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At one time my impression was that Tayo Uden (sorry if the spelling is wrong) and Verbatim were of equal quality, but since Verbatim changed where they were being made, I've heard the quality crashed and they were no longer as reliable.

Since then I've stuck with TY/JVC discs.

The other day I saw some Verbatim discs in a store and wondered if they've regained their status, or if they're still as "iffy" as they'd become.
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At one time my impression was that Tayo Uden (sorry if the spelling is wrong) and Verbatim were of equal quality, but since Verbatim changed where they were being made, I've heard the quality crashed and they were no longer as reliable.

Since then I've stuck with TY/JVC discs.

The other day I saw some Verbatim discs in a store and wondered if they've regained their status, or if they're still as "iffy" as they'd become.

If you must purchase 16x discs in a retail store the Verbatim AZO series are the ones to buy. Avoid the Life series that are inferior to the AZO series. The AZO logo is easy to spot on the spindle wrapper and the insert at the top of the spindle.
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Notice that Verbatim itself characterizes the Life series as "good recording quality" while the AZO series is "superior recording quality."

http://www.verbatim.com/products/det...1CD8C4156EA2D3

http://www.verbatim.com/products/det...1CD8C4156EA2D3

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Contrary to what we originally thought it seems like Verbatim is continuing to make the better AZO discs. It's just the mass marketers that have switched to the Life series DVDs, I still see the better AZOs online and at some B&M stores.
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For Verbatim DVD±R, if you can't see "AZO" on the ad pkg, look for specs that always seem to mention AZO, and look for DataLifePlus in the name.

For DVD±RW, Super Eutectic Recording Layer (SERL) should be mentioned or visible.
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Thanks guys.

I wasn't inclined to buy at the store. It just got me thinking.

I know a lot of people use SuperMediaStore. I personally use Tape Warehouse.
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Super Eutectic Recording Layer

The eutectic point is the lowest temperature in which a combination of chemicals can solidify. What has THAT to do with DVD dye? What would the term "super eutectic" even mean?

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The eutectic point is the lowest temperature in which a combination of chemicals can solidify. What has THAT to do with DVD dye? What would the term "super eutectic" even mean?

Apparently, SERL is Verbatim's patented technology that's described here and many other places as:

"SERL

Used with Verbatim DVD Rewritable, CD-RW 10x - 32x media.

A special recording layer present on Verbatim's CD-RW and DVD/RW media that ensures noise-free recording time and time again.

Verbatim's CD-Rewriteable (CD-RW) and DVD-Rewriteable (DVD+/-RW) use a Super Eutectic Recording Layer (SERL). With conventional rewriteable media, the recording layer deteriorates with every rewrite, meaning a decrease in quality. With Verbatim rewriteable media however, the recording layer is returned to perfect condition on every erasure, leaving a flawless disk for the next recording. SERL also enables this media to enjoy excellent archival stability and high-speed recording. This means users can enjoy perfect, high-speed data storage every time."
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Ah HA! So it's some scientific-sounding terms strung together in a meaningless, but plausable-sounding manner for marketing purposes.

I get it!

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That... or they formulated a dye that can be burned and erased at lower temperature, thereby reducing stress in the dye and increasing longevity?
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As I have repeated on every Verbatim thread in the last few months - The Verbatim DVD-R AZO from Newegg made in the United Arab Emirates are giving me the best post-burn scans I have ever seen with my equipment from ANY DVD maker or type disc. So far, the UAE stuff is Legen.... wait for it


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The eutectic point is the lowest temperature in which a combination of chemicals can solidify. What has THAT to do with DVD dye?

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That... or they formulated a dye that can be burned and erased at lower temperature, thereby reducing stress in the dye and increasing longevity?

Not a dye. From this reference:

"The recording layer in DVD-RW and DVD+RW is not an organic dye, but a special phase change metal alloy, often GeSbTe. The alloy can be switched back and forth between a crystalline phase and an amorphous phase, changing the reflectivity, depending on the power of the laser beam. Data can thus be written, erased and re-written."

The GeSbTe may be an eutectic alloy.

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Which of these might I be looking for, and why one over the other?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...atim+DVD-R+AZO
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Either would be good. The second OEM is if you like the shinny writing surface(like many Ty DVDs use). Your link doesn't show the inferior life series. I don't like the shinny surface due to finger prints but if you like a totally blank surface and fingerprints don't bother you, then the OEM may be your best bet.
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These are the ones that have been giving me killer burns and are $24.99/100 shipped right now. The go on sale for $19-20 every so often as well.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817507005
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These are the ones that have been giving me killer burns and are $24.99/100 shipped right now. The go on sale for $19-20 every so often as well.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817507005

Here are few of the Verbatim AZO DVD-R spindles I purchased at Office Max back in July:
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For any of our Canadian DVD archivers

London Drugs still sells the AZO verbs and every couple of months they throw the 50 - pack on sale for $12.99 walk in price. I have a store half a block away and just today got another 50 for $12.99. Two months ago I bought 50 azos for $12.99 Now I have enough discs until the end of 2011.

I know, I know DigaDo, for you it's a week's worth.

50 -R for $12.99

50 +R for $12.99
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Here are few of the Verbatim AZO DVD-R spindles I purchased at Office Max back in July:

Nice man. Shows the difference in packaging quite clearly. Have you been doing any Quality Scans on the UAE stuff? What results if so? Thanks man.
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Wanted to bump an old thread to say thank for the excellent information. I was wondering / whether it was worth it to get some Life Series ... which were on sale.

I'll keep holding off for a better product, thank you.
Any changes re: quality of the Verbatim discs since this thread was posted.

What would be the best second choice?
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I'd say recent developments have Verbatim AZO as the first choice, TY as 2nd.
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1st choice is probably JVC's Taiyo Yuden 8x or Verbatim 8x followed by Tys 16x or Verbatim 16x AZO series. As you have read Verbs Life series isn't really made by Verbatium but rather the same parent company that makes the dreaded Memorex(CMC).
That said I have used the Life series on occasion, mostly in my duplicator or PC and have had decent luck, I'm more worried about long term storage or whether it's hard on the fragile burner in my DVDRs.
Personally I've had excellent results with either 8x Tys or 16x AZO Verbatims, I've never tried 8x Verbs or 16x Tys. To me the one advantage to Tys is their slightly tacky spindle which I believe helps hold the disc to the spindle, more important for older DVDRs especially Panasonics or even Pioneers.
Looks like dare2be likes AZOs first, I don't think you could go wrong with either
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Looks like dare2be likes AZOs first, I don't think you could go wrong with either

Sorry, just reporting off what I remember recently reading in this forum, sorry, didn't/don't have time to go searching for those posts.
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Digitalfaq.com's current recommendation for #1 is Verbatim AZO, with TY #2 and Sony #3.

I had to change my DVD help file to list Verbatim AZO as #1. Before, TY was #1 based on user comments/prefs here.

TY's joint venture with JVC and "significant reduction in production and workforce" might make it *somewhat* less desirable to some today?
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Digitalfaq.com's current recommendation for #1 is Verbatim AZO, with TY #2 and Sony #3.

TY's joint venture with JVC and "significant reduction in production and workforce" might make it *somewhat* less desirable to some today?

Thanks, Wajo, I knew I read that here and wasn't just talking out my arse.
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I'd say recent developments have Verbatim AZO as the first choice, TY as 2nd.

Yes I'd say this as well.
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I pretty much use equal quantities of Verb AZO 8x and TY 8x (maybe 25-30 of each per month) in my DVDRs--Panasonic, Pioneer, an old Philips 3575, and the later Maggies--and both work fine in all machines.

The only times I seem to have trouble burning something is when the file has gotten correupted on the DVDR's HDD. And then it won't dub to any media, period.
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Thank you for the replies.

I will continue to buy / use AZO. Though i'll explore the other brands.
I generally burn at 4x so I think the Life Series would work, but I was worried about longer term life span as well.
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