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Apparently the Seagate ST3160022ACECS for this thing are impossible to find now! I was wondering if anyone popped in a larger say 250GB drive in their XS34. I would love to have the expanded space for more recordings as I am a pack rat!

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Putting in a larger drive is unlikely to gain you extra capacity because 250GB and 300B drives in the XS35 format to 160GB capacity.

There is no history of larger drives on the XS34, but the swap is so easy to do, give it a try. Here's my experience with an XS35 which required a drive replacement.

U-Series 9
ST3160022ACE (chattered at power on and XS35 posted 7061)
160GB
5400rpm
Config: VHJ-01
Firmware: 9.51
DateCode: 06292 (January 2007)

The first drive I tried was a Seagate.

Seagate Barracuda 7200-7
ST3120026A
120GB Cable Select
Config: DVB-03
Firmware: 8.01
DateCode: 04521 (June 2005)

The XS35 formatted with no problem, and after confirming that all was operational I checked with REMAIN.

- The capacity did not downgrade to an 80GB HDD
- The 120GB XS35 can record 54:07 hours in SP

While the case was still open I tried some other drives.

Western Digital Caviar
WD1200JB-00EVA00
120GB Master
DCM: DSBANT2CA
MfgDate: Augsut 20 2005

Western Digital Caviar
WD2500BB-55GUC0
250GB Cable Select
DCM: DSBANT2CA
MfgDate: January 21 2006

Maxtor DiamondMax 10
6L300R0
300GB Cable Select
Code: BAAJ41G20
MfgDate: April 7 2006

The larger drives formatted to 160GB.

This result encouraged me to double the capacity of my XS32, but it would not accept any of the drives above, so it remains at 80GB.

Based on how both units responded to different drives, 7034 means "Drive recognized and not acceptable" and 7061 means "No drive installed or drive not recognized". The drive does not have to be dead to earn a 7061, it may not meet the expectations of the Identify Device and/or Initialize Device Parameters commands.

The table below summarizes the info on which drives work in which units.

Code:
                            | KX50 XS32 XS34 XS35 XS52 XS54 XS55 | Y  N
                            | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | -  -
 80GB Maxtor  4R080L0     * |  Y    Y              Y    Y        | 4
 80GB Seagate ST380012A  ** |  Y    Y         Y         Y    Y   | 5
                            |                                    |
120GB Maxtor                |         N                   N      |    2
120GB Seagate ST3120026A    |         N       Y                  | 1  1
120GB WD      WD2500JB      |         N       Y                  | 1  1
                            |                                    |
160GB Maxtor  4R160L0     * |                      Y    Y        | 2
160GB Maxtor  6L160P0     * |    N    N       Y         Y    Y   | 3  2
160GB Maxtor  Quickview     |                 Y                  | 1
160GB Seagate ST3160022A ** |  Y    Y    Y    Y    Y    Y        | 5
160GB Seagate ST3160212A    |    N                      Y        | 1  1
160GB Seagate ST3160812A    |         N              N  Y        | 1  2
160GB Maxtor  STM3160815A   |         N                          |    1
200GB Seagate ST3200822A    |                           Y        | 1
                            |                                    |
250GB Maxtor                |         N                          |    1
250GB Maxtor  6L250R0     * |                 Y      N  Y    Y   | 3  1
250GB Maxtor  7Y250P0     * |                 Y         Y    Y   | 3
250GB Seagate ST3250823A  * |                 Y         Y    Y   | 3
250GB WD      WD2500BB      |         N       Y                  | 1  1
250GB WD      WD2500JB      |                 Y         Y    Y   | 3
300GB Maxtor  4A300J0OEM    |         N                          |    1
300GB Maxtor  6L300R0       |         N       Y                  | 1
320GB Seagate ST3320620A    |         N                          |    1
400GB Seagate ST3400832     |                           Y        | 1
                              ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
# of drives that do work:      3    3    1   11    3   13    6
# drives that don't work:       2   10    0    0    2    1    0

  * Factory specified for at least one model
 ** ACE suffix works across all models
While compiling the table a few interesting things came up.

ST325083A is not a valid ID, so references to that drive have been treated as ST3250823A. Whether a drive has an STM or ST prefix varies by build date, it is the rest of the model ID that matters.

Only the primary model ID is used in the summary even though the thread says the complete ID may be necessary for some replacements. ATA drives do not vary in hardware or microcode, suffixes are used when they are shipped with specific pre-configured characteristics e.g. Quickview drives are the same model number as DiamondMax drives with a suffix of QV e.g. 4R160L0-QV. The difference is operational mode, the QV is 'quiet'.

Hitachi's Feature Tool allows you to set many operational parameters so if a special suffix drive is required (as mentioned for the KX50) it may be feasible to turn on/off parameters and meet the requirements. To lower power usage, set AAM to the lowest value. FT is a generic utility which works on other manufacturer's drives as well. Update: Hitachi dropped AAM support in Rev 2.13 but fortunately, 2.11 is still available at other sites e.g. http://www.ddown.org/2008/08/05/ibm-...ture-tool-211/

Maxtor used to distribute SETAMC for acoustic management (it disappeared after the merger with Seagate). AMSET hushes DiamondMaxes to Quickview-like silence (complete info and a valid download url is at http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...83&postcount=9). Maxline II has many models e.g. 5A250J0, 7Y250J0 and the table uses 7Y250P0 because it is the only ID mentioned in the thread. Maxline II drives are the quietest and most reliable Maxtors as they were built for enterprise applications which configure dozens of drives in a single cabinet.
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I have a problem with tuning one channel on my XS-32 now. I have two of these units and they both have the same problem. Channel 4 comes in as kind of fuzzy. I know the channel ois ok as I have another brand VR that tunes it perfectly.

Before I consider taking it to the shop does anyone have any suggestions? I re tuned all the stations but channel 4 remains fuzzy and grainy.
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Dumb question, but have you changed coax cables? On my XS32, channel 3 is what I'd call sort of fuzzy. if I play around with the coax connection, it gets a bit better.

Nowadays I record most stuff to my XS32 from my Tivos (e.g. to watch at faster-than-realtime speed, or to save musical performances from talk shows).. but I do know it's channel 3 for me since channel 7 comes in fine.. but it does seem to be the wire for me.

ok, rereading, it happens on two of yours.. But still, switching around coax cables to see if there's _any_ difference would be useful.
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Dumb question, but have you changed coax cables? On my XS32, channel 3 is what I'd call sort of fuzzy. if I play around with the coax connection, it gets a bit better.

Nowadays I record most stuff to my XS32 from my Tivos (e.g. to watch at faster-than-realtime speed, or to save musical performances from talk shows).. but I do know it's channel 3 for me since channel 7 comes in fine.. but it does seem to be the wire for me.

ok, rereading, it happens on two of yours.. But still, switching around coax cables to see if there's _any_ difference would be useful.

I'll try that, but why would all the other channels work? I got a weird setup as I have 2 DVR's and the connection comes from one cable outlet in the wall. My cable box has outputs to my DVR L1 for direct digital recording and it is also split to go to the RF input and then threaded to my Pioneer DVR. My TV has only one video iput so all my other sources are routed into my receiver and then from one output there to my TV. I have an old tube TV. My other Toshiba DVR has the RF threaded from my second DVR so the RF's are on a continuous thread from Toshiba 1 to Pioneer to Toshiba 2. Weird but it has worked so far and now channel 4 (which I seldom record ) is fuzzy with a high pitched whine. Funny it doesn't happen on the Pioneer though. Me thinks it is a coincidence and the tuners on my Toshiba's are acting up.

News flash my channel 4 cleared up by itself!
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Hi all, i'm not able to install my 160GB Seagate ST3160022A on my XS32.


If anybody what to buy it.... I will sell them.

;-( 70$+10shipping. It's brand new. Never been used except when I have tried to install it! ;-( It's the price I got them.
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Well, I have tried many thing without success... I sell my HD seagate 160go

If anyone is interested, is brand new.
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(start of post editted).....

The table below summarizes the info on which drives work in which units.

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                            | KX50 XS32 XS34 XS35 XS52 XS54 XS55 | Y  N
                            | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | -  -
 80GB Maxtor  4R080L0     * |  Y    Y              Y    Y        | 4
 80GB Seagate ST380012A  ** |  Y    Y         Y         Y    Y   | 5
                            |                                    |
120GB Maxtor                |         N                   N      |    2
120GB Seagate ST3120026A    |         N       Y                  | 1  1
120GB WD      WD2500JB      |         N       Y                  | 1  1
                            |                                    |
160GB Maxtor  4R160L0     * |                      Y    Y        | 2
160GB Maxtor  6L160P0     * |    N    N       Y         Y    Y   | 3  2
160GB Maxtor  Quickview     |                 Y                  | 1
160GB Seagate ST3160022A ** |  Y    Y    Y         Y    Y        | 5
160GB Seagate ST3160212A    |    N                      Y        | 1  1
160GB Seagate ST3160812A    |         N              N  Y        | 1  2
160GB Maxtor  STM3160815A   |         N                          |    1
200GB Seagate ST3200822A    |                           Y        | 1
                            |                                    |
250GB Maxtor                |         N                          |    1
250GB Maxtor  6L250R0     * |                 Y      N  Y    Y   | 3  1
250GB Maxtor  7Y250P0     * |                 Y         Y    Y   | 3
250GB Seagate ST3250823A  * |                 Y         Y    Y   | 3
250GB WD      WD2500BB      |         N       Y                  | 1  1
250GB WD      WD2500JB      |                 Y         Y    Y   | 3
300GB Maxtor  4A300J0OEM    |         N                          |    1
300GB Maxtor  6L300R0       |         N       Y                  | 1
320GB Seagate ST3320620A    |         N                          |    1
400GB Seagate ST3400832     |                           Y        | 1
                              ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---
# of drives that do work:      3    3    1   11    3   13    6
# drives that don't work:       2   10    0    0    2    1    0

  * Factory specified for at least one model
 ** Works across all models
(end of post editted)

sydyen,
I own a Toshiba XS34 and per the suggestions mentioned earlier in this thread by Rickc5 (see posts #303 through #304) I was advised that HD Maxtor 4R160L0 should work with an XS34. I have already purchased this HD as a back-up.

Per your chart 4R160LO does NOT work with an XS-34. Is this correct? Did I waste my money?
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This line seems wrong:
80GB Seagate ST380012A ** | Y Y Y Y Y | 5

since it obviously isn't all models (I presume you mean that just means Y across the whole row). Also, I could swear this is the drive I bought when my orig drive corrupted a few years ago -- and it didn't work for me.. Unless there's a different "ST380012A.." variant.. i.e. other than the 380012ACE, which is what's stock.
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> I own a Toshiba XS34 and per the suggestions mentioned earlier in
> this thread by Rickc5 (see posts #303 through #304) I was advised
> that HD Maxtor 4R160L0 should work with an XS34. I have already
> purchased this HD as a back-up.

The Y and N in the table reflects actual experience reported in the HDD replacement threads as what had been installed successfully and unsuccessfully.

> Per your chart 4R160LO does NOT work with an XS-34. Is this
> correct? Did I waste my money?

That's not what the chart says. The absence of Y or N means nobody has written about it so until someone tries it, we don't know. The experience on XS34 is minimal, the only replacement reported used the same drive as the factory. Being identified as a factory drive is not conclusive because the replacement info is model-specific e.g. 6L160P0 does not work on KX50 and XS32.

> since it obviously isn't all models (I presume you mean that just
> means Y across the whole row).

** means the drive is factory specified on all models, but the whole row does not have Y's because only replacements reported as successful in the thread(s) get a Y.

> Also, I could swear this is the
> drive I bought when my orig drive corrupted a few years ago -- and
> it didn't work for me.. Unless there's a different "ST380012A.."
> variant.. i.e. other than the 380012ACE, which is what's stock.

There are multiple variants of the ST380012A, the 'ACE' is the one Toshiba used.

| Only the primary model ID is used in the summary even though the
| thread says the complete ID may be necessary for some replacements.
| ATA drives do not vary in hardware or microcode, suffixes are used
| when they are shipped with specific pre-configured characteristics

The XS32 is so unfriendly to replacements there is no way I would try anything except an ACE (ElricX wrote that he could not make an A work in his XS32). OTOH, the XS35 is so friendly, I wager that any ATA drive of 80GB or larger capacity would work.
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That's kind of ironic, since from what I've read here, from a user's point of view, some of the things about the XS35 are _less_ friendly to the end user... e.g. removing chapter mark from the outside of the remote, removing some of the software features (e.g. "end time" for a recording you start by hitting the record button).
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> Per your chart 4R160LO does NOT work with an XS-34. Is this
> correct? Did I waste my money?

That's not what the chart says. The absence of Y or N means nobody has written about it so until someone tries it, we don't know. The experience on XS34 is minimal, the only replacement reported used the same drive as the factory. Being identified as a factory drive is not conclusive because the replacement info is model-specific e.g. 6L160P0 does not work on KX50 and XS32.......
The XS32 is so unfriendly to replacements there is no way I would try anything except an ACE (ElricX wrote that he could not make an A work in his XS32). OTOH, the XS35 is so friendly, I wager that any ATA drive of 80GB
or larger capacity would work.

Thanks sydyen for the updates. I posted too quick and did not take the time to interpret the chart correctly. I guess there is still a chance my XS34 will work with the drive I purchased, though if it is anything like a XS32 it sounds not likely.

Might be a dumb question but what do the numbers mean? Is the 1st number (3 or 5) a "generation" and the last number HD size (guess is 2 = 80 GB, 4 = 160?)
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Thanks sydyen for the updates. I posted too quick and did not take the time to interpret the chart correctly. I guess there is still a chance my XS34 will work with the drive I purchased, though if it is anything like a XS32 it sounds not likely.

Might be a dumb question but what do the numbers mean? Is the 1st number (3 or 5) a "generation" and the last number HD size (guess is 2 = 80 GB, 4 = 160?)

I have an XS-55. For a while I had an external drive rack hooked up to it which allowed me to swap out hard drives using swappable drive trays. I used many hard drives with it. Everything from Western Digital to Maxtor to Seagate to generic. From 160 GB to 320 GB. The 320 GB would only format to 250 GB. Very rarely did I have a problem.

At the same time I also had the XS-54 also with an external drive rack installed. I could swap the hard drives between the 55 and the 54 and exchange content between recorders.

I mention this because your XS-34 is of the same family of recorders. The XS-34 internally is very similar to the XS-54. My guess is that your XS-34 is going to be very hard drive tolerant. As tolerant as the XS-54. So in my opinion you should be fine with that hard drive.
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I have an XS-55.....

I could swap the hard drives between the 55 and the 54 and exchange content between recorders.

I mention this because your XS-34 is of the same family of recorders. The XS-34 internally is very similar to the XS-54. My guess is that your XS-34 is going to be very hard drive tolerant. As tolerant as the XS-54. So in my opinion you should be fine with that hard drive.

Thanks for the info. I am hoping that is the case as I am very happy with my Toshiba and seeing as they no longer are in the business of HD Recorders I want to make it last as long as I can.

What about replacements for the DVD Drive for an XS-34? (Apologies for drifting off topic - maybe a link to info on this?).
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I hope someone can give me some help. I installed a 160 gb in my '32 about a year or two ago and today when I wanted to go the content menu I got an on screen message saying that it was empty. (The hdd) I tried disconnecting it from the power source and reconnecting it and this time it says that the data has been corrupted, format the disc. I tried to see if there was anything on the drive at all by pushing the library button and it did list all of the programs still on the hdd. I just can't access them.
Something else. I tried the disc drive with a couple of movies, pre-recorded, and one of them gave the dreaded "disc may be physically damaged, replace" message.
Can I just hold down the start button for a few seconds and fix everything! Or do I reformat the hdd and lose all of my recorded content. And then replace the disc drive...again!
HELP!
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Format the drive and you'll be good as new. That's all you can do!

Believe me I've had a LOT of experience with this!

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Yeah, yeah. I was hoping against hope that wouldn't be the case!!
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I really really hope someone figures out the filesystem structure for these things some day. I'll keep an image of my corrupted drive around to recover at some point.
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Can somebody clarify the situation with the 160 GB Seagate ST3160022ACE drives? Is there a computer version and a DVD version? Is the DVD version the one we are looking for? Will a drive pulled from a TIVO DVD be guaranteed to work on our RD-XS recorders?

Somebody a few posts back said his ST3160022ACE didn't work on his RD-XS32 so I wonder if there are different versions. From the gist of this thread, I got the idea that the computer versions of all HDDs will work in our RD-XSs.

Also would a unit pulled from a DVD recorder be flashed with some sort of firmware which won't allow it to work with our recorders?
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I'm looking for advice on my no-longer-working Toshiba KX-50. I have really only been using it for an upconverting DVD player for the past few years on the family room TV (I know it was wasting a resource, but TivoHD appeared...).

There are lights on the front panel, but it appears to not want to 'shift' to the DVD mode - nor open or close the drive. Is this a symptom of a failed DVD drive? Any hope for repair / replacement? I need some encouragement and advice on the current replacement recommendation.

The fall-back is a Wal-Mart Polaroid that had been purchased as insurance. It's working for the Grandkid's DVD's, and I'm planning to try to try a dump from the TiVoHD via component to the HDD and/or DVD recorder. Will it save the Miley Cyrus & Jonas Bros videos for use on their iPods?

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The XS32 is so unfriendly to replacements there is no way I would try anything except an ACE

I can report that the 4R160L0 works fine in the XS32 (table is blank). I bought two recently, one fitted, second now listed on fleabay.
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Search "SW-9574-E Panasonic DVD-RAM drive for Toshiba RD-XS54" on ebay.

This is an OEM replacement for the optical drive on an XS54. Should work fine with the XS34.

$49.99 with free shipping. Seller had three but the total is now down to two.
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The RD-XS34 uses a SW-9573-E only. It will not accept the SW-9574-E. The RD-XS54 will work with both versions, however.
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Being the RD-XS34 and RD-XS54 use the desktop computer-type DVD burner, I'd presume something like the LG GSA-4167B would work OK (with the usual limitations of course), if you can't get your hands on an OEM burner. I'd try this myself just to see but my RD-XS54 is in the states.
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Dont know if this HDD has been reported on, but I just tried a Seagate 160gb model ST3160815A on a XS34. Did NOT work. Got the 7034. Cant just keep going and buying/trying out HDD's, so I guess I'm %*$& out of luck. I'll just use the DVD Ram recorder and suffer with the limited capacity of it. Until somebody can find a miracle supply of CURRENTLY available harddrives that will work.
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Manufacturers have to sell repair parts for their products.

It would be interesting to see what Toshiba would say if you wanted to buy a replacement hard drive.

I think, however, the die is cast and only identical drives will work. All you can do is troll eBay and hope you find one. Or buy another used XS on eBay for the HDD.
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Dont know if this HDD has been reported on, but I just tried a Seagate 160gb model ST3160815A on a XS34. Did NOT work. Got the 7034. Cant just keep going and buying/trying out HDD's, so I guess I'm %*$& out of luck. I'll just use the DVD Ram recorder and suffer with the limited capacity of it. Until somebody can find a miracle supply of CURRENTLY available harddrives that will work.

I don't think it's hard to still find 160 GB ST3160022As on Ebay, for around $19-$30 each. The market was flooded with them around 2-3 months ago because some supplier dumped a whole bunch of drives pulled from DVRs. They were advertised as either new, used, or pulls, depending on who sold them. One vendor even had a 3-year warrantee, since he kept an adequate stock of replacements. You could buy lots of 5 drives for $120. This drive has a 99.99% chance of working with an RD-XS34/54. I know they work with an RD-XS32, RD-XS35, and RD-XS52.

The Maxtor 4R160L0 and 6L160P0 are also available on Ebay from time to time (used) and many Toshiba recorders work with them.

The DVR drives work fine, of course, for HDD recorder applications. They won't work on PCs except as data drives since the boot sector is altered so they won't post an OS. That's why they were sold for dirt cheap.
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Manufacturers have to sell repair parts for their products.

It would be interesting to see what Toshiba would say if you wanted to buy a replacement hard drive.

They'll probably try to charge $400 or whatever, like the ridiculous price for the DVD burner replacement.
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