ideal.
https://www.amazon.com/MG-Chemicals-...0HX3PV34JCC0Y1
Again you don't really want to leave the spindle sticky, just grippy.
Thanks for the links, I will check them out. I see your logic about not having any dust-attracting sticky substance on the surface.
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