Pio 533/633 vs. Tosh XS34 vs. Pan EH50 - Page 4 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
post #91 of 500 Old 04-28-2005, 05:43 PM
Member
 
ackebous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Allentown, Pa
Posts: 151
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Captain Shirk, what do you mean when you said Toshiba is way behind with their XS34? Are you saying in quality and features or actual release date? Just curious because I have both on my short list and the Pioneer 520 only has a 10-bit/54 MHz Video Digtial/Analog Converter and so does the new Toshiba. Do you think maybe the new Pioneer will be a 12 bit ?
ackebous is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #92 of 500 Old 04-28-2005, 06:15 PM
Member
 
Mr Gimme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Sunrise 1/2 mile to the northeast of Sawgrass Mall
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Benifica,

Are you basing this on the European specs?
What is your source?

If this is true the wait is over I will get a 520 and be done with the waiting.
Mr Gimme is offline  
post #93 of 500 Old 04-28-2005, 07:47 PM
Senior Member
 
Captain Shirk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 431
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally posted by ackebous:
Captain Shirk, what do you mean when you said Toshiba is way behind with their XS34? Are you saying in quality and features or actual release date?
Actual release date. They said they'd be available in March. It's now April 28, and they're still not on store shelves. :mad:

Quote:
...Just curious because I have both (Toshiba and Pioneer) on my short list....
Me too. Or at least I did, before I got tired of waiting and just bought a Panasonic E-95. I'm quite happy with it, by the way. It's so much better than a VCR that I'm willing to put up with its quirks and shortcomings.

When I start shopping for a second DVD recorder, I'll consider the RD-XS34 and the Pio 533H. But that might not be for a while, since now that I have a recorder, the pressure to get one has been released. I would be leaning toward the Toshiba, since it has RAM capability, which the Pioneer doesn't.


Quote:
...Do you think maybe the new Pioneer will be a 12 bit?
I doubt it. Their Jan. 5 press release -- which is about all anyone's ever heard from them -- says their DVR-233-S has a 10-bit converter. I doubt that the other models in the same line will have different converters.
Captain Shirk is offline  
post #94 of 500 Old 04-28-2005, 09:51 PM
Member
 
HiDefLifestyle1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Posts: 125
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
First model - The new Pani DMREH50S,

Long story but....

Panasonic recently decided to relocate their entire US operations to Chicago from NJ after previously selling their Chicago building... (long story...)

This has caused them a horrible delay in almost all their new '05 releases. We were told today that we should have the H50S by the end of May at the latest. We're not 100% sure that this date won't slip but we know that all of the Panasonic reps are really starting to hurt as they don't have any new products to sell. We'll update when we have more info...

Toshiba X34 - we will check with our Toshiba rep tomorrow and post an update on their current expected ship date.

Aaron S.
HIDEF Lifestyle
HiDefLifestyle1 is offline  
post #95 of 500 Old 04-29-2005, 02:19 AM
Senior Member
 
Benfica's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Lisbon - Portugal
Posts: 240
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally posted by Mr Gimme
Are you basing this on the European specs?
What is your source?
I´m basing this statement on the User Manual (availlable in the link I provided), after I read it.

These are European specs, as I mentioned before.

HTH
Benfica is offline  
post #96 of 500 Old 04-29-2005, 06:52 PM
Member
 
ackebous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Allentown, Pa
Posts: 151
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Toshiba shipped out our first batch of the RD-XS34 (30 pieces) on the 26th
Thanks for the update. Finally some positive news on the new models.

I called Pioneer today and they still do not have a release date. The guy said the new model is very different than the 520h. He talked about the previously mentioned 10 hour recording ability to DVD and I believe he said up to 170 hours to hard drive. He stated this is because of a change in the way the compression is done. This on a 80 gig unit. I asked if he could tell me the suggested retail but he did not have it. The 520 shows on their web site at 799.99 and I believe a previous post on this forum stated the new 533 will sell for about 499. Does this sound reasonable? He also said the 533 will have commercial skip, and they up'd the fast play from 1.3 to 1.5 speed.
ackebous is offline  
post #97 of 500 Old 04-29-2005, 08:49 PM
Advanced Member
 
ngohit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: SE PA (U.S.A.)
Posts: 668
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally posted by ackebous
The 520 shows on their web site at 799.99 and I believe a previous post on this forum stated the new 533 will sell for about 499. Does this sound reasonable?
This was the price quoted by Pioneer for the 533 in their original press release. The 633 was quotes as being $599.

The main thing I want to know is if the 533/633 will, like the 420/520, be able to automatically start recording when a satellite receiver turns-on. I *love* this feature of my 420. Since Pioneer is offering TV Guide in the 533/633 models, I don't know if this means the automatic recording feature of the 420/520s will be dropped. If it is, I'll opt for another 520.
ngohit is offline  
post #98 of 500 Old 04-30-2005, 09:55 AM - Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
longplay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: US
Posts: 219
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally posted by HiDefLifestyle1
Toshiba shipped out our first batch of the RD-XS34 (30 pieces) on the 26th.

They should land early next week. [/b]
I'll take them !!! ... LOL



Thanks for posting, HiDef, that's really great news.:)
longplay is offline  
post #99 of 500 Old 04-30-2005, 11:58 AM
Member
 
hdtvforme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Long Island, NY.
Posts: 166
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Good news about the Toshiba. The improvements over the XS32 should
make the XS34 a winner. I'm looking forward to getting one.
hdtvforme is offline  
post #100 of 500 Old 04-30-2005, 05:48 PM
Senior Member
 
Luc48's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 377
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally posted by Benfica
Some things that I noticed so far, regarding new pioneer recorders (not mention of other new features already posted):

- New Look Disk Navigator
- No DV out
- Records to 16x DVD-R media, but at 12x
- Can record DVD-R in VR mode
- Jukebox (you can copy your CDs to HDD, at real time in DD 2.0 @ 256 Kbps)
- Has a new XP+ mode to record to HDD (15 Mbps)
- Max 10 hrs recording per DVD (who would use that ?!?!?)
- Max resolution (720 x 480) up to 3h30m

HTH
According to that german web site it's capable of recording Dual Layer (to DVD-R only). So that would explain the 10 hours:-). I wonder if that's also true for the 533H which would be really nice (and an edge to the Toshiba).
They're still expensive but price should come down for DL.
Luc48 is offline  
post #101 of 500 Old 05-01-2005, 10:07 AM
Member
 
ackebous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Allentown, Pa
Posts: 151
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I think it is a safe bet that the US model will not have DL. According to the Pioneer customer service guy I talked to last week, the 10 hour recording per DVD is because of a improved compression rate. The same for the 170 hour max on hard drive for the 533 compared to 102 hours on the 520. But he also said that commercial skip is new for the 533 but I think it was listed on the specs for the 520. Go figure. The fast play speed increase from 1.3 to 1.5 was also noted as an improvement but the new Toshiba also will have a fast play of 1.5 with audio.
ackebous is offline  
post #102 of 500 Old 05-01-2005, 11:02 AM - Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
longplay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: US
Posts: 219
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I called some of pioneers authorized internet dealers yesterday, and heard eta's for the 533 as far away as 6/15.
On the other hand, a couple dealers now have the 233s in stock.
Now that the XS34 is hitting the streets, the pressure is really on Pioneer to get their act together.
longplay is offline  
post #103 of 500 Old 05-01-2005, 11:51 AM
Member
 
krisb01's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 45
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Thanks for passing along that info, ackebous. It's nice to know that Pioneer is making other improvements than just the TV Guide feature. With the 520's on sale in some stores, I was getting mighty tempted just to pick up one of those. Knowing that the new models will have these additional features makes me want to wait for one, but June is just too far off. If the Toshiba XS34 starts hitting stores and we find out that Pioneer isn't just around the corner, then I'll likely just pick up an XS34.

Also, it would be nice for Pioneer to at least update their website with some info on their new machines with perhaps a release date.
krisb01 is offline  
post #104 of 500 Old 05-02-2005, 10:46 AM
Advanced Member
 
jpurkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA USA
Posts: 526
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally posted by ackebous
... But he also said that commercial skip is new for the 533 but I think it was listed on the specs for the 520. Go figure. The fast play speed increase from 1.3 to 1.5 was also noted as an improvement but the new Toshiba also will have a fast play of 1.5 with audio.
What media types does the fast play support? I like the 1.33x play on my Panasonic, but do wish it would work with DVD-R instead of just DVD-RAM.
jpurkey is offline  
post #105 of 500 Old 05-02-2005, 11:07 AM
AVS Special Member
 
JeffWld's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Toronto, Ontario Canada
Posts: 1,397
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally posted by longplay
On the other hand, a couple dealers now have the 233s in stock.
An interesting trend. On both the Panasonic ES-10 and the Pioneer 233, there is no fan. Another cutback in the DVD pricing wars. I notice that the ES-10 runs very warm/hot...and stays warm to the touch when it is powered off.
JeffWld is offline  
post #106 of 500 Old 05-02-2005, 12:02 PM
Member
 
krisb01's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 45
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Hmmm... on amazon.com the Toshiba RD-XS34 is listed as shipping in 1-2 business days, but it looks like it's from a 3rd party dealer called BeachAudio.com.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...&s=pc&n=507846

If this is true, then this unit will hopefully be showing up everywhere very soon.
krisb01 is offline  
post #107 of 500 Old 05-02-2005, 01:49 PM
Senior Member
 
Captain Shirk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 431
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally posted by jpurkey:
What media types does the fast play support? I like the 1.3x play on my Panasonic, but do wish it would work with DVD-R instead of just DVD-RAM.
I agree!!!

I also just discovered that the "Time Slip" feature (which allows a user to enter the number of minutes he wishes to skip forward or backward) doesn't work with finalized DVD-R's. :(
Captain Shirk is offline  
post #108 of 500 Old 05-03-2005, 12:10 AM
Member
 
krisb01's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 45
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 10
The Toshiba XS34 is now available directly from Amazon.com. $419.94 - ships within 24 hours.
krisb01 is offline  
post #109 of 500 Old 05-03-2005, 04:28 AM
 
waters's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 139
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
...and now Office Depot as well.
waters is offline  
post #110 of 500 Old 05-03-2005, 10:01 AM
Advanced Member
 
jpurkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA USA
Posts: 526
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Shirk
I agree!!!

I also just discovered that the "Time Slip" feature (which allows a user to enter the number of minutes he wishes to skip forward or backward) doesn't work with finalized DVD-R's. :(
Yes, there doesn't seem to be any way to get around other than by chapters. I know for example I can enter 13 and end up pretty close to 1:00, but it would be nice if you could enter an exact time.
jpurkey is offline  
post #111 of 500 Old 05-03-2005, 10:33 AM - Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
longplay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: US
Posts: 219
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally posted by jpurkey
Yes, there doesn't seem to be any way to get around other than by chapters. I know for example I can enter 13 and end up pretty close to 1:00, but it would be nice if you could enter an exact time.
Captain and Jpurkey - just to be clear - I assume you guys are talking about the last generation of Panny, and not the EH50 or the XS34 ( or obviously not any of the RAMless Pioneer models).

Do you know how this might work on the EH50 or the XS34 (or the 533)??
longplay is offline  
post #112 of 500 Old 05-03-2005, 11:23 AM
Advanced Member
 
jpurkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Chantilly, VA USA
Posts: 526
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I have the Panny E75. Time-Slip only works with DVD-RAM and unfinalized DVD-R. The same is true for Commercial Skip.
jpurkey is offline  
post #113 of 500 Old 05-03-2005, 02:43 PM
Senior Member
 
Captain Shirk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 431
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I have the Panasonic E-95. Not sure why it's impossible to use "Time Slip" or "Commercial Skip" with finalized DVD-R's (Which Panasonic considers "DVD-V[ideo]), but that's the way Panny seems to want it.

It's not a technical thing -- there's no technological reason you can't do it -- my 2001-era JVC DVD player can jump around a DVD (using hours and minutes) all day long. It's just a strange decision by Panasonic to limit the functionality of their recorders.
Captain Shirk is offline  
post #114 of 500 Old 05-04-2005, 10:46 PM
Member
 
hdtvforme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Long Island, NY.
Posts: 166
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
From reading the specs of the RD-XS34 it looks as if it
has only one set of inputs on the rear of the unit. Why would
Toshiba drop a set of inputs ?

http://www.tacp.com/dvr/product.asp?model=rd-xs34

That blows...........
hdtvforme is offline  
post #115 of 500 Old 05-07-2005, 10:21 AM - Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
longplay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: US
Posts: 219
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Wondering who has ordered one this week? Who will be the first to report firing one up?

I am still holding out for a Pio 533, but it gets to be more of a struggle every day, now that the XS34 is here. C'mon, tempt me.:)
longplay is offline  
post #116 of 500 Old 05-07-2005, 10:45 AM
Senior Member
 
Jithtproject's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Central NJ
Posts: 431
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I am also in the same boat.I am also awaiting Pio 533. But for how long?

JHT
Jithtproject is offline  
post #117 of 500 Old 05-07-2005, 12:39 PM
Member
 
krisb01's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 45
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I don't know what's going on with the Toshiba RD-XS34. Amazon.com now has the message "This item has not yet been released. You may order it now and we will ship it to you when it arrives." That's funny... they said it was in-stock just a few days ago.

Is this thing really available now or not?
krisb01 is offline  
post #118 of 500 Old 05-07-2005, 01:06 PM
Member
 
ackebous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Allentown, Pa
Posts: 151
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Since the Toshiba is on my short list along with the Pioneer, I have been checking this thread constantly to see if anyone has got the Toshiba and used it. All week, I have been checking Tech Depot and they were showing 227 in stock. It is hard to believe that the number didn't change. Now today, when I checked, they show having 226 in stock. http://www.techdepot.com/product.asp?productid=2837499 That would indicate they only sold 1 unit in a week !! Maybe, because I do not want to order one from them because they have a "no return" policy on it. But it still makes one wonder what is going on. About a week and a half ago this was posted here by HiDefLifestyle1
Quote:
Toshiba shipped out our first batch of the RD-XS34 (30 pieces) on the 26th. They should land early next week.
A update was never posted saying they got them hmmmm
ackebous is offline  
post #119 of 500 Old 05-07-2005, 02:02 PM
Member
 
ackebous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Allentown, Pa
Posts: 151
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Thanks for the update. I see on your website, you show the new Panasonic DMR-EH50. So are you saying you now have the Panny and Toshiba in stock? If so, will you be posting any kind of reviews on the two of them?
ackebous is offline  
post #120 of 500 Old 05-07-2005, 04:20 PM
Senior Member
 
Captain Shirk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 431
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
From the TECHDEPOT website:
"No returns on Toshiba DVD, VCR, & TV. Please call 800-631-3811 for warranty issues."
So even if it arrives D.O.A., you're S.O.L.?

I think that's why they've only sold one unit in the last week.
:rolleyes:
Captain Shirk is offline  
Closed Thread DVD Recorders (Standard Def)

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off