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That's weird, hoops. I have had a vast number of Apex players (Ad-500/Ad-3201/Ad-500WM/Ad-1500/etc) and they all played -R discs. Since I wouldn't touch +R discs, I can't say what they would do with those.

The one I have only plays +R but there is a risky mod posted on the web (not by Apex) to make it play -R as well, but I am not brave enough to try that

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hoops,

What Apex do you have?
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hoops,

What Apex do you have?

AD-600A, i think from 6-7 years ago

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AD-600A, i think from 6-7 years ago

So you're just accessing the loophole menu rather than doing the mod?
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So you're just accessing the loophole menu rather than doing the mod?

I do not know what the "loophole menu" is. The only loophole I know of is macro-vision elimination in earlier models. I saw some websites mention that trick but it doesn't work on mine. Mine appears to be a later version after they presumably fixed the firmware.

I just put in the DVD+R in and press play, I don't do anything special. Are there any other hidden featues? Where? Where? :-)

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I was speaking of the macro/region-free loop. "Fixed" the firmware. More like ruined it.
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Having recently gotten a PC DVD burner, I'm trying to figure out how I can "make sure" I get quality, reliable R discs. The first I got were Fujifilm branded 16x +Rs on sale at Best Buy, hoping they would be "OK." They are "PRODISC R05." You may have seen my thread about my Pioneer recorder not playing them though it did the first 5 or 6 times. After assuming it was a firmware problem with the Pioneer's drive, I Googled "PRODISC R05" and from tests on CD Freaks' forum, it doesn't sound like they're very good -- high PIF errors I think. Looking at the review of my Sony PC burner, most all of the tested discs came out better than the PRODISC R05 results I've seen.

My questions are:

Would having high error rates make a player eject a DVD, while it plays fine on another one of the same model (but it has about 3x less use)? I'll soon see if I try different discs!

How do you guys make sure you're getting good discs? Don't buy brands like Fuji that use different manufacturers? I just saw in another thread, someone said stick with Taiyo Yuden (of course, that's the one name I see everywhere! ), TDK, or Verbatim. Do TDK and Verbatims always come from the same manufacturer? I know about getting unbranded TYs or whatever online, but I mean when shopping at a local store that has a sale or something.

What about Sony discs? I ask since BB has the 25-pack on sale this week. It looks like they actually make their own discs? Of course being Sony, they're on my burner's media compatibilty list, and the tested +Rs came out OK in the CD Freaks review, though the -Rs had some read-back issues.

Finally, the + or - format decision... I had chose to get "+" discs since I don't care to record on Rs with the "-" format Pioneer recorder; I read that the "+" format is "superior" (technically); and my burner allows changing the book type to DVD-ROM, for better player compatibility. Then I see posts on here that sound like a lot of you don't like "+" and swear by "-". I guess any recent player, and future ones that I'd encounter, will player either, so maybe it's pointless to pick a "better" one? Though also in favor of "+" for me, the Sony seems to burn them slightly better.

Don't know if it was OK to post this here; perhaps I should've made a new thread...

Thanks for any advice! Wish it was simpler to get good discs.


P.S. Does anyone know if Best Buy will take back the unused Fujis (I used 6/100), for even a partial refund/exchange if I say they quit working in my player and I think they're poor quality? Have my doubts, but I'll see soon if I try.
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Those are the ones we nickname "Playaz" here. A few months ago, Staples had 50-pks of these in both + and - for $5; on cdfreaks.com they were found (esp. the +Rs) to be AML discs that burned VERY nice, and I hated that I'd only bought one spindle of 'em. If they're the same AML-002 (or -001, I forget) media code, then they're a good buy.

Dunno about the DL ones, though.

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Anybody tried these yet?

Playboy makes DL discs now? Come on, Staples, give us a sale already! If the SL discs run $.04 each, then how about DL discs for $.08 each?
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Having recently gotten a PC DVD burner, I'm trying to figure out how I can "make sure" I get quality, reliable R discs. The first I got were Fujifilm branded 16x +Rs on sale at Best Buy, hoping they would be "OK." They are "PRODISC R05." You may have seen my thread about my Pioneer recorder not playing them though it did the first 5 or 6 times. After assuming it was a firmware problem with the Pioneer's drive, I Googled "PRODISC R05" and from tests on CD Freaks' forum, it doesn't sound like they're very good -- high PIF errors I think. Looking at the review of my Sony PC burner, most all of the tested discs came out better than the PRODISC R05 results I've seen.

My questions are:

Would having high error rates make a player eject a DVD, while it plays fine on another one of the same model (but it has about 3x less use)? I'll soon see if I try different discs!

How do you guys make sure you're getting good discs? Don't buy brands like Fuji that use different manufacturers? I just saw in another thread, someone said stick with Taiyo Yuden (of course, that's the one name I see everywhere! ), TDK, or Verbatim. Do TDK and Verbatims always come from the same manufacturer? I know about getting unbranded TYs or whatever online, but I mean when shopping at a local store that has a sale or something.

My advice: in case you have not run across this link elsewhere in the forum, read the first half of this to get an idea about media quality and who uses what.

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

Then after you have read this, go over to

www.supermediastore.com

and buy a 100 pack of Taiyo-Yuden 8x DVD-R - Premium line - for $0.35/disk - top of the line media, they don't get any better.

Then you will be able to sit back with a smile the next time you see someone write to ask if anyone thinks they can take back the pile of crap chinese disks they just bought on sale.

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Playboy makes DL discs now? Come on, Staples, give us a sale already! If the SL discs run $.04 each, then how about DL discs for $.08 each?

That price will get me interested in +R DL :-)

I am hoping for another Playaz clearance sale during the Memorial Day weekend...

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If Playaz' +R DLs are "Ritek D01", avoid 'em at all costs. Someone's gonna have to be the guinea pig, though.

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I remember there is a line in one of the "Back to the Future" movie that says, " No wonder it doesn't work, it is made in Japan."
LOL on those comments on chinese media. The Staples 8x DVD media I bought for $2.99 after coupon this week is the best media deal. I am on the 4th box of it now and have no problems in 4 different burners (3 different brands) and a DVD recorder. They are CMC media and ratings at videohelp.com are good.
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I remember there is a line in one of the "Back to the Future" movie that says, "No wonder it doesn't work, it is made in Japan." LOL on those comments on Chinese media.

But in 1955, Japanese goods were of low quality, just like Chinese DVD media is in 2006. You're the only one laughing.

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I remember there is a line in one of the "Back to the Future" movie that says, " No wonder it doesn't work, it is made in Japan."
LOL on those comments on chinese media. The Staples 8x DVD media I bought for $2.99 after coupon this week is the best media deal. I am on the 4th box of it now and have no problems in 4 different burners (3 different brands) and a DVD recorder. They are CMC media and ratings at videohelp.com are good.

Coupon? Where? where? :-)

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Just a quick note for those interested in the Fuji multi-colors: They are selling for $15 for a 30pk at Ritz (I was there today).

I still didn't get around to doing a summary of the Sunday paper deals. The only one I recall off the top of my head is 25pk TDK $7 at Circuit City. I have yet to have a problem with either TDK -R or +R.

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Anyone know what will work in a POS LiteOn 5005? Does anything 8X work at all?

(For $20 w/remote I couldn't pass it up, thought maybe I'd give it to my 8-year old son to do recordings, but it's gagged on everything I've thrown at it so far except for CD-R and some DVD-ROMs.)
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Just a quick note for those interested in the Fuji multi-colors: They are selling for $15 for a 30pk at Ritz

Any MIJ?

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But in 1955, Japanese goods were of low quality, just like Chinese DVD media is in 2006. You're the only one laughing.

And you are the only one crying.
See the videohelp.com rating on those CMC made Staples media.
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Any MIJ?

Oops! I forgot to check that. I'll try to remember to check next time i am at Ritz/Wolf.

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And you are the only one crying.
See the videohelp.com rating on those CMC made Staples media.

Yes, even crap media will burn acceptably in a good burner or at low speeds with a strong laser and I'm happy they seem to be working for you, but lets see if you can still play those disks a year from now. There are several long standing threads on this forum discussing "media rot" and blank disk testing for error rates (do a search on "bobkart"). A lot of long-standing posters here stay away from chinese crap media for good reasons born of experience. If you don't care about longevity of your content or are just giving them away then chinese crap works for you. But given that top-of-the-line japanese media (Taiyo-Yuden) is available for less than $0.30/disk, it all seems so pointless.

Also, the Videohelp.com "ratings" you cite are not ratings at all but a collection of user comments (all 13 of them). If you want to see ratings and a lot of good disk quality commentary, check out http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

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There are good and bad chinese made media. I am burning these CMC 8x media at 8x and 12x without problem. I also did a surface scan on the burned media and they are good. Don't forget that these 2 particular CMC media (AE1 and E01) are also OEM for HP. There are a couple points you made that are valid though. I do have other cheap 8x media that can only be burned reliably at 1x-2x and the quality of burner does make a big difference. It is risky to make a generalization statement just based on the country of production. Afterall, I am not saying all cheap chinese media are good. I said the media under these two codes are good no matter you pay $25/50pk for HP brand or $3/50pk Staples brand.
Again, other CMC media also have problem too (e.g. their 16x is not as good). So be specific to comment on particular media code down to the last digit, not by brand, country of manufacturing, or just the manufacturer code (as in the site you linked).
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CMC is Chinese? I was under the impression it was Taiwanese?

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Which is Korean? The one from North Korea or South Korea?
Yes, CMC is mostly MIT but they also have plant in China and Thailand.
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Well, if you're using the literal definition of "Chinese" to include "Taiwanese" as well, NOBODY here has said that "all Taiwanese media is crap". Now, I do understand there IS actual "MIC" media, and that it hasn't been rated very well AT ALL. I don't know the mediacode, though.

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That is the difference between chinese made and MIC (MIPRC to be accurate). Funny that the government in Taiwan (Republic of China) was the official Chinese in UN until 70s. In a couple years, only the simplified characters from China will be recognized as Chinese characters in UN too.
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As I indicated, the key is not how well it plays right after you burn it, but rather whether or not it will play at all a year later. CMC is rebranded to source HP, Imation, Memorex and others. Their -R media (regardless of code) has been consistently rated in the lowest tier for as long as I can remember. In my own experience, when I first started burning, my first 25 pack of DVD-R was Memorex (CMC). My first burner was a 1-2X so all those Memorex disks burned and played back without error. After 6 months, many of them started to exhibit playback errors at the outer 20% of the disk. A year and a half later, nearly all of them are unplayable -- the errors are so severe the player cannot compensate and freezes.

I would be happy to hear you sing the praises of CMC media a year from now if all those burns you make today can still be played.

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Come on, Kelson. Haven't you read my countless wonderful reviews of Forget-it-ex/MemorSux discs on this thread?

If mine had lasted 6 months I would have been shocked.
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