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Greetings all,

 

I need to tackle a conversion of 150+ vhs movies to DVD. Some are home movies but most are collectible old professional pool matches that do not circulate much. In many cases, these are the last remaining copies and lowest generation copies my fellow collectors may have access.   Therefore maintaing the best quality is paramount. Let's assume the original recording device is unknown. 

 

I currently do not own a VCR so I will need to purchase one. I have an Imac. I am willing to purchase a good to great VCR and stand alone DVD recorder (or should I go directly to the mac?). Should I incorporate the MAC? Storing these transfers on to a hard drive makes sense to me. Is there any software I can use that can improve the quality?  I know that many of these questions are broad and you may be lacking information from me so I look forward to any suggestions and participating the conversation. 

 

Thank you in advance for your help. 

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This has been answered in some depth several times in earlier threads. The simplest and easiest solution would be to buy or borrow a decent VCR to play the tapes and buy the Panasonic EH59 dvd recorder (dvdr), $350 new or $260 used from bhphotovideo (or other supplier). This is a grey market recorder but is quite popular with a number of AVS members and carries a 90-day warranty from the seller.

Then load a bunch (50 to 80 hours) of tape onto the dvdr built-in hard disc drive (hdd).

Now, using what some (including me) claim is the best-on-the-planet dvdr editting facility, use the Panasonic PLAYLIST feature, build the titles as you wish, using any of the scenes from any of the titles on the hdd.

While you CAN create the scenes, called chapters, on the hdd, I prefer to create the chapter(s) on the PLAYLIST and delete the chapters I don't want.

Building sequences on the PLAYLIST does not alter the source hdd but merely sets pointers to the source, meaning PLAYLISTS take up very little space, but do not delete the source tile to which the PLAYLIST(S) point until you are finished with it.

You can reference the same source title as many times as you have room for.

Use the PLAYLIST. Rather overwhelming for the first one or two, but you'll quickly gain proficiency.

To create the dvd, you make up a COPYLIST, with the name of each title on the hdd and/or PLAYLIST (yes, you can mix) becoming a title on the dvd.

Taiyo Yuden Premium 8X DVD-R seems to be the dvd of choice on this forum. Available from Supermedia Stores or other online sources.
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I am willing to purchase a good to great VCR and stand alone DVD recorder (or should I go directly to the mac?). Should I incorporate the MAC? Storing these transfers on to a hard drive makes sense to me.
What is the end product you desire? If you want to author these recordings to DVD-Video and burn to disk you can duplicate and share amongst collectors then purchasing a DVD recorder, as noted above, is a good choice that I would second.

Alternatively, if you would like to simply capture these recordings in digital form and store the video files on a HDD for playback on a PC or a streaming media player (including most networked BluRay players) or uploading to an Internet site, then I would suggest a good quality PC capture device such as the Hauppauge HD PVR.

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RIchard and Kelson,

Thank you for the response. My desired end result is have a DVD copy and the more I think about it I should also have it stored on a hard rive.

 

RIchard, regarding the Panasonic EH59, can I transfer from the hard drive on the unit to another stand alone hard drive? Can I rip to the hard drive from a dvd if I wish to put other DVDs on to a drive?

 

Assuming I purchase this unit, is there a VCR recomenation?

Thank you again for all your help.

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regarding the Panasonic EH59, can I transfer from the hard drive on the unit to another stand alone hard drive? Can I rip to the hard drive from a dvd if I wish to put other DVDs on to a drive?
All DVD recorders are self-contained. The video data stored on their HDD is in a proprietary format. You cannot plug another portable HDD into the DVD recorder and transfer recordings. The disk cannot be removed from the DVD recorder and simply mounted on a PC to transfer files. The only way to get the recordings off the HDD will be to burn them to a DVD-R/RW then insert that disk in a PC optical drive. The disks will be in DVD-Video format. You can rip the disks as ISO for PC players or media streamers or use appropriate software to extract the titles into standard video files. Since you want to make DVD disks anyway, this should not pose a problem.

As far as ripping disks to the DVD recorder, some recorders have the capability to read a non-copy protected DVD and copy an image to the recorders HDD but only for the purpose of duplicating the disk. You cannot play the ripped image or edit or do anything other than burn it to a new disk -- much easier done with a PC. I'm not sure if the Panasonic models have this feature.

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As far as ripping disks to the DVD recorder, some recorders have the capability to read a non-copy protected DVD and copy an image to the recorders HDD but only for the purpose of duplicating the disk. You cannot play the ripped image or edit or do anything other than burn it to a new disk -- much easier done with a PC. I'm not sure if the Panasonic models have this feature.
No they don't, the only recorder I'm aware of that had that feature was older?? Pioneers that are long gone.
It really sounds like the OP would be best served by a PC solution, it has much more options. DVDRs are great for what they do but they really only do what they do, not much else.
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You can copy a finalized DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, and the DL's to the HDD. This will be done in real-time. This assumes the dvd is not "copy-protected"; many of the commercial dvd's are copy-protected.

As far as hdd interchangability, Kelson has pretty emphatically answered that question with his resounding NO!

I'm not sure I understand Kelson's statement about copying "only for the purpose of duplicating the disk." I've not run into that restriction on the EH55, E85H, or E100H, and I see nothing in the EH59 manual. You're free to copy non-protected dvd's. It becomes just another title on the hdd.
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I'm not sure I understand Kelson's statement about copying "only for the purpose of duplicating the disk." I've not run into that restriction on the EH55, E85H, or E100H, and I see nothing in the EH59 manual. You're free to copy non-protected dvd's. It becomes just another title on the hdd.
I was thinking in terms of a high speed copy to make an image for duplication.

But truthfully, I have an E85 that I used for 5 yr and I was never aware of being able to real-time copy a DVD-Video title to the HDD from a finalized DVD-R -- of course I'm not talking about RAM which does have the high-speed copy capability in -VR mode.

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I think I have to eat some of my words. Upon reflection, the reason I got my E85H was the ability to copy DVD to HDD. The E100H could be forced by connecting output to input, starting the Record then hitting Play. DVD to HDD was not a built-in function on the E100H.

I hadn't mentioned the dvd-ram because I didn't think Jordan would be involved with it, but the -ram's ability to be high-speed copied add to the usefulness of the Panasonic.

Often I copy the recorded weekly church service to dvd-ram (high-speed) and bring the -ram home and high-speed copy to my EH55 for editting at home.

Kelson, is there a difference between the E85 and E85H, or is the one model referred to by both designations?
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I have a DMR-E85H.

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...Kelson, is there a difference between the E85 and E85H, or is the one model referred to by both designations?

To directly answer this, no, I don't think that there is a difference. The Panasonic DVD recorders actually have rather long and tedious model numbers that designate a base model, and then the national or specific variant. Most of the variants consist of what accessories are included, like the power cord for a certain country, but there are a few others that are important, like what kind of tuner it has. The EH55 (base model) came in at least two different configurations, the US version had a 200GB drive while the "international" version had a 160GB drive, a PAL tuner and SCART connectors. That's the only one I am aware of with such significant differences though.

As far as the E85 goes, I think most people who refer to it just use the base model and leave out the suffix. I BELIEVE, the actual model number is E85HS. The H would designate an internal hard drive, which all E85 models had, and the "S" would designate silver case color, which as far as I know, is the only color it was ever available in.

I use abbreviated model numbers like EH59 all the time, but the designations on my machines are DMR-EH59GAK, or DMR-EH59GCK. I seem to remember that the manuals included might have been in different languages, like French or Arabic. They had different power cords and possibly different tuners, but since neither were usable in North America, it didn't matter to me. As a base model, they are interchangeable--they work the same for me. All I am sure of is that the "K" means the case color is black, which is the only color it ever came in, but they indicate it anyway. I'm sure the other two letters mean something, but I don't know what exactly, and it isn't really important in day-to-day discussions.

My first DVD recorder was an E85 (something smile.gif).

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Prior to '05 Panasonic HDD models ended with a H(for HDD) example E85H, after '04 Panasonic moved the H before the number(example EH-55. Like Luke I never bother with the rest of the numbers or letters but as he said the S after the model number stands for Silver(color) K for black and if it's a combo it will have a V at the end(for VCR or maybe VHS), I do always include(or try to) the V at the end if it's a combo.
I haven't posted it in a while because with our new forum software mad.gif one cannot turn it on or off for individual posts but here's a link to a thread I started with the various N. American(and international models easily available in N. America) Panasonic DVDR models.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1134909/panasonic-dvd-recorder-us-models-years-produced-and-features
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Prior to '05 Panasonic HDD models ended with a H(for HDD) example E85H, after '04 Panasonic moved the H before the number(example EH-55. Like Luke I never bother with the rest of the numbers or letters but as he said the S after the model number stands for Silver(color) K for black and if it's a combo it will have a V at the end(for VCR or maybe VHS), I do always include(or try to) the V at the end if it's a combo.
I haven't posted it in a while because with our new forum software mad.gif one cannot turn it on or off for individual posts but here's a link to a thread I started with the various N. American(and international models easily available in N. America) Panasonic DVDR models.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1134909/panasonic-dvd-recorder-us-models-years-produced-and-features

I wish you would return a link to that thread to your signature field.

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I wish you would return a link to that thread to your signature field.
When posting, the old forum software had a little check box towards the bottom of the screen that when checked would disable a signature link for only that post. I used it whenever posting in other forums on AVS(programming threads, HDTV recorders threads, etc.). I did that to avoid any confusion and besides DVD recorders had nothing to do with those posts so I figured I shouldn't include the link on those posts. With the new(actually not so new anymore) forum software the check box is gone, in it's place is a global setting in ones profile that adds a signature or not in ALL threads, no matter what forum they are in. For me this was unworkable and not what I wanted. This is just one of the several deficiencies I attribute to the new software but I understand it's here to stay and from what I've seen they have don't have any interest on adding those features back.
If I see a post where it really belongs I'll include it but this is why I no longer have it in every one of my posts, even DVDR posts smile.gif
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Thanks again for everyones response. Yes, It sounds like VHS to a computer  (Hard drive) then to DVD is my best route. 

With that in mind, is there any clear choice for a VCR? I remember in my music collecting days that going from analog to digital is best achieved with a better analog to digital converter. Is something I need to be cognizant of and if so, where in the process?

 

Is there a recommended software program that can somehow enhance the video quality before burning to DVD? FYI, I have a MAC. 

 

Thanks again for all your help folks!

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