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Dear Funai: Wish List #2... The Next Generation

Here's a NEW Wish List for a "next-generation" HDD/BD/DVD recorder (DVR) for the North American (N.A.) market. It's based on the original Wish List for HDD/DVD recorders here. Many of the items listed there are included here as well.

 

We'd like many things on this "next-generation" DVR, starting with the list of items below.

Hopefully, others will contribute their positive ideas in subsequent posts. You can decide which items can be accommodated based on your internal technology and personnel resources. Here's a simple list of items, followed by full descriptions.

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  1. Electronic Program Guide (EPG) / Pre-titling of Timer Recordings
  2. High Def (HD) HDD/BD/DVD Recording with DD5.1 Audio.
  3. User-Selectable Variable Bit Rates.
  4. Multiple Integrated Analog/Digital Tuners.
  5. Multiple HDDs, Separately Addressable.
  6. BD, DVD, CD, DivX, Xvid Playback.
  7. IR Blaster
  8. Wireless LAN with Streaming and DLNA/UPnP/MoCA.
  9. More Line Inputs and Outputs for Added Functionality.
  10. Enhancements to Remote.
  11. Remote with Quickly Switchable Codes for Multiple Machines.
  12. Buffer (Accumulate) Remote Commands for Multiple Playback Moves.
  13. Discrete Commands for ON, OFF and INPUT in Remote Command Set
  14. More Useful Layout(s) for HDD Title Menu.
  15. Bidirectional Coax Passthru Circuit.
  16. Indicator Lights on Front Panel for ON and RECORDING.
  17. 12-hour Clock (AM/PM) That Uses NIST WWVB Atomic Clock Signal for Auto-Clock Sync
  18. HDD Files Easily Transferrable to PC for Editing and BD Disc Authoring.
  19. Cable Card (CC), USB Port and Tuning Adapter (TA) Capability.
  20. 3D Capability.
  21. High-Speed Dubbing (HSD) in Both Directions.
  22. Other Titling Methods
  23. More Editing Options and Functionality.
  24. Frame-Accurate Editing.
  25. Delete Empty Title/Space on DVDs.
  26. An UNDO Command.
  27. Change Index Pic on HDD.
  28. Delete-All Option for HDD in Chapter Edit Menu.
  29. Program Playback Option for HDD.
  30. Auto-Finalize Option in Dubbing Menu.
  31. Dubbing Option for Auto-Play or Show Menu.
  32. Settings Backup-and-Restore Option.
  33. FW Backup-and-Restore Option.
  34. Digital-Channel Display Menu NOT Recordable in Buffer.
  35. Add TUES-SAT Option to Timer Rec Menu.
  36. Deactivate "Resume Playback" Option on Unwatched "New" Titles
  37. Reduce Time-Gap Between Start of Finalize and Next Timer Rec Program


  1. Electronic Program Guide (EPG) / Pre-titling of Timer Recordings
    A stable and reliable Electronic Program Guide for searching for TV programs and selecting them for recording. System should allow for manual "padding" of start and end times to cover unusual circumstances. If Funai does not want to develop a custom EPG for this machine, an ideal "prepackaged" EPG is available from Tribune Media Services, which supplies the EPG for Tivo, ReplayTV, and others. This EPG should auto-title recorded shows so, if an EPG cannot be supplied, at least allow users to manually pre-title their timer recording programs, like the MDR515 and 53x HDD/DVD recorder have now. Text entry via QWERTY keyboard would be an outstanding, user-friendly addition!

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  2. High Def (HD) HDD/BD/DVD Recording with DD5.1 Audio.
    Record from analog/digital tuners and line inputs to HDD, BD, DVD±R and DVD±RW. We still need an analog tuner because our cable companies still offer them in their Broadcast Basic subscriber package, the only one mandated by the FCC to remain in-the-clear. It is, of course, the lowest-cost package so it's the only cable subscription MANY people can afford here. Should be capable of recording in MPEG-1, -2, and -4 formats... MPEG-4 will very likely be new "standard" in U.S. in not-too-distant future. If having a DVD burner interferes in any way with having an all-HD system, drop DVD burner.

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  3. User-Selectable Variable Bit Rates.
    Allow users to choose the bit rate of each recording in two ways: (1) standard Rec Modes like we can now for the current Mag HDD/DVD recorders, plus (2) a "Variable" mode BETWEEN the standard modes for odd times. Panasonic's "Flex" mode fills up a disc with a non-standard bit rate for the time the user sets. For example, for a 2:15:00 title, the user can set that specific time and the machine will fit that time on a disc at a bit rate that is NOT one of the bit rates for a standard rec mode (HQ, SP, etc.). Pioneers have a "Manual" (MN) mode with selectable 10-minute intervals that will set a bit rate as close as possible to a specific run time. The AUTO mode on the current HDD recorders is useless because it just selects one of the standard rec modes closest to file size. We need a non-standard rec mode that will fill a disc using a non-standard bit rate. You could name it "Variable" so you're not using either the Panasonic or Pioneer name for it.

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  4. Multiple Integrated Analog/Digital Tuners.
    Must have MULTIPLE tuners... 2 would be "old" technology and 4 would be "latest" technology and ideal. They must be the "integrated" type: all channels in sequence, no switching between analog and digital, i.e., just like most modern N.A. HDTVs today. Integrated tuners also allow deleting a single channel in a digital group, sorely needed in today's broadcast/cable environment where they package all kinds of crappy subchannels with one good major channel. Users can then delete individual subchannels they won't watch and leave only those they will watch... much easier using the CH+/- button to surf channels.

    WHY NOT JUST USE YOUR BEST INTEGRATED TUNER FROM YOUR LCD HDTV LINE?

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  5. Multiple HDDs, Separately Addressable.
    Internal + USB 3.0 external + E-SATA. The HDD system should have the following features:
    If USB is a problem for Funai, that would be very bad in today's N.A. market! However, Funai could still put one or more E-SATA connectors on back for users to connect their own 1- to 3-TB removable/interchangeable SATA/E-SATA drives, enclosures, docking stations, etc.?
    1. For external HDD connectivity, include both USB 3.0 and E-SATA connectors, separately addressable in the FW so users can connect to BOTH connectors and select the internal or external HDD they want to play or record to. Each HDD is just another menu item or button to select and each has a separate video/audio path to its HDD in control logic. The E-SATA connector would allow a user to attach a single SATA drive in an enclosure or a docking station for multiple SATA HDDs, as they do now with the HDD/DVD recorders.
    2. If separate addressability is not feasible, allow user to remove internal drive and connect external drives, one at a time, to either USB or E-SATA connector on back. Control logic should "auto-sense" which port is being used by a HDD or docking station so no special user-interaction is required.
    3. Minimum 1TB capacity, with upgrade up to 3 TB allowed by FW. In fact, remove the FW limit on HDD capacity and, if there's a technical reason for the limit, REMOVE OR FIX THE REASON!
    4. If internal/external system, allow user to select which to record to... no "striping" like Tivo or "spillover" like Moxi where removal of one drive can affect the entire recorded title set.
    5. All DIY capable, no hocus-pocus, special tools, complex computer linkups, etc. In fact, if you want MAXIMUM number of sales, keep it as SIMPLE as possible, not requiring computers or techy/geeky skills at all... in fact, many of your customers will be coming from VCR or single-disc SD DVDR. Just accept fact that MOST potential buyers in U.S. and N.A. want simple, reliable HD recorder with user-friendly features and ops. Ignore inevitable negative comments here from Tivo salesmen and other elitists who post here because they represent 1% or less of your potential customers. 
    6. Allow "unlimited" number of external USB HDDs (all USB versions) to be swapped in and out without formatting, like we have now with your HDD/DVD recorders.
    7. Recognizable/playable/recordable on multiple separate machines of same brand/type so they're portable (from living room to bedroom, from home to office, etc.). That is, DO NOT make them forever mated to only one machine SN or chassis like HDTV DVRs. Also, DO NOT force the user to reformat and lose recorded titles like Panasonic and some other recorders.

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  6. BD, DVD±R(W), CD, DivX, Xvid Playback.
    Allow users to play back the common disc types used in N.A.

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  7. IR Blaster
    To change channel on cable/sat STB for coordinated timer rec programs. This is CRITICAL need for cable or satellite STB users, so they can coordinate timer rec programs with their STBs... ESPECIALLY CRITICAL to cable STB users since U.S. cablecos are "locking down" their channels so STB is needed for all but local broadcast (OTA) channels.

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  8. Wired/Wireless LAN with Streaming and DLNA/UPnP/MoCA.
    A LAN/UPnP* capability (like in your HDTVs) that can be used either wired or wireless (some people like wired for more netwrok "stability"). Being in the recorder, the LAN/UPnP options could be used on ANY TV, very desirable for people with older, non-LAN/UPnP-capable TVs. They could then stream fee-based video services like NetflixWalmart/VUDUAmazon VOD, Pandora and others, which are quickly becoming a desired option in many N.A. homes. DLNAUPnP, and MoCA would allow the user to connect and communicate with his/her computer and video devices over a home network, like they do now in sharing their broadband Internet.

    *UPnP with proper security/authentication control. See this Wiki article's "Problems with UPnP" for info and NEW fault found in Jan 2013.

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  9. More Line Inputs and Outputs for Added Functionality
    1. Three Composite, two IN/OUT back, one IN front, with separate audio L/R.
    2. Three S-Video, two IN/OUT back, one IN front, with separate audio L/R.
    3. One HDMI OUT back.
    4. One Component IN back, with its own audio L/R, to allow non-letterboxed 16:9 WS output from cable and satellite STB/DVRs.
    5. One HDMI IN back.
    6. Coax and optical digital audio OUT.
    7. Two headphone jacks, one front and one back.
    8. Internet connection for video streaming from Netflix and other paid services.
    9. Internet connection for downloading TV listings in an app like Media Center so the user can mport program titles and info from the listings when setting timer recordings.
    10. Make line inputs "smart" so they auto-sense and don't need a "switch" (manual menu option) to tell them which input to accept. Like Pioneer 640 and others.
       
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  10. Enhancements to Remote.
    We thank you for giving us a better remote for the MDR515H/F7 HDD-DVD recorder. In addition to the features in that remote, an IDEAL remote would also have:
    1. More elegant and ergonomic design (like the Tivo remotes here).
    2. Closed-caption (CC) button that opens recorder's digital CC menu, or directly sets it to view, record or both.
    3. "Last" button (last channel).
    4. TV volume button.
    5. Chapter button to add Chapter Mark when pressed while recording (chaptering "on the fly").
    6. "Code" button for operating individual machines in multi-machine setup, as described in next item in this list.
    7. Backlighting for buttons (one thing people really miss on Mag remotes).
    8. Brighter, clearer, more-visible text for buttons (fluorescent ink?). Many people complain about light text being unreadable in darkened room.
    9. Higher-quality build? (Several people says the 515 remote is "cheap." Apparently, we'd pay more for a "non-cheap" remote?)
    10. Compared to 515 remote, Display and Menu buttons should be switched back to same as 2160/2160A/513 remotes, which had Display below arrows, not Menu. Also, Menu button should be named "Setup" like those earlier remotes.
    11. Compared to 515 remote, CH+/- and Skip/Replay buttons should be narrower so all Play-mode buttons could fit between them and other bottom buttons raised up (too close to bottom now). "Clustered" Play-mode buttons are especially important for editing... good "clustering" example is this Philips SRP Universal Remote.
    12. Thinner than 515 remote so it's easier to handle for playback and editing.


    As far as design, one that people seem to really like is Tivo "peanut-shaped" remotes in the link above, which helps designer create buttons shaped to fit and divides remote into "sections" user can FEEL in dark (top, center and bottom). Each section has specific buttons user can remember easily. Sectioned design also allows different shapes for buttons as additional sensory clue. Tivo remote also has back-lit keys, which are sign of "refinement" and "user-friendliness."

    CC button on remote should allow you to turn the recorder's digital CC ON for (1) viewing and (2) recording... maybe open an option menu for users to make digital CC selections quickly (checkboxes?). (Analog CC is controlled solely by the TV.)

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  11. Remote with Quickly Switchable Codes for Multiple Machines.
    We REALLY need "switchable" remote for operating multiple Funai-built recorders of same model in same entertainment system. This is "enhanced" version of remote codes in most video equipment where you set Remote to a specific Remote # and, separately, one or more recorders to that same number. HOWEVER, now that remote can ONLY operate machines with that same code embedded in their OS, and it'll operate them simultaneously, which is why we need the "enhancement."

    Enhancement needed is same embedded menu to set machine to specific code # (like #1 thru #9) BUT the enhanced remote has a new "Code" button that you can press, followed by a number key, to set it to one of the numbers to immediately control only that same-numbered machine. This concept is similar to Tivo remote described here.

    This way, once you menu-set multiple machines with their unique code #s (1-9, only needed one time), you can then quickly set REMOTE to one of those code numbers using "Code+number" key combination so it operates only that same code-numbered machine. Programming code could allow ANY NUMBER (?) since it's only a program instruction to "match numbers" although 2-digit numbers might not be possible? Having at least 9 numbers for codes would probably be sufficient if the new HD machine had more than one tuner. User would also need some way to "verify" which code number he set on remote, such as pressing only the Code button (without number), which displays current remote code either on remote or on TV, or both.

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  12. Buffer (Accumulate) Remote Commands for Multiple Playback Moves.
    Allow multiple key presses to accumulate in memory and move playback all at once. For example, user sets SKIP for 30 sec then presses SKIP button 4 times in rapid sequence and playback skips 2 minutes all at once. This applies to SKIP, REPLAY, FF, REW, NEXT, PREV key commands. By the way, on current Mag HDD recorders, PREV and NEXT keys WILL accumulate when playing the buffer if they're pressed in quick succession!

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  13. Discrete Commands for ON, OFF and INPUT in Remote Command Set

    Discrete ON: remote command to power ON unit if it is currently OFF, and leave it ON if it's already ON.

    Discrete OFF: remote command to power OFF unit if it is currently ON, and leave it OFF if it's already OFF.

    INPUT: remote command to select specific input (each of inputs on specific model, including L1, L2, L3 (DV) and USB, SD, etc. if applicable in future units).

    With discrete ON and OFF commands, there would be no need for PLAY or (Open/Close) to turn unit ON... universal remote users would then have code that they could program to turn their units ON instead of using PLAY command as noted in Wish #47 here.

    Each remote command does not have to have button assigned to it. As long it is provided in remote code command set, then it can be used to program universal remotes to perform function.

    No "teaching" is needed for most universal remotes such as URC, RCA, UEI, and Harmony. Discrete ON and OFF are very commonly provided by late model devices such as DVD player, DVDR, DVR, AVR. These are simplest code to add to remote code set.

    Funai does not need to add new remote code set to do this. ("New" code set is for controlling multiple units.) They can just add to existing one already provided, and use updated set on new models. For older models like 2160/2160A/513/515, FW update would easily give us this added capability.

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  14. More Useful Layout(s) for HDD Title Menu.
    Make HDD recorded title page display show number of SMALLER index pics PLUS title for each of those, all at same time. Long titles could be truncated (shortened) just for that title menu page to save space and fit many titles on page. Again, goal would be to allow user to see as many title NAMES as possible on one page. With smaller index pics, you could line them up on left and have titles on right of each index pic, or some other arrangement. I think we still need index pic for manual recordings that won't have custom title, so cannot get rid of pics altogether?

    Also, add "Viewing Options" for HDD titles. Allow users to create Folders for assembling genres, and allow them to arrange their recorded titles for viewing in different ways: alphabetical, by rec date, by genre, list-only (no index pic), etc... similar or same as on Philips DVDR3455.

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  15. Bidirectional Coax Passthru Circuit.
    Combine your normal amplification with bidirectionality ("passive return path") like many amplified splitters on the market today. Bidirectionality is required for 2-way communication with cable TV service providers so users can order PPV or VOD thru coax with their DVR 1st on coax. This allows them to tune any clear-QAM channels without resorting to splitter and suffering needless -3.7 or even -7.4dB reduction in signal strength. Also, using splitter denies STB added benefit of DVR's amplification of incoming signal.

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  16. Indicator Lights on Front Panel for ON and RECORDING.
    Add front-panel indicator lights: GREEN LED when ON, and BLUE LED when recording, like the Philips 3575/3576 except have light on when recording to EITHER drive. 3575/6 only lights when you select the drive that's recording so, if you last played a DVD, there is no indication when a HDD recording is ongoing... you have to switch to the HDD to confirm, after panicking, of course.

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  17. 12-hour Clock (AM/PM) That Uses NIST WWVB Atomic Clock Signal for Auto-Clock Sync
    Need 12-hour am/pm clock, not Universal/Military 24-hour time.

    Also, change Auto Clock synchronization to passive system like Atomic Clocks have across North America. System "continuously broadcasts time and frequency signals at 60 kHz" from U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) radio station WWVB and its antenna array in Ft. Collins, CO. That linked page has info on the signal and resources for mfgrs who want to include the NIST time signal in their devices.

    With a NIST clock system, u
    ser devices are passive and automatically set themselves to the correct time and date by receiving and decoding the NIST radio signal with a simple internal receiver. Coverage maps of the NIST signal are here. Coverage depends on time of day but, suffice to say, all of U.S. and most of Canada receive the signal at least once every day.

    From their website: "NIST radio station WWVB is located on the same site as WWV near Fort Collins, Colorado. The WWVB broadcasts are used by millions of people throughout North America to synchronize consumer electronic products like wall clocks, clock radios, and wristwatches. In addition, WWVB is used for high level applications such as network time synchronization and frequency calibrations."

    No need for permanent or intermittent connection to internet, which MANY people don't have, or reliance on a service provider or RF cable/antenna which have severe problems when sent by commercial (for-profit) TV stations, mixed in with the TV signal!

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  18. HDD Files Easily Transferrable to PC or Mac Computer for Editing and BD Disc Authoring.
    At least allow this for the user's home-made, non-copyrighted video files? Give us something here!

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  19. Cable Card (CC), USB Port and Tuning Adapter (TA) Capability.
    We need a 2-way-capable solution for current cable-company push towards both scrambled digital programming (requiring cable card) and Switched Digital Video (SDV) (requiring USB-connected TA for required 2-way communication)... or some newer technology like Tru2Way and ???

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  20. 3D Capability.
    Whatever form this takes, and only if it's proven to NOT be a fad by the time you address this... and only if it doesn't degrade the quality of "normal" programs.

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  21. High-Speed Dubbing (HSD) in Both Directions.
    Allow HSD from HDD>DVD and from DVD>HDD.

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  22. Other Titling Methods
    Current "texting" method for titling is ideal for young people used to texting on their cell phones. They're blazingly FAST but generally refuse to change to a phone with a keyboard. However, old people hate that method so, for new recorder, include one or both of these two options: (1) on-screen menu of letters, numbers and characters to pick with remote's arrow and OK keys (like Pio 640), which should satisfy all age groups, (2) text entry with wireless keyboard. Especially cool would be Bluetooth capability for wireless mobile keyboard like this folding one by Verbatim (~$50).

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  23. More Editing Options and Functionality.
    Install all of the editing options of the current HDD/DVD recorders, but add some others:
    1. Title Combine, which might need to allow all editing on a "virtual" copy of title(s), like current Pioneer and Panasonic DVD recorders. They allow you to put title(s) in a Copy List, which creates a virtual copy, leaving the original intact.
    2. Editing with full-sized or near-full-sized image (like playback) with context-appropriate menus superimposed over the image, but NOT over the center of the image as it is now... position messages, dialogs and menus so they aren't obscuring the very center of the image window.
    3. Ability to view the Edit playback at 1.3x with audio.
    4. Text entry via QWERTY keyboard would be outstanding!
       
  24. Frame-Accurate Editing.
    Make edit points (Scene Deletes, Chapter Marks, etc.) frame-accurate so they end up exactly where the user wanted them if he dubs from HDD to DVD in HIGH speed, instead of the current DVD-std "within 15 frames." To get more accurate edit points now with current HDD/DVD recorders, we have to dub in real time, which is NOT the best way to dub.

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  25. Delete Empty Title/Space on DVDs
    Make "Empty Title" AND "Empty Space" NOT show up in Disc Menu... its technical purpose is confusing and just not understood in U.S. NO user wants that Empty Title/Space in their disc menus. They can see disc-remaining time in INFO/DISPLAY screen. Options might include:

    a. If technically possible, make deleting the Empty Title/Space indication in disc menus a function of the FINALIZE process.

    b. Add "Delete Empty Title/Space and Finalize?" option to Disc Edit menu. Making that dual-purpose option would be smart since Deleting Empty Title/Space currently fills up disc by Overwriting it, which is real-time operation taking long time, even at HQ rec mode, if there's lots of space left. If this is done, make sure to add note that "Answering Yes will prevent more recordings to this disc" or something like that.

    c. Add Yes/No dialog in Dubbing menu(s) to "Delete Empty Title/Space" after that dubbing process. This would still have to have note that Deleting Empty Title/SPace will fill disc so no more can be added. It also leaves Finalizing as separarate step, so not as user-friendly as a or b.

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  26. An UNDO Command.
    Allow users to UNDO last or last several edits made so there's less need to back out and start over if a mistake is made.

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  27. Change Index Pic on HDD.
    Allow the user to select the frame desired for the index pic on HDD titles, as it is for DVD titles of your previous DVD recorders.

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  28. Delete-All Option for HDD in Chapter Edit Menu.
    Allow user to Delete All chapters on a title on the HDD using a single command, same as you now allow on DVDs in your HDD/DVD recorders. Just extend that to HDD as well.

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  29. Program Playback Option for HDD.
    Allow user to select HDD titles to play sequentially, like we can for DVD titles using the Program Playback option. This will allow users to play certain HDD titles sequentially or to copy titles from one HDD to another for an HDD replacement or upgrade. They could play multiple titles while recording on the 2nd HDD in an unattended process.

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  30. Auto-Finalize Option in Dubbing Menu.
    Add option to Auto-Fiinalize when dub is complete, like dialog: "Do you want to Finalize this disc when dubbing is complete? Yes/No." Make "No" default. Retain Manual-Finalize op in Disc Edit menu for those times you answer "No" to Auto-Finalize because you plan to add more to that disc. You can eliminate current Auto-Finalize options in Recording menu since they're essentially useless.

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  31. Dubbing Option for Auto-Play or Show Menu.
    Set bit(s) to Auto-Play 1st Ttitle or Show Menu, when dub is complete, using dialog like:
    "Do you want this DVD to [checkbox] Auto-Play or [checkbox] Show Menu. Use checkmark to set appropriate playback option."
    Make Auto-Play default but user-switchable to "Show Menu" by pressing Disc Menu button once before or during playback.

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  32. Settings Backup-and-Restore Option.
    Allow user to save a recorder's settings on a CD or DVD and restore them after a power loss or other memory-loss event. If power goes out for an extended period of time, or if the user replaces the HDD, he/she could just insert the recovery CD/DVD and restore all settings. As a minimum, it should save the setup options, tuner channel presets, and timer recording schedule.

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  33. FW Backup-and-Restore Option.
    Allow user to save a recorder's FW on a CD or DVD and restore it if the FW becomes corrupted.

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  34. Digital-Channel Display Menu NOT Recordable in Buffer.
    Make the 1st DISPLAY menu on digital channels NOT recordable in the buffer, like the other menus that appear with subsequent button presses. Simply make all other Display menus NOT RECORDABLE.

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  35. Add TUES-SAT Option to Timer Rec Menu
    Add a TUES-SAT option to the Date box in the timer rec program menu. Several people have asked for this as the most-convenient way to record daily shows that start after midnight.

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  36. Deactivate "Resume Playback" Option on Unwatched "New" Titles
    For unwatched titles marked "New," deactivate (grey-out) the "Resume Playback" option, leaving "Play from Start" as only Play option.

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  37. Reduce Time-Gap Between Start of Finalize and Next Timer Rec Program
    Reduce time-gap required between start of DVD Finalize op and start of next timer rec program from 1-hour to 15 minutes. My tests indicate that longest time needed for slowest combo of a 3575, DVD-RW and shortest title/content (10-sec) is 8½ minutes. (The shorter the title/content, the longer Finalize takes.)

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I'll buy one if it's not too expensive. It needs to have HDMI inputs also.

How can we say "the digital transition is complete" when thousands of low power stations are still broadcasting in analog?
LOW POWER ANALOG NEEDS TO DIE NOW!!!
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I'll buy one if it's not too expensive. It needs to have HDMI inputs also.

I don't think HDMI input is possible in a consumer recording device since the HDMI licensing group won't allow it?

If that's wrong, then let's have it!
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Ahh, dreams are wonderful things...

About the atomic clock - fine idea, but as a wearer of an atomic watch, I know that it will limit placement of your equipment, especially if you live in a concrete and steel apartment building. Or, perhaps they could make a remote sensor that you can stick on a window that faces Colorado...
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Ahh, dreams are wonderful things...

About the atomic clock - fine idea, but as a wearer of an atomic watch, I know that it will limit placement of your equipment, especially if you live in a concrete and steel apartment building. Or, perhaps they could make a remote sensor that you can stick on a window that faces Colorado...

Right, then can and do. I just added some additional info, incl. the use of the receiver/transmitter that comes with all the larger household atomic clocks, which you attach on or in your house.
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How about adding internet capability, no not for watching Youtube, but downloading tv listings in a nice app like Media Center. Import the titles and program info from the listings when setting timer recordings.

Dazed and confused over high tech.

Sigh...Concrap. The Internet Overlord Cometh
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How about adding internet capability, no not for watching Youtube, but downloading tv listings in a nice app like Media Center. Import the titles and program info from the listings when setting timer recordings.

Great idea! I'll add this one to the top list now.
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Right, then can and do. I just added some additional info, incl. the use of the receiver/transmitter that comes with all the larger household atomic clocks, which you attach on or in your house.
Great. I didn't know about those! I wish I had one for my wrist watch!
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Great. I didn't know about those! I wish I had one for my wrist watch!
I've got one receiver/transmitter under the eave on my front porch that keeps FOUR household atomic clocks in perfect sync. One of them is in the basement of my all-brick house... which I lovingly call my great big pizza oven!

I suspect the same signal keep watches in sync as well? It would be interesting to get a household clock and see if its rec/xmtr works with you watch... not sure how you'd be able to tell, tho? The household clocks have an active icon on the face that tells you it has been synced today.
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The household clocks have an active icon on the face that tells you it has been synced today.
So does my Casio wristwatch. It has a very little satellite dish icon that turns on when it's received a signal that morning. Note I live in a stucco house and as long as the top of my watch points roughly towards Ft. Collins CO it gets a signal, brick may be different.
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And that unit I would buy as long as it had a HD tuner which I'm sure at that point it should.
I'm thinking about a HD homrun prime or whatever it's called that can be networked to a PC so once that happens you can edit, burn, or whatever anything that it can record in HD or SD.
It costs about 250 and is on prerecord right now. If Funai could do a similar unit but with a BD/DVD recorder built in for maybe a bit more they would have the market cornered and probably make a lot of money.
Keeping the options simple on a fully standalone unit would appeal to a lot of non techie types that don't want to have to figure out how to do things on their computer to make it work.
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I don't know, IF this has been said yet or not.
BUT, What I would REALLY want in a NEW HDD-BR-W recorder,
is the ability to put chapter marks WHERE I WANT them to be
EXACTLY! WITHOUT having to be up-to 15 frames later!
AND WITH "MOVING THUMBNAILS, AND MOTION, FOR
ALL TITLES AND CHAPTERS!!!!!!"
With component, S-VIDEO and HDMI INPUTS!!!!!!
AND TO BE ABLE TO RECORD FROM THOSE INPUTS, WITHOUT
ANY COPY GUARD JUNK INTERFERING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CAN'T SIMA OR VIDEO FILTER MAKE A HDMI-HDMI FILTER?
TO GET RID OF THE CGMS? SO I CAN COPY AT 1080P?
CAN'T SIMA OR SOMEONE MAKE A HDD-BR-RW UNIT, JUST BY
USING ONE OF THOSE UNITS FROM OVERSEAS, AND DROPPING IN THE
USA TUNER, FILTER FOR GETTING RID OF CGMS,
AND PROPER INPUTS AND OUTPUTS?
GEEZ, IT'S NOT THAT HARD! THERE'S UNITS IN JAPAN! AND THE UK!
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I added a frame-accurate wish, but we have "Hollywood" here and powerful lobbies that are leading us towards equipment without analog outputs, that's how afraid of us they are!

If you think CGMS protection is bad, wait until they implement the new "Destruct-on-Copy" protection scheme!
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I've got one receiver/transmitter under the eave on my front porch that keeps FOUR household atomic clocks in perfect sync. One of them is in the basement of my all-brick house... which I lovingly call my great big pizza oven!

I suspect the same signal keep watches in sync as well? It would be interesting to get a household clock and see if its rec/xmtr works with you watch... not sure how you'd be able to tell, tho? The household clocks have an active icon on the face that tells you it has been synced today.

Doubtless the clock's receiver/transmitter picks up the same signal that my Casio wristwatch does. The question is, does the receiver/transmitter transmit the same signal, at the same frequency it receives? If it does, it should work for my watch.
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Doubtless the clock's receiver/transmitter picks up the same signal that my Casio wristwatch does. The question is, does the receiver/transmitter transmit the same signal, at the same frequency it receives? If it does, it should work for my watch.

I believe it should work based on jjeff's confirmation that he sees a "sync symbol" on his watch. Maybe he can confirm that it looks something like this:



There can be variations, as long as it doesn't look like a sat dish (NIST doesn't want to give the impression their signal is sat fed).
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Actually my icon is like a Sat dish, but it uses the VLF out of Ft. Collins CO not a satellite. I think the icon is like that because they figure the average person doesn't have a clue where it comes from, but a satellite dish would make sense to them
I also have a battery powered digital wall clock(SkyScan, atomic clock) that has a icon like you've pictured.
I would think your repeater would also work for a wrist watch, AFAIK they all use the same frequency.
http://www.radiocontrolledclock.com/cadidacedb.html
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I have two different Casio G-SHOCK atomic solar watches, and they both have different indicators, for different things. Both indicate signal strength, while a reset is going on, but both indicate it differently. Both indicate that a reset has taken place, but both do it differently. One will try to reset on the hour, from 1am to 5am, but will not try the later resets, when an earlier one is successful. One tries to reset on the hour, from 2am to 5am, and will try to reset regardless. Both will let you push a button, and see when the last reset was successful.

My watch gains about .5 sec. per week, so I don't sweat getting a reset every night. However, I work until 5am, four nights a week, and it won't reset where I work, and will only reset in my house when it isn't moving at all, and is in a good location. So, I may look into getting a repeater. But, what's the delay for a device like that? will my wrist watch always be off .1 sec?
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When I push a button on my watch it says when it was last synched. It almost always shows 4:04 am. If I hold the same button down for a length of time the watch searches for a signal and a few minute later(if it finds the signal) resets the time. I've never seen such a repeater but it sounds cool.
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I wish the recorder had a settings backup and restore that could be saved on a DVD. If your power goes out for an extended period of time or if you replace the HDD you could just pop the recovery DVD in and restore all of your settings. At a minimum it should save all of the setup options, the tuner channel presets and the timer recording schedule.
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I wish the recorder had a settings backup and restore that could be saved on a DVD. If your power goes out for an extended period of time or if you replace the HDD you could just pop the recovery DVD in and restore all of your settings. At a minimum it should save all of the setup options, the tuner channel presets and the timer recording schedule.

Another good idea. I added it as last item, with FW included as well... going for broke!
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If the power went out and I lost the settings I wouldn't necessarily want to re-install the firmware. Maybe they could make the firmware backup and restore a separate function but allow the user to store it on the same backup DVD.
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I understand that some folks will not have internet, but an internet option would over-ride an atomic clock, since getting the guide online would also set the clock to be in sync with the guide. Maybe they could offer a more simple OTA version with atomic clock for those with dial-up/satellite and no cable. Just my 2 cents.
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I don't know if the 513/515 already have this feature - if not it would be nice to have FR (flexible recording as in the panasonics) for the DVD recording where you specify the total recording time (like 2 hrs 15 mins) and it chooses the best bit rate for it.
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I wish the new FUNAI DVR bring a LAN port, so I can connect it to my home network, the internet or my PC.

Also, I prefer an old LAN port before a wireless one to avoid electromagnetic pollution at home.
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If this thing has wireless LAN with Netflix / pandora etc streaming, DLNA, and a BD player, this can take the place of two boxes in your living room.
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If this thing has wireless LAN with Netflix / pandora etc streaming, DLNA, and a BD player, this can take the place of two boxes in your living room.

You really need to seperate a "disc" player, from a "disc" recorder. Recorders last longer when just recording as opposed to playing. Playing should be done seperately, or you will be replacing the burner more often.
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I'd really like to see:
  • editing with the full sized image (like playback) w/ context appropriate menus superimposed over the image
  • ability to run @ 1.3x w/ audio during editing
  • if that's too much to ask, at least change the chapter & preview notifications so they aren't obscuring the very center of the image window
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I personally wish the channel ID banner didn't get recorded to the buffer. Makes no sense that it would, and should be easy enough to have it come into the picture (no pun intended) somewhere beyond the buffer and before the video output. The other two banners that come up with multiple pushes don't record to the buffer, so why should the channel ID banner?

I also wish they'd use better QAM tuners, ones that don't get confused when two cable channels appear to have the same virtual channel number. There's a channel that both my QAM TVs could tune directly, but the Magnavox recorders never could. (You couldn't even set up a timer recording, unless you left the recorder turned on and tuned to that channel...after getting to that channel by stepping up from previous channels, not by directly tuning it.)
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Is a built-in coffee maker too much to ask for...?

I think not...

I'm like a beaver...
A hot little beaver...
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I don't drink coffee. How about popcorn?
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