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I use Phil3575 and recorded to HDD two movies from 1945 and 1947. They record just fine and I can watch them from the HDD.

When I try to dub them to DVD, I get a copy protected notice and it won't dub. TMC movies dub just fine.

I have not tried to record straight to the DVD to see if it is a copy once thing. I will try it on another movie today and see if it does the same.

Just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem?

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I'll give it a try, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Fox is probably the worst studio when it comes to copy protection on BD's and DVD's. It borders on paranoia.
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I have not tried to record straight to the DVD to see if it is a copy once thing.
If it is a copy-once thing you will not be able to record directly to DVD.

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If you are encountering a COPY-ONCE flag in the content, you will have to get a filtering device to place in-line to eliminate the problem.

Unfortunately, I am expecting to see this kind of thing more often. frown.gif

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Update: on CP on FMC

I just recorded to DVD a Fox movie and it did just fine on my panny EA18. Not CP.

I think that proves the problem lies in my Phil3575 setting a CP flag when copying to HDD. Although it does great when I'm recording from TCM.

Now what to do about that?

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A little more update:

I tried to record straight to the DVD and I got a window that said "this program cannot be recorded to disk in +VR mode"

Could I get someone to check if you can record to DVD from FMC?

I know I have done this in the past and I'm wondering how I can record with my EA18 Panny but how they could deny +VR formatted disk.

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When you record with the Panasonic what type of disk are you using -- DVD-RAM, -R or -RW.

If a show is copy once, you will never be able to record to disk with a funai recorder because they are built around the +VR format which does not support CPRM. Panasonic recorders recording to RAM disks are CPRM compliant and will record copy-once to disk.

There was a big discussion a long time ago about the early funai recorders (I believe the philips) incorrectly identifying copy-once signals that were not there. There were side-by-side tests like yours where users could record the program to a Panasonic recorder but not the funai. It was eventually identified as having something to do with the transition between the program and the commercials -- it triggered a false copy-once signal to the funai. Some tried to claim that there was nothing wrong with the funai but that the commercials were copy-protected -- that never made sense in light of the fact that other recorders, specifically Panasonic, could record the program (commercials and all) without issue. Regardless of the cause, it was found that by editing out the commercials (cutting on the program side before the transition) remedied the problem and the edited program could now be burned to disk.

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I use -RW and +RW on both Phil3575 and Panny.

I edited the gibberish before the movie and after the movie after it was recorded to the HDD (Phil3575) and it made no difference when I tried to dub to the DVD. I have also recorded in just the middle of the movie on FMC and got the same results.

Funny thing, everything was working fine on any recorder until just recently (mid August). I don't record a lot of stuff on FMC so I couldn't say exactly when it started.

My work around for this is to use the 3575 for TCM on one receiver and the Panny for FMC on a different receiver.

I wonder if one of wago's famous skip codes might take care of the problem?

Thank you for your incite on this problem.

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I use -RW and +RW on both Phil3575 and Panny.
The Panasonic only records in CPRM compatible -VR mode on DVD-RAM disks. It makes DVD-Video compliant disks on DVD-R/W media which means if the source is copy-protected the Panasonic will not record it on DVD-R/W. So if the Panasonic is recording the source onto DVD-R/W, then the source is not copy-protected and the problem lies with your Philips 3575.

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