I purchased a 985 when they became available here in So Cal. (I also own a Pioneer DVR7000 which uses -r/-rw format). For the first three months, the 985 performed without an error. After three months, it began generating the "disk error" problem (this was after the first firmware upgrade). The problem had been going on now for almost seven months. Unplugging the machine for a day or two usually lets me record a couple of discs (I only use +rw). After the "ff12r" upgrade, the machine doesn't give disc errors any more, but nowit doesn't finalize the menus properly. When I play the disc on another DVD player the menus, et. al. are perfect. When I play the same disc on the 985, I get the "flashing" menu effect, and can't play the disc. By way of comparison, I have had absolutely no problems with the Pioneer DVD Recorder. I have made over 200 discs on the Pioneer and about 85 on the Philips. The new firmware upgrade "ff12t" was just installed today. I'll let you know how it works out. I haven't had the time to take the Philips to the Philips repair center here in So Cal. From my experience, I recommend purchasing the extended warranty plan from Philips for the 985.