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Hi,

For years I had a Panasonic DMR-EH75V, which as AVS regulars know, is the best, except for the 80GB HDD. Sadly, a circuit board died, and repair is $700. Likewise, they sell for too-high prices on Ebay.

Now I'm looking for a modern DVR w/ HDD and DVD-R that has EPG.

In Sept 2009, is that a fool's errand?
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A TiVo hooked up to a standalone no-frills DVD recorder is about as close as you can get anymore. If you go with the lifetime service fee, it'll be around the same price as the repair.

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A TiVo hooked up to a standalone no-frills DVD recorder is about as close as you can get anymore. If you go with the lifetime service fee, it'll be around the same price as the repair.

I don't have high hopes for TiVo's long-term survival. Thanks, though.
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It's survived for ten years so far. I think TVGOS signals might vanish sooner.

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Hi,

For years I had a Panasonic DMR-EH75V, which as AVS regulars know, is the best, except for the 80GB HDD. Sadly, a circuit board died, and repair is $700. Likewise, they sell for too-high prices on Ebay.

Now I'm looking for a modern DVR w/ HDD and DVD-R that has EPG.

In Sept 2009, is that a fool's errand?

$700? Really! That sounds like a common price paid for replacement of the DMR-EH75 RAM (DVD) Drive/Digital PCB "module" by patrons of local multi-brand repair shops. (See the last paragraph in the below-linked post.)

As mentioned in my earlier response (to another of your posts) Panasonic offers a $130 flat-rate repair through their corporate Service Centers in Elgin and Elk Grove Village Illinois:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post14451738

Contact the Service Center in Elgin Illinois for the $130 flat-rate repair for Panasonic's hard drive models. The $130 flat-rate covers everything (parts, labor and return shipping) to return a Panasonic to new or better than new functional condition.

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I don't have high hopes for TiVo's long-term survival. Thanks, though.

Yeah, well, for all intents and purposes TVGOS died back in 2006 when all the recorders with that feature were discontinued. At that time, TiVO was in its second generation and is now in its third, with full HDTV support, ATSC tuning and connectivity to PC for burning BluRay compatible AVCHD discs. I'd be a hell of a lot more worried about the future viability of an analog-tuning TVGOS-equipped DVD recorder than I would be of a TiVO: TiVO ain't goin anywhere.

Get your Panasonic fixed via the secretive $130 flat-rate repair service recommended by DigaDo: you have no other choices. No new TVGOS-equipped recorders were introduced after your DMR-EH75v, and actually the DMR-EH75v was the most-perfected TVGOS version you could buy- equaled only by the DMR-EH55. If previous repairs to your unit failed quickly, its as DigaDo and jjeff surmise: something other than the drive is bad, or your environment causes the drive to accumulate grease and grit very quickly. Periodic cleaning is required to keep Panasonic burners functional, otherwise they "play dead". Study the links DigaDo provided for further details. Good luck!
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Get your existing Panasonic fixed or step up to one of the three current products with a EPG:

   
PRICE          
  Price online
  DVR fees
None
None
$129/year or
$330-$399 lifetime
Included
  Total online cost without any future fees
$229
$300
$580 - $650
$799
TUNERS          
  Tuners for off-air antenna
1
2
2
None
  Tuners for analog and digital cable
1
None
2
2x digital cable
1x analog with dongle
  Supports encrypted digital channels on cable    
X
X
BASIC          
  Program guide  
X
X
X
  High-definition output
(Only outputs in SD)
X
X
X
  Pause and rewind liveTV on both SD and HD channels
X
X
X
X
  Record one channel while you watch another live  
X
X
X
  Record one HD channel as SD while you watch a previously recorded show in SD
X
     
  Record two different HD channels, while you watch a previously recorded HD show  
X
X
X
  Pause, replay, 30sec skip, slow mo, and multiple speeds of FF and RW
X
X
X
X
  Skip-to-tick or comparable function (i.e. skip 15 minutes at a time)    
X
X
  Progress bar (on trickplay) shows current position in video
X
X
X
X
  Dual live buffers (i.e. saves pause position and video on inactive tuner)    
X
(Does not save position)
  Remembers where you left off in every recording
X
X
X
X
  Conflict management (i.e. ability to skip a scheduled recording to record something new)    
X
X
  Closed captions on recordings
(Analog only)
X
X
X
RECORD          
  Records HD at 100% original quality
(Only records in SD)
X
X
X
  Records all programs using VCR-like timers (ex: every Monday from 8:00-8:30pm)
X
X
   
  Records and tracks programs by their name    
X
X
  Ability to record only new episodes and ignore repeats    
X
X
  Automatically adjusts record schedule when programs change their days, times, and/or lengths    
X
X
  Series manager to prioritize what two programs are recorded when 3+ programs conflict    
X
X
  Automatic rescheduling so programs missed due to conflicts are recorded the next time they air    
X
X
  Overlap protection to eliminate conflicts when three or more programs overlap by up to five minutes    
X
 
  Automatically deletes oldest recording (not set "keep until I delete") when space needed for new recording    
X
X
  Start recordings early or end late  
X
X
X
  Keep only the last X episodes of a show    
X
X
  Keep recording until I delete or until space is needed  
X
X
X
GUIDE          
  Create recording from program guide selection  
X
X
X
  Guide filters and favorites    
X
X
  Delete individual channels from guide  
X
X
X
  Days of program information
None
8 days on some channels
14 days on all channels
14 days on all channels
  Comprehensive program information available on all channels in all markets    
X
X
  Detailed episode information and original airdate; distinguishes between new and repeat episodes    
X
X
  Downloads guide data without an Internet connection (wired or wireless) or phone line  
X
(Requires Internet or phone)
(Requires Internet)
  Integrates off-air and cable channels into a single guide  
N/A
X
N/A
  Maximum number of 30min timeslots shown on guide screen  
6 in grid
3 in grid, 8 in TiVo-style
6 in grid, 4 in Moxi-style
SEARCH          
  Search program titles and descriptions  
X
X
X
  Search program titles, descriptions, actors, directors, and categories with boolean operators (AND/OR/NOT)    
X
 
  Record a single program found with search  
X
X
X
  Automatically record all future programs matching a saved search    
X
 
DVR UI          
  Single-click delete    
X
 
  Deleted Items folder with recording undelete    
X
 
  Number of programs shown on recorded list screen
?
6
8
10
  Recorded list shows name of every recording  
X
X
X
  Recorded list shows date of every recording    
X
X
  Recorded list can be sorted by name, date, or grouped  
X
X
 
  Program groups (folders) can be sorted by name or date  
(Name only)
X
(Name only)
  Inside program groups (folders), recordings are sorted by recorded date    
X
X
  Inside program groups (folders), episode names are listed    
X
X
  Record schedule shows names of upcoming programs    
X
X
  Recorded history shows why programs didn't record  
(Limited)
X
 
  Free disk space estimate
X
X
(Recently Deleted)
X
  No advertising of any kind
X
X
X
STORAGE          
  Built-in capacity
160GB
250GB
160GB (1TB on XL)
500 GB
  Supports external drive expansion    
Up to 1TB
Up to 6 TB w/ RAID
  Allows internal hard drive upgrades
X
X
X
?
TRANSFER          
  Allows download/transfer of HD and SD recorded files to a computer    
X
 
  Allows transfer of PC videos to DVR for viewing    
X
 
  Allows streaming of PC videos to DVR for viewing    
(Limited)
X
  Software to automatically download favorite series and convert them for portable players (ex: iPhone)    
X
 
MULTIROOM          
  Access and view recordings on a DVR in another room    
X
X
  Pause a recording in one room and resume it in another    
X
X
ONLINE          
  Connects to Internet time server each night to set clock    
X
X
  Download software updates using ethernet connection  
X
X
X
  Remote scheduling via the web and mobile phone    
X
X
  Real-time conflict management for remote scheduling      
X
  Edit and/or delete scheduled recordings online      
X
  View list of recorded programs and upcoming / scheduled recordings online    
X
X
  Subscribe to specific RSS video feeds and podcasts (i.e. so they automatically download when available)    
X
 
  Support for Amazon's "TV Passes" (i.e. purchase a cable series and new episodes are downloaded in HD)    
X
 
  Support for Netflix SD/HD streaming    
X
Netflix SD Only
(Requires third-party software)
           
OTHER          
  Requires phone line? Requires Internet connection? Requires one or the other?
No/No/No
No/No/No
No/No/Yes
No/Yes
  Native output mode to output all video as is without conversion    
X
X
  Downconverts HD video to SD over s-video and composite connections for non-HDTVs
X
(Composite only)
X
X
  All SD and HD outputs active simultaneously  
X
X
X
  Allows 16:9 anamorphic output through SD connections    
X
 
  DLNA compliant      
X
  Built-in DVD writer
X
     
WARRANTY          
  Parts warranty
One year
90 days
One year
One year
  Cost to replace after warranty expires
?
$300
$150
$?
  Cost to transfer lifetime service to a replacement DVR for three years
N/A
N/A
$0
N/A
  Cost to transfer lifetime service to a replacement DVR after three years
N/A
N/A
$199
N/A
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I don't have high hopes for TiVo's long-term survival. Thanks, though.



You might be right on that one!

8/10/09 - TIVO Patent May Be Invalid
PTO Preliminary Review Rejects 'Time Warp' Claims


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While I would love to see TiVOs patents blown out of the water, because I think they're largely bogus and fear of litigation is one of the factors keeping advanced DVD/HDD recorders out of the US, this case has dragged on forever and in the long run means nothing in regards to TiVOs survival. They already managed to destroy RePlay TV, which was their only serious competition. Even if they lose all their patents tomorrow, TiVO still has the brand name recognition and definitely owns their interface. Worst comes to worst, they'll just license it or another electronics giant would buy them out for the interface. TiVO is not my thing, I prefer the additional control of a DVD/HDD recorder, but if I was interested in TiVO I wouldn't be the least bit worried about its survival in some form. If they eventually lose the patent battle, it might take the wind out of their sails as a hardware mfr, but the concept itself will live on one way or another.
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