Originally Posted by Scott_111
I have a question or two about this thread. First of all, I recently placed an order for Taiyo Yuden 8x 4.7 GB DVD-R in a 100 DVD cake box. I purchased it from an Amazon Marketplace Seller in California. What I received were 100 DVD-R’s (tape wrapped, not in a cake box) with NO markings or labels anywhere on the packaging except for an insert in the top of the top of the spindle which says “JVC – For Professional Use, DVD R8X, MID TY02”. I also received two generic 50 DVD empty cake boxes.
The packing slip for the order states: “Taiyo Yuden/JVC 8x 4.7GB DVD-R Silver Thermal in Cake Box (100 pack)”. There was a handwritten notation next to that which said “100 pc’s”, obviously referring to the fact that the DVD’s were tape wrapped in cellophane and not in a 100 DVD cake box as the original Amazon listing and order had stated.
Until I found this thread, my original reaction to receiving them was that they were fakes. I found the serial number on the hub however which is “GH000234”, indicating that indeed they are apparently 16x TY003 DVD’s. My package appears identical to the one which Diga Do posted pictures of in Post #8, except that as I mentioned earlier, mine has NO labels anywhere on the package except for the two small inserts on the top and bottom.
I use my DVD’s for burning programs from my Mag H2160MW9 and MDR513H’s and also for burning material on my computer CD-ROM drives (which are all 8X). From what I am gathering from this thread, the ones I received are “value” level quality and not the “premium” quality which I ordered.
When returning this package, I am assuming that I may get pushback from the Amazon seller who will probably insist that the DVD’s are indeed what I ordered. How can I document that they are really 16x “value” quality and not the 8x “premium” quality which I ordered? I suppose I could always contact Taiyo Yuden at their website but that may take a while for them to respond. My other question is that if I re-order these from Supermedia Store or Rima, what’s to keep me from getting the same TY03’s next time?
Taiyo Yuden DVD-R media with lot numbers beginning "GG" are 8x with a TYG02 MIT.
Taiyo Yuden DVD-R media with lot numbers beginning "GH" are 16X with a TYG03 MIT.
All Taiyo Yuden media production is intended to meet or exceed quality standards for "Premium Line" media. TY media designated "Value Line" starts out as premium line media. TY makes frequent quality checks of media from each production lot. When those checks identify discs that do not meet the quality standards for "Premium Line" media the production lot is set aside as "seconds." Since all the "seconds" already carry the same MIT as "firsts" the end user cannot use the media MIT to differentiate between 8x TYG02 "firsts" (Premium Line) from 8x TYG02 "seconds" (Value Line). The same is true for 16x TYG03 "firsts" (undesignated) and 16x TYG03 "seconds" (Value Line).
It seems to me that TY's practise has been that "seconds" from TYG02 (8x) and TYG03 (16x) lots have been mingled together and labled as "Value Line" commonly identified as 8x (TYG02) and sold with that designation even though most (or all) the DVDs in that packaging might actually be 16X (TYG03) media.
It might be easier to understand the logic behind this by beginning with the notion that 16x media is "higher performance" than 8x media. With that mindset a manufacturer might feel "safer," in a legal sense, when marketing a "Value Line" product of "lower (8x) performance" than as a product of "higher (16x) performance." The SuperMediaStore product description of 8x DVD-R TYG02 "Value Line" media used to include
a disclaimer that "Value Line" packaging might include 8x or 16x media.
Beginning in 2008 Taiyo Yuden 8x Premium Line DVD-R media has been my media of choice for archival recording and mastering or remastering video. TY "Premium Line" media is used in all my Panasonic, Magnavox and Philips stand-alone recorders. Of more than 13,000 home-recorded DVDs currently in my personal archive, around 8,000 are TY 8x Premiium Line DVD-Rs. I don't recall ever having a failed recording where the failure can be attributed directly to a Premium Line DVD.
While TY designates their "seconds" as "Value Line" media, I find this media satisfactory for duplication and computer use when quality and longevity are the most important considerations. TY "Value Line" media has been of consistently better quality and performance than "name brand" media commonly found in retail stores. Admittedly, I've found (perhaps) 20 "Value Line" DVDs that had visible and performance irregularities-with another 50 or so with visible irregularities that did not affect perfomance. (All these irregular Value Line DVDs were from 16x TYG03 lots.) Since I've used around 3,000 "Value Line" DVDs, I think that works out to a "Value Line" failure rate of .0067% (is that correct?). (I've also used other decent media for duplication work, including Verbatim "AZO," Maxell, and Sony; and when DVD longevity is of little importance I've even stooped so low as to use media from "CMC" e.g. Verbatim "Life Series," TDK, Magnavox, etc., but let's keep that a secret, EH?)
As my on-hand stock of TY Premium Line media has dropped below 2,500, I expect to submit a new order to SuperMediaStore in the near future. I prefer the tape-wrapped 8x Premium Line DVD-R TYG02, TY item JDMR-ZZ-SK8 and SMS item DV 001 3911. I no longer order TY media in cake boxes as they are flimsy and hard to open when one wants to open them and often fall open when one wants them to stay closed.
I order DVDs and media accessories through supermediastore.com as their regular prices are reasonable enough, especially with free shipping for orders of $50 or more. There are also sales and special promotions from time to time. Here in the Pacific Northwest the standard free shipping usually provides home delivery two days after the order is submitted.
I'm attaching photos showing the original TY cake box packaging and the current JVC/TY cake box packaging.