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post #151 of 175 Old 06-24-2003, 07:14 AM - Thread Starter
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Originally posted by alan halvorson
A comment on this "vertical shift": I own an A41 manufactured in March, 2003 in Hungary. I recorded an older film on laser disc that had a row of text right at the very top of the screen - if there were any vertical shift at all, down or up, it would be easily seen at this point. I played the DVD-R on a different machine and synced it and the laser disc to that row of text. There was no shift in any direction - DVD-R and the laser disc playback were absolutely identical. Had there been a shift, however minor, I would sell the machine and look for another one, but I'm keeping it.

One question: Short of recording to the very end (which works), is there any way to get rid of that extra menu box (representing the unused disc) created after you're done recording and know you're not going to record any more? Maybe it's in the manual but so far I've missed it, if it's there at all.

Read up on finalizng the discs and try that.

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"I recorded an older film on laser disc that had a row of text right at the very top of the screen - if there were any vertical shift at all, down or up, it would be easily seen at this point. I played the DVD-R on a different machine and synced it and the laser disc to that row of text."

Your test would be valid only if you disconnected the laserdisc player from the 985 after you did the recording and then you compared the recorded DVD to the laserdisc image with the laserdisc player connected directly to the TV. The vertical shift is only 1/6 of an inch so it's easy to miss.

I've checked a third A41 and it has the same vertical shift as the other 2. I will also try to check one of the new Philips DVD recorders to see if it has the same problem.

Based on what I read on several forums this problem is common to all Philips DVD recorders.

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Razvanel: The dvd and laser disc machines I use for playback in my main system, as well as the display, are totally independent of the system I use to record - I just don't have room to put them all together at the moment. I believe a sixth of an inch would have been noticeable - I did not notice it. I will try to make another comparison when I can.
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Well, I got a Philips DVDR75 and it also has the vertical shift problem, ( 1/6 of an inch). So far I've tested 4 Philips DVD recorders and they all have the shift problem.

The 75 doesn't have as many inputs as the 985, doesn't bypass s-video + the 75 gets VERY hot ( no fan). At $350 the 985 is a super bargain.

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snagged an A41 for 344.99 (manufacture 1/2003)from CC and upgraded firmware from philps site,takes~15min
system menu info from remote area
prior to upgrade: DI 110354 AN 310354 SV 104
BE 20.1.18 DV 91030105 FP 35
BASE SYS 20021125_FF12F_1630bp
after upgrade: DI 110384 AN 310384 SV 104
BE 20.1.21 DV 91030105 FP 35
BASE SYS 20030512_FF12R_930bp
unit works well for transfer of recordings from UTVs and Replays to DVDs
so i didn't need latest models,just one basic model to make dvds
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Originally posted by rxman
snagged an A41 for 344.99 (manufacture 1/2003)from CC and upgraded firmware from philps site,takes~15min
system menu info from remote area
prior to upgrade: DI 110354 AN 310354 SV 104
BE 20.1.18 DV 91030105 FP 35
BASE SYS 20021125_FF12F_1630bp
after upgrade: DI 110384 AN 310384 SV 104
BE 20.1.21 DV 91030105 FP 35
BASE SYS 20030512_FF12R_930bp
unit works well for transfer of recordings from UTVs and Replays to DVDs
so i didn't need latest models,just one basic model to make dvds


The A41 was the latest and if not last, close to last model of the 985 series, so you should have the most recent model.

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Raz my Man- Do you consider this V shift a big thing? I think they all have it, but 1/6 inch seems inconsequential, correct me if wrong.

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Well, it's annoying ( not as annoying as Sex an the City though!). I wonder if Philips is aware of it, probably not as they keep on releasing DVDR's that have this problem...

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1/6 of an inch probably matters to that Samantha girl in Sex in The City.

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"1/6 of an inch probably matters to that Samantha girl in Sex in The City"

Oh yeah!

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For anyone who cares I opened my Jan 2003 A41 with a 1 drive and March 2003 A03 with a 7 drive.

The A41 DVD Drive is newer;
PN 930502582003
VAE8020/03 E143838

The A03 Has an older drive
PN 930502581502
VAE8015/02 E143838


I have the Service manual on CD and the 930502581502 is listed as the Part Number in the manual. Since the manuals are made when the players first come out this would mean that the A03 or 7 drive is the original even though it was made in March 2003.

Now for the weight of the units, it has to be the outter shell weight. Just the lid by itself is heavy and these are the 12 lb units.

One other point, inside these have a second fan that pulls air through the bottom and blows down on the drive/drive electronics. There is a filter that you can see if you look at the holes in the bottom. If you have a lot of hours on the unit you should look at it through the bottom. To replace or clean it you need to open the unit and then remove the plastic housing that directs the air duct to the fan and then you can remove the filter.

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Kurtis -that is very interesting stuff esp since I have the A41. Good work.

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Best Buy has the 50 pack of FujiFilm 2x dvd+r's usually 99$ for 79$ with an instant rebate. That's like 1.59$ disc, and they are the highest quality disc I have seen to date at any price. Burned over 100 without a single coaster.

I got pm'ed about where to buy the media and what kind. These are +R not +RW.

They have TDK's 4x for not much more but I know nothing about them, and for the video recorders (vs a 4x pc burner) makes no difference on the speed.

Sale started last Sunday, and is probably only good until this weekend Sunday or next.

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The Philips brand is just as good as the Fugi
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...72#post2352372
I have no burn problems with either.
So if your local BB is out, You still have a choice at the same price per disc.
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This week I bought Philips +R media for less than $1.50 ea. at Office Depot. They had an advertised special going on (buy a 25 disk spindle and get a 5 pack in cases free). I don't know if it is still on now.
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I have my DVD player connected to the Ext 3 inputs of the 985 and the component outputs of the 985 connected to the component inputs of my TV. The 985 only outputs a component signal when switched to monitor mode or when playing a DVD on the 985. When the 985 is in standby mode it doesn't pass through the component signal.

However, the 985 does pass s-video signals through its s-video output when in standby.

Is this how your 985's function?

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Raz- good question -I will try that over the next few days. BTW !! I found 6 boxed 985 A41's and/ or A03's today for $345 and bought another A41! I am taking my other A41 that I paid $434 for on 6-17-03 back for refund AFTER I test this cheaper one. So far both have tested out great and I cannot see V shift. The new one today had the exact base sys info as the other A41. The new one today was made one month earlier however-Feb 2003.

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Great deal, I paid the same for my February 2003 made A41. Please check the component pass through on both 985's.

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Things in Phoenix are not quite as rosy.

The DVDR985 is still going for $599 at circuit city.

On the brighter side, Fry's electronics in Phoenix is now selling the unit (both A03's and A14's) for $399.
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CC will beat Fry's by 10% of the difference - that's $20 so you can get it for $380 from CC.

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Just an FYI since it looks a number of you are getting prices twice as much as some others.

Shipping is about 12$

Link to 985 for 399$

*** I do not know what versions of the 985 mfg they have, the A41 version was the version I had heard all the good things about.

I would not purchase ANY unit with some kind of extended warranty.

Hope this helps you guys in the cities that don't have any decent pricing or they are out of stock.

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Seems like this thread has petered out. I wanted to say there is a lot of good information in this thread, Thanks.

I purchased a DVDR985 from BestBuy a couple days back. I am pretty sure it was the display model but it looks to be in good shape and functions as expected so far. I have lots of questions however....

The unit I bought has the folloiwng in the "system info" page
DI 110384 AN 310384 SV 103
BE 15.7.21 DV 81810111 FP 35
BASE_SYS_20030512_FF12r 20030513_0930bp
BASE_SYS_20030512_FF12r 20030513_0930bp

It also appears to have been mfg'd in April 2002?

The unit was on sale for $239.99 but I asked if they could sell it for $199.99 and they did. After reading this thread I am thinking maybe it was not the great buy I had hoped it was?

The unit came with power cord and nothing else;
no manual - no problem (got the PDF from phillips web-site)
no remote - no problem (programmed my jp1 remote to handle)
firmware - seems to be the latest?

My questions;
1) I have 30 days to return for a refund; opinions?
2) If I decide to keep the extended warranty from BB is $199.99; opinions?

Here is what I have done so far
1- recorded TV broadcast at LP (looks ok)
2- recorded SAT broadcast via composite at SP+ (looks good)
3- attempted to play recorded Fuji DVD+RW on my Pioneer A103 (DVD-R/-RW recorder) in one of my computer systems
4- played recorded Fuji DVD+RW in computer with DVD-ROM, no problem
5- attempted to play recorded Fuji DVD+RW in my XBOX, could not play
6- attempted to play recorded Fuji DVD+RW in my van's DVD player; could not play
7- attempted to record from firewire input via computer output (running DVIO) but no go. Computer sees the DVDR985 as a videocamer but nothing gets displayed on the recorder.... still playing with this

My main goal was to be able to easily archive my home videos to DVD (via firewire and my video camera) and to record some TV shows for the kids to watch in the van. I thought this unit make this easier for me than PC editing but now I am concerned if a just bought a time bomb.....

Any advice would be greatly appreciated....

Concerning the firewire input. Does anyone know how to burn from a PC to the DVDR985 from a computer connected here. The manual eludes to the fact that computers can be connected and some software may support this but so far I have seen no information to support this.....

Thanks in advance....
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Chris - I took a big gamble 5 weeks ago purchasing the 985 A41 manufactured in Hungary, March 2003 (after Philips had a year to rework it) by paying $344 at CC with "supposedly" different optic components after 50% of the 2002 models failed.- You just boarded the Titantic. I would run it back to the store. You have the old one with all the old optics that has been firmware updated to ff12r by your seller by sticking in a disc to this old system.- That unit will fail guaranteed- the failure begins anywhere from 2-12 months. Read this board where 75% of the 985 owners bought 2002 models. Majority had problems. Hell mine my fail also ,but yours has a sterling reputation for it. Believe me -I have researched the heck out of the 985 history. Those manufactured on the back panel in Belgium in 2002 are time bombs.
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Chris: I saw that very item in the Rochester store (I'm from Red Wing, MN)! I passed on it becasue a.) I need a remote and b.) I already had one (bought from Circuit City in Woodbury for $344, plus $50 for the extended 3 year warrantee). But you got even a better deal and you solved the remote problem.

Would I keep it? NO! First, let me say that the DVDR985 is easy to use and produces an excellent picture. I use it mainly to copy laser discs and I plain can't tell the result from the original at either the HQ or SP speeds, which is good enough for me. Finalization takes only a minute. Thumbnails are easy to add. You can add your own chapter marks but if you want them to be readable on other machines with DVD+R discs, they must be inserted on the fly unless you're happy with the machince automatically marking one every 5 minutes (mostly this is ok with me).

My machine, an A41 manufactured in Hungary in March, 2003 (just like HoustonGuy's), performed flawlessly for about 70 discs. But now it's not. It has no problem recording the source, but when I add a thumbnail, a title or whatever, to the menu, I get data errors which the machine doesn't recover from and the disc is lost, not to mention all that recording time. This has happened to about a dozen discs in a row now. Maybe I have a bad batch of discs - all of them have been Fuji's and Verbatim's and not some off brand - but I'm not going to waste any more time and discs. I will get the machine repaired and then sell it. I have already bought a Panasonic E80, the one with the hard drive.

Given this, and based on the information HoustonGuy provided, I say return it, as good a deal as it was, and swear at Phillips for not testing their machine thouroughly enough before releasing it.
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Thanks Houstonguy and Alan, I will return my time bomb soon, I think I have 30 days with BestBuy.

I might play with it a bit before returning it just for kicks. I am still quite interested in learning if the firewire input can be used from the computer? I can not find much information on this yet. If anyone knows more please let me know, but this would be pretty cool to output your edited DV files directly firewire and burn to DVD (externel encoder/burner)...

Thanks again...
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