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So I have a blu-ray player, but not a blu-ray burner. Some blu-ray players will apparently play ordinary dvd disks with AVCHD files or hidef .mp4 files and show them on a TV in hidef.

So with Nero Vision it looks like I can create "AVCHD disks" (from files I uploaded from my hidef camcorder). So so should I be able to play this on a regular dvd disk in the right blu-ray player and see hi-def on my tv. I know people know are using blu-ray players with USB ports with thumb drives with .mp4 or AVCHD files to play hi def on their TVs.

My question is whether I need a blu-ray BURNER to play hi-def easily on a blu-ray player or whether I get by a regular dvd burner (which I already have). So will Nero work if I set it up right and have the right kind of blu-ray player?

This question has probably been asked before but I haven't found it yet. Some people say I need Sony Vegas and the right type of blu-ray player.
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You won't find a Blue Ray burner/recorder/player in the US market. But sure you can import one.

The last Nero and your PC/MAC BR combo buner unit will make the trick for you and your BR player.
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Some people tell me I can burn an .mp4 (hidef) and avchd (.mts) to an ordinary dvd and play it on newer blu-ray players (but you have to make sure that they run these files--many now do). I have old blu--ray player. I just ordered a new one that plays these additional files. At least that's what I hope. I may be an internal or external blu-ray player (USB) for my computer. Not much good installing stuff on computers any more. Externals are slower but easier to install.
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So I have a blu-ray player, but not a blu-ray burner. Some blu-ray players will apparently play ordinary dvd disks with AVCHD files or hidef .mp4 files and show them on a TV in hidef.

So with Nero Vision it looks like I can create "AVCHD disks" (from files I uploaded from my hidef camcorder). So so should I be able to play this on a regular dvd disk in the right blu-ray player and see hi-def on my tv.
Yes. This is exactly what AVCHD was created for -- to burn HiDef camcorder footage onto DVD and play in a BD player. Nearly all BD players from the last couple years support playback of AVCHD on DVD. You only need a DVD burner to burn an AVCHD disk but you need a BluRay player to play it back because a DVD player won't play HiDef.

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What Kelson said.

Regarding Nero, yes Nero can do this. My old vesion of Nero will burn AVCHD up to 1920 by 1080 resolution.
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Do you just include the MSI files in Nero Video?

Could you use Nero ROM and burn the msi files on a dvd data file?

Yes, you have a blu-ray player that will play such files.

What in terms of directories and files is found on AVCHD disk?
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Here, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD

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It looks like .msi files are the real content in an avchd folder.

Using nero, picking an avchd disk, it wants to import the msi files.

I guess I will find out when I the new blu-ray player that says it runs avchd arrives (in a few days).

I still have the question whether I can get Nero-Rom to burn to a dvd data disk and whether that will run on a blu-ray disk.
I guess I will experiment when I get the blu-ray player.
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You are not burning a data disk. The link I directed you to shows the AVCHD disk structure. Whatever software you use, you are authoring a video disk, not burning a data disk.

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there a couple of Blu-ray recorders available in the US, JVC for one, I think, that WILL record HD from camcorders, but won't record from HDMI, or component, so they don't work with cable boxes?
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Well, technically in the US there is still our little friend the JVC SR-HD2500US:



And of course in Japan there was (is?) his old cousin the JVC DR-BH250 ready to deal with VHS, DVD, BluRay and HDD recordings:



If you want to record HD content from your Cable or SatBox DVR using its HDMI ouputs you can try to get the MagicPixel MTV-7000D (not the mini) from Pirate Bay (AKA Hong Kong):



Finally in Europe there is this Funai Blue Ray Recoder, the BH2-M200:

BH2-M200
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The US one seems to be a little pricey--$3500 to $4k.
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Unfortunately that deck does not have universal HD inputs and is good for camcorder media recordings only.

If you want to archive from Cable/Sat/OTA -- You need the JVC SR-HD2500 Blu-Ray Disc & HDD Recorder with HD-SDI input and then you need a BlackMagic converter that will convert HD-component out from external cable/sat/OTA box to HD-SDI in or if HDCP is not an issue you need a BlackMagic converter that will convert HD-HDMI to HD-SDI.

JVC SR-HD2500 Blu-Ray Disc & HDD Recorder with HD-SDI
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Blackmagic HD Analog Component to HD-SDI
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Blackmagic HDMI to HD-SDI
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It would probably be a lot cheaper to just buy a modern camcorder that records H.264 encoded video to SD memory cards. Then you put those in your PC and author a BluRay disk. PC BluRay burners are under $80.

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So is this like watching the X-Files? Are content producers and electronics mfrs and cable cos. decided they won't let consumers burn hidef dvds reasonably cheaply? Is this a conspiracy (apparent about piracy)?

Blu-ray burners are pretty cheap for computers.
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So is this like watching the X-Files? Are content producers and electronics mfrs and cable cos. decided they won't let consumers burn hidef dvds reasonably cheaply? Is this a conspiracy (apparent about piracy)?

Blu-ray burners are pretty cheap for computers.
No, if you have the proper authoring software it is actually quite easy to burn HD video onto disk. But now what do content producers and cable co's have to do with you burning your camcorder footage onto disk?

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I suspect that they don't want blu-ray burning of TV and movies shown on TV. Piracy.

Cable wants to just use their dvrs.

So no standalone blu-ray recorders unless you pay $2000. Computer blu-ray recorders you can buy for $100 or less.

We don't have standalone hi-def dvrs and dvd recorders together. They do outside the US.

I think something is going on or maybe it's consumers who never want to keep anything.
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I think something is going on or maybe it's consumers who never want to keep anything.

It's the second one. The American consumer mentality has never been an archiving one, except for us nuts here at AVS. Most people even during the VHS days just recorded to watch later, and then recorded over the recording with something new. Even diehard sports fans tended to only keep a few copies of some key games, like Superbowls or national championships (and even then only if a team of interest participated); hardly any recorded the majority of games they watched. These people moved on to hard-drive based DVRs (record, watch, delete) and never looked back, so DVD recorders fell by the wayside. And then younger folks have lived in a world where everything is stored on hard drives, from music to movies, so optical discs seem quaint to them (and frustrating; "We got to put the disc IN the player before we can watch it? Guh?")

In other countries, especially Japan, they do have an archiving mentality, thus the presence of Blu-ray recorders.

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I think something is going on or maybe it's consumers who never want to keep anything.

We just need a reliable HD recorder with easy PC file transfer. For many the answer is the TiVo, for those who wants/have/need to record HD content from cable DVRs or Sat Boxes even a HTPC is not a good alternative.
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HTPC is an excellent alternative and doesn't require a cable box at all.
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