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OneCall has this in stock now. Nice, but pricey! The only thing this has I wish my E80 did is a Firewire input. Not worth double the E80 price for the added features IMHO.

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Okay, upon closer inspection, a couple of interesting features: 4x DVD-R & MPEG4 recording. Looks like the latter is for transferring to SD card for PC use.

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I'm waiting to see a shoot out w/ this and the new pioneer coming out. The cheapest I've seen this for is $829 on Froggle.com that's $250 cheaper! I think another difference other than 4x and firewire is that this offers thumbnail menus too. I don't know what Pioneer's problem is. Panasonic is whipping new models out left and right; where's the Pioneer?


$895 ($907) delivered here:
http://store.yahoo.com/efunctional/dmr-e100hs.html

or here for $827 + shipping, but I'm not sure if they stock it or not
http://www.800stereo.com/Merchant2/m...nic-dmr-e100hs
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I'm waiting to see a shoot out w/ this and the new pioneer coming out. The cheapest I've seen this for is $829 on Froggle.com that's $250 cheaper! I think another difference other than 4x and firewire is that this offers thumbnail menus too. I don't know what Pioneer's problem is. Panasonic is whipping new models out left and right; where's the Pioneer?


$895 ($907) delivered here:
http://store.yahoo.com/efunctional/dmr-e100hs.html

or here for $827 + shipping, but I'm not sure if they stock it or not
http://www.800stereo.com/Merchant2/m...nic-dmr-e100hs
Thanks for the leads! What is the full URL for "Froggle.com"? The straightforward entry leads to some other kind of company for me. And for the sake of the other two merchants, I hope they catch on that the HDD is 120GB.
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What is Videoplus+?

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I think that's VCR+, the numerical "codes" that allow you to more easily program a timer-based recording.
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"Thanks for the leads! What is the full URL for "Froggle.com"? The straightforward entry leads to some other kind of company for me."

Froogle.com is a division of google.com (you know the search engine) Froogle is a search engine for low prices. So you go to www.froogle.com and type in the item you're looking for and it will come up w/ places that sell the lowest. Pricegrabber.com is another good low price search engine. Good luck
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YES, YES, YES..

Just what I've been waiting for! The new Toshiba model w/ TiVO capabilities was on sight, but this new Panasonic has it beat by a mile on features and price. The Pioneer's don't offer firewire for DV and they are priced much higher.

All that with progressive scan capabilities for reg DVD playback from the undaunted Chroma champion, Panasonic!

Yeah....

Count me down for one!

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undaunted Chroma champion, Panasonic!
Uh, sorry, don't want to burst your bubble but starting with the HS2, the Panasonic DVDR's DO suffer from the dreaded CUE aka chroma bug. See the Secrets Shootout page linked in the DVD Hardware forum for more info.

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Anybody know if the 100 has better editing capabilities than the 80? I'm planning on buying an HDD/DVD machine within the next month, and from what I've seen, Panasonic is the leader in this field. However, I've also heard that the editing capabilities of everything up to the 80 machines leave a lot to be desired. If there's no real difference in that regard, I'd probably just go with the much cheaper 80 model. I've asked Panasonic's tech support, but they're entirely useless.

I'd also be interested to know if you can digitally copy a finalized dvd-r that you've previously recorded back to the HD in order to make additional copies. In another thread somebody mentioned that Panasonic HAS to not allow this function in order to prevent the copying of copyrighted materials, but I'm not talking about copying materials with copy protection, I'm talking about making copies of home movies and such. It really sucks that you'd have to switch to a PC in order to do such a simple task.

I know it's early and probably nobody ownes one yet, but some of you folks seem to know the inside scoop on things.

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I'd probably just go with the much cheaper 80 model.
E100 from what I've seen sells for about $850 now. I bet in a couple of months you could get it (E100) for $700, and the E80 for $500 or so.

Not much of a difference, I would wait and get the E100!
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I'd also be interested to know if you can digitally copy a finalized dvd-r that you've previously recorded back to the HD in order to make additional copies. In another thread somebody mentioned that Panasonic HAS to not allow this function in order to prevent the copying of copyrighted materials, but I'm not talking about copying materials with copy protection, I'm talking about making copies of home movies and such. It really sucks that you'd have to switch to a PC in order to do such a simple task.
Probably still won't be able to dub from DVD-R back to the HDD. But if you think you might want to make copies of something in the future and really can't stomach duplicating your original DVD-R using the PC, you can always archive a master copy to DVD-RAM (actually its probably easier just to make disk-to-disk copies on your PC than it is to upload it from EITHER DVD-R or DVD-R (if possible) to the E80/100's HDD then dub back to DVD-R). Then you could losslessly dub from the master DVD-RAM to the HDD anytime you needed to make additional DVD-R copies. DVD-RAM's can be obtained for around $3 to $5 nowadays so its not a huge investment vs. a DVD-R.

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Uh, sorry, don't want to burst your bubble but starting with the HS2, the Panasonic DVDR's DO suffer from the dreaded CUE aka chroma bug. See the Secrets Shootout page linked in the DVD Hardware forum for more info.
Wow, I guess I've been out of the loop for some time! :(

That sucks. Oh well, I guess I'll have to deal or wait to see what the Pioneer or Toshiba models offer from the progressive scan side. I'm guessing they won't be much better.

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I personally wouldn't pass on the Panny just because it has mediocre playback quality. The important thing is that it cranks out excellent looking DVD's and has great editing and dubbing capabilities.

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E100 from what I've seen sells for about $850 now. I bet in a couple of months you could get it (E100) for $700, and the E80 for $500 or so.
You can already get the E80 for "$500 or so".
Looks like the $509 price went away, but about $535 (inc shipping) is the lowest price I currently see on dealtime.com.
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What benefit is the IEEE 1394 Firewire input, other than camcorder DV dubbing?
Can you digitally dub any other source (STB)?
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I saw a posting on another board on the e100 stating that it has a new feature called CPMR (content protection for recordable media) so that when certain protected media (via broadcasting, I assume) is recorded to the hdd and transferred to ram or dvd-r, it is then automatically erased from the hdd, so that no more copies can be made. Yikes !! I don't have an e100, so I can't confirm this ...:confused:
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The E80 manual claims that the E80 ALSO has CPMR...
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If I want to get one of these this month, should I wait a week, for better prices, or pull the trigger now?
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All of Panasonic DVD recorders have CPRM copy protection which allows user to record the "Copy Once" flagged program on to a DVD-RAM disc. Pioneer DVR-7000 also has CPRM for DVD-RW.

Other format, DVD-R, +R, +RW don't have CPRM, so user can't record the "Copy Once" show on to these type discs.
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Are CPRM-flagged programs broadcast/distributed yet in the states? Or is this a future-proofing feature when and if the flagging is deployed (which is how I largely view DVI-HDCP)? In my brief introduction to this topic (mostly from related forums), I have only heard of actual CPRM-flagged broadcasts in Japan.

Here's another possible DVI-HDCP* parallel: Without CPRM-capable machines, perhaps we won't be able to record/play the flagged broadcast/disk in the first place -- let alone copy it once? If this is correct, then in a twisted way, having such capability is a good thing.

*OT: I have a DVI-HDCP capable TV, and as I understand it, without this capability, HDCP-flagged programs cannot be viewed through DVI. For over a year, these forums been debating whether HDCP is good thing.
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If I want to get one of these this month, should I wait a week, for better prices, or pull the trigger now?
Depends on how bad you want it. If saving $100-200 is no big deal for you, get it now.

In a week or so it is not gonna come down that much if any. But as more and more retailers get this I bet the price will come down to around $700. And this could take a month or two.
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I'd consider this unit if it's less picky on blank media selection and the menu system on the finalized disc is better, otherwise the E80 fits the bill on most uses. Another 40GB is not a big difference if you can get 2 units instead of one anyway. Twice the protection just in case hard drive crashes. Besides, the data files gets split off at 4 or 6 hours anyway depending on the record mode.

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Can someone please explain what is the "cue" problem?
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This unit is the first Panny that allows images for chapter menus, instead of just text.
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Wow, I guess I've been out of the loop for some time! :(

That sucks. Oh well, I guess I'll have to deal or wait to see what the Pioneer or Toshiba models offer from the progressive scan side. I'm guessing they won't be much better.

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What is the "cue" problem you mentioned in your thread?
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Chroma Upsampling Error AKA "the dreaded chroma bug" Much-discussed in various DVD hardware threads over the past few years. Most DVD players have it, and only tweaks can see it.
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Uh, sorry, don't want to burst your bubble but starting with the HS2, the Panasonic DVDR's DO suffer from the dreaded CUE aka chroma bug. See the Secrets Shootout page linked in the DVD Hardware forum for more info.
I can't find the secret shootouts- can someone link?

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