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post #181 of 1027 Old 02-28-2007, 10:49 PM
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Do you have a reference (web site or otherwise) source for these options as described? I have seen similar, but maybe different versions of the flags (actually referred to as a pair of data bits in the VBI) and I am trying my best to understand how this all works.

The labels that came with my Video Filter (from Logic Design) specify a pair of settings for DIP switches: 1) 16:9 or 4:3, and 2) Normal or Letterboxed.

I am not challenging your information. I am hoping to somehow correlate the Video Filter version with yours to improve my understanding of how the flags are set and then how the DVD players respond to them.

I have tested and confirmed DVD player behaviors (to my satisfaction at least) as they relate to user-set options in the player (screen aspect ratio and pan and scan vs. letterbox of 16:9 programs).

This gets a little confusing when viewing a 4:3 program on a DVD (set for 16:9 TV) because the result on the 16:9 TV is a horizontally-stretched version of the 4:3 program. I have not found a method of achieving OAR viewing of a 4:3 DVD program on a 16:9 TV, short of changing the settings on the TV. This can work for me, but it confuses others in my family.

when the aspect is set to 4:3 on the DVD disc, then the player outputs the full-screen image, no cropping or letterboxing, no matter what setting it has. in that case, folks with a widescreen TV have to go into the TV settings and change their TV to display 4:3 because DVD players don't pillarbox. hopefully Blu-Ray/HD-DVD players will pillarbox.

Check the following link for an idea of how DVD source aspect ratio, player aspect setting, and display aspect all fit together in different combinations:
http://stream.uen.org/medsol/dvd/pag...spectrati.html (scroll down to the tables)
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Did a quick search of this thread, but did not find mention of the 2 new Toshiba DVD recorders that will be offered without tuners.

From the Toshiba web site: (click here)

Toshiba's entry level D-R400 single deck DVD recorder offers HDMI with upconversion to 720p, 1080i and 1080p. It also offers one touch recording and a DV input. The step-up model, the D-R550, adds ATSC, QAM and NTSC tuners.

The top of the line Toshiba D-VR650 Super Multi Drive DVD recorder + VCR combination unit offers ATSC, QAM and NTSC tuners and HDMI with upconversion to 720p and 1080i. In addition to recording and playback of DVD-R/-RW/+R/+RW, this model also offers recording and playback of DVD-RAM. The D-VR650 features Toshiba's high quality DVD recorder capabilities and a 4 Head Hi-Fi VCR capable of high speed bi-directional dubbing. For added flexibility and convenience to consumers, Toshiba will also offer the D-VR600 which includes the same features as the D-VR650 without the tuners.

So it appears that Toshiba will be selling 2 DVD recorders without tuners. The D-R400, and the D-VR600 that adds VHS.

Amazon.com has these listed for preorder.

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i have a relative in florida and he said walmart has already started carrying them and they are for sale as of now.

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philips DVDR3505/37

thats the one that was spotted and he says its $149.99 not anywhere near $200 like j.r.com says.

i spoke to philips support and he said most if not all best buys and walmart should be carrying them.

so atsc recorders are here now..

No one else has seen them, so I have doubts.
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No one else has seen them, so I have doubts.

Unlike the new hard drive version (DVDR3575H/37) which no one knows
when it will be released, the DVDR3505/37 is listed on the Philips website
here.
I don't see a price though...
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ouch seems expensive.
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Unlike the new hard drive version (DVDR3575H/37) which no one knows
when it will be released, the DVDR3505/37 is listed on the Philips website
here.
I don't see a price though...

Someone in Fl said it was selling for $149 at Walmart - sounds like an upgrade to the 3390 that Walmart already carries.
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Someone in Fl said it was selling for $149 at Walmart - sounds like an upgrade to the 3390 that Walmart already carries.

So far, the DVDR3575H/37 with 160 GB hard drive is only listed
at one site,
and will be a little over $300 USD.
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So far, the DVDR3575H/37 with 160 GB hard drive is only listed
at one site,
and will be a little over $300 USD.

I was talking about the 3505.
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I was talking about the 3505.

I know.
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While many sites list the Samsung DVD-R157 with an ATSC tuner according to the manual listed on the Samsung web site, it does not have a tuner.
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No one else has seen them, so I have doubts.

Me too! I think it might be late March-April before we get any user report. Me, I'm waiting for the Pannys, which are slated for April-May, according to the press reports.

It's real screwy for those of us with "HDTV ready" sets. Next to no separate tuners now available, no ATSC recorders either. Except for the high power consumption and possible noise, I'd probably convert my desktop computer to a home theatre PC and record everything in high def.

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Unlike the new hard drive version (DVDR3575H/37) which no one knows
when it will be released, the DVDR3505/37 is listed on the Philips website
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I just read the manual for this and it states that it will only record in 4:3 format, even if the source material is 16:9. This makes no sense as if I am recording HD I would want to at least retain the 16:9 format and not have to use the 4:3 for playback on a widescreen tv (or have to use stretch which makes the picture worse)

I was hoping to get one of the new ATSC models and have the output go to one of my existing hard drive units for now, for the sole reason of being able to record the widescreen format - even knowing that it won't be true high definition quality.
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I just read the manual for this and it states that it will only record in 4:3 format, even if the source material is 16:9. This makes no sense as if I am recording HD I would want to at least retain the 16:9 format and not have to use the 4:3 for playback on a widescreen tv (or have to use stretch which makes the picture worse)

I was hoping to get one of the new ATSC models and have the output go to one of my existing hard drive units for now, for the sole reason of being able to record the widescreen format - even knowing that it won't be true high definition quality.

So, does it letterbox it to adjust aspect ratio? My TV has a mode that expands letterbox in such a way that doesn't look too bad, but not as good as a widescreen DVD. I imagine widescreen DVD quality is what you were hoping for. Me too!

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I just read the manual for this and it states that it will only record in 4:3 format, even if the source material is 16:9. This makes no sense as if I am recording HD I would want to at least retain the 16:9 format and not have to use the 4:3 for playback on a widescreen tv (or have to use stretch which makes the picture worse)

I would hope that this would at least do a letterbox and not an indiscrimante crop. Some shows (ER, Conan, etc) are showing letterbox on the SD feed, so cropping that would lose important data...in the future even more will play outside the 4:3 safe area.

If this can't record 16:9, cross it off my list of candidates.

At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it.

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I'm interested in the Toshiba D R550 and the Panasonic DMR-EZ17K.

Basically I'm interested in an NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuner that records. A 250 gig or greater DDR would be preferred but a DVD recorder that does 16:9 anamorphic recordings properly would be OK if the price is right. Of course DD 5.1 would also be nice.

The two listed above meet the basic criterion, but do any of you know of any DVRs with NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuners at reasonable prices coming to market anytime in the near future?

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I'm interested in the Toshiba D R550 and the Panasonic DMR-EZ17K.

Basically I'm interested in an NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuner that records. A 250 gig or greater DDR would be preferred but a DVD recorder that does 16:9 anamorphic recordings properly would be OK if the price is right. Of course DD 5.1 would also be nice.

The two listed above meet the basic criterion, but do any of you know of any DVRs with NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuners at reasonable prices coming to market anytime in the near future?

I don't know about Toshiba, but I've been told by a Panasonic employee
than their 2007 models will not have hard drives.
The only DVR/DVD Recorder I've seen so far has an unknown release date.
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The two listed above meet the basic criterion, but do any of you know of any DVRs with NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuners at reasonable prices coming to market anytime in the near future?

Tivo S3? Though that probably doesn't fit your reasonable prices criterion, though I got one because of the (now expired) lifetime transfer option.
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The S3 is nice to too pricey. The Philips would be nice but QAM is a must.

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Circuit City put all of their recorders on sale today. Hopefully that is a sign the new batch of ATSC recorders are coming soon.

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I just got back from Best Buy and did not see any cut prices on the DVD recorders.

I had a de ja vue feeling in that years ago when shopping for a DVD recorder I could never tell from the outside of the box if a Tuner was included.

Now I am back to similar issue. Is tuner included and is it ATSC or NTSC or Both?

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I would hope that this would at least do a letterbox and not an indiscrimante crop. Some shows (ER, Conan, etc) are showing letterbox on the SD feed, so cropping that would lose important data...in the future even more will play outside the 4:3 safe area.

If this can't record 16:9, cross it off my list of candidates.


In our market area, some of the stations are broadcasting two (or more) substations. The regular digital HiDef station as primary, then a substation with digtial broadcast thats letterboxed and not HD.


I record ER from analog right now and it shows up as letterboxed (with great pic on my upconverting DVD player) So I would expect the digital broadcast to look as good or better.

It will be good to see how these recorders handle the HD broadcast though.

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In our market area, some of the stations are broadcasting two (or more) substations. The regular digital HiDef station as primary, then a substation with digtial broadcast thats letterboxed and not HD.


I record ER from analog right now and it shows up as letterboxed (with great pic on my upconverting DVD player) So I would expect the digital broadcast to look as good or better.

It will be good to see how these recorders handle the HD broadcast though.

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I record DTV with my LiteOn HD-A760GX through a (Digital Stream) STB
and the quality is definately better than when I record analog.
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Toshiba has put their new DVD records up on their website (D-R550 and D-VR650 ). The specs are a little hard to interpret, but that's pretty standard.

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Toshiba has put their new DVD records up on their website (D-R550 and D-VR650 ). The specs are a little hard to interpret, but that's pretty standard.

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I don't see anything about an ATSC tuner with either one...
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I don't see anything about an ATSC tuner with either one...

Look at the Detail Specs for the D-VR650.

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Look at the Detail Specs for the D-VR650.

At the bottom of the detailed specs page is a note that an external tuner is required to record television programming - implying that this model has no tuner at all.
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That's the confusing part. The last line in the Video section says:
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Built-In ATSC/NTSC/QAM Digital Tuning


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At the bottom of the detailed specs page is a note that an external tuner is required to record television programming - implying that this model has no tuner at all.

Yes, that's what caught my eye, and why my last post.
Now if Toshiba would just come out with something
similar to the as yet unreleased Philips DVDR2575H/37
I'd be tempted to spend a little more for the better brand.
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I have the same issue with JR music in the Samsung DVDR157 indicates a tuner but the manual shows none and I have emailed them twice with WTF, and of course - no reply.

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I have the same issue with JR music in the Samsung DVDR157 indicates a tuner but the manual shows none and I have emailed them twice with WTF, and of course - no reply.

If look at the manual for the 157, it has a digram of the rear panel - it has no RF connector - definitely no tuner.
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