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Sorry, I should have read your posting better... you use cable. Is it digital cable?
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You are hereby named the "AVSFORUM SUPER-GURU!

After trying every possible cable setup I could think of, that procedure in the STB worked!

(The setting names are different - guessing difference between 6XXX and my 3XXX box) but these TWO things worked

Under STB Setup - audio options: Mono-Stereo-TV Speakers option; choosing TV Speakers sends normal volume level to EZ47, either through RF or Input Terminals.

If choose Stereo in above option, it gives more options, including compression. Compression Off-light-heavy setting increases volume to EZ47: Off = minimum volume (where I was to begin with) Light = better (increased) volume Heavy = maximum volume.

This Heavy Compression setting gives "normal" volume to TV watching or DVD recording, when fed from the STB through either RF or Input terminals.

Really appreciate your suggestions (especially this one that did the trick!) My hands can now rest from trying every possible cable connection. Wish that Panasonic had put either co-ax or optical audio in jacks on the EZ47 so we could send 5.1 to it from a STB but maybe in my next recorder?

Thanks again for your help!

Sorry. Again, I should have read everything before replying...
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Alzy and Ray50 (Mike): Panasonics tend to have a problem with under-rated power supplies and heat sink issues, like the E85H did. What did you use for a heat sink (was it sized to the LSI chip?), as I'd like to perform this preventative step on my EZ47. Thanks!

Also, ray50 (mike)...did you solve your audio coax/optical problem? The only way I know to convert is to buy a box which needs to be powered (it's not just an adaptor, it has its own power supply) like the CO2 by M-audio. I use this with my computer sound card and turntable. The turntable had a coax out, the sound card an optical (toslink) input, but the CO2 works in both directions.
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PghCoyote - I just used a scrap piece of heat sink I got a work. It was the size of the LSI chip. I have pictures, I will figure out how to post them here.

As for the optical problem, I removed the optical cable from my HDTV out and used it on the EZ47K. This means that my HDTV only has stereo out to the surrond system.
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Mike,
Thanks so much for the information and the pictures! That's REALLY helpfull!!
One other thing...what did you use as an adhesive? Something like Arctic Silver which you'd use for a computer CPU heat sink? Any opinions on adhesives for this purpose? Thanks again for the fast response! This seems like the only potential flaw in this unit, other than the ones that didn't work in the first place...
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I am having a couple issues with EZ47VK and Panasonic has replied with a firmware update is being mailed to me (7 to 10 business days), but thought I would see if anyone else was seeing similar [behavior] or would like to comment.

1) Tuning...This may be normal operation, and is becoming less noticable to me - I get 1 to 2 seconds of black everytime I change channels when just channel surfing. Auto-program takes between 12 and 15 minutes to complete. Also, the unit has had occasional lockups when changing channels - each time it requires a power cycle. Lastly, the unit appears to tune the "On Demand" channels - which usually isn't a big deal, but you never know if you are going to see that someone has ordered Curious George or Hardcore Porn. (not something you want to be surprised by with children in the room )

2) DVD playback... Out of 6 DVD+R DL DVDs (all backups of movies) only one is recognized by this player. All the disks play fine in my other DVD players (Phillips, Samsung, and Zenith). The 47's Display will show in 2 peices: Unsup port. I have had no trouble playing DivX shows recorded to DVD+R DL from the same spool of disks (Verbatum)

Has anyone else run into these or similar issues / solutions?
On Pansonic supports reccomendation I have already swapped out my original unit with a new replacement from the same store (Circuit City) -- So the issue is not specific to a single defective player.

I would appreciate any insight that anyone wants to offer.

I have a problematic DMR-EZ47 as well. Auto Tuning for me took 15+ minutes but never completed. The unit is set to INPUT 1 by default yet 95% the time I need to channel up to INPUT2 and channel back to INPUT1 where it was in the first place in order to play the TV through the EZ47. This causes many timer recordings of static and is very annoying.

I cannot play Divx or anything on memory stick. DVD+RW's recorded on a 2 year old Sony DVD recorder will not play on this unit. DVD+R's I have made on the PC play on my old Sony but not the EZ47. It is a very finicky machine and I wish I had taken it back for another brand at BB when I had the chance.

If commands are entered by the remote too quickly the unit locks up and needs a power cycle to free up again. It locks up far too often IMO. I believe I have a lemon and need new firmware. How did you go about getting a firmware upgrade?
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Anybody?


Here is my question...I don't have an antenna yet for OTA signals. When I tape the SD from my cable box it looks very good. However, when I put an HD channel on through the cable box, I can not get the image to fill the screen. I have played with the different settings in the screen menu and tried 16:9 480i, 16:9 480p, both with letterbox and pan & scan modes and the best I can get is a great picture with grey bars on the top and bottom. Any help on figuring out how to see and tape to disc the entire HD picture, using the cable box connected by a svideo cable, would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks

essentially the same question for me.
i just picked up what may be the current model.
dmr ez47v

the trouble i'm having is i'm trying to watch(then record) from comcast moto dvr 6412 older model.
i can get the thing to be fine length wise but i cant get it to stretch the top and bottom to go all the way up or down.

looks squished.

i've tried every setting and combo of hdmi, s-vid to composite connections to no avail.

this is just doing pass through, not using the tuner.

i cant get the channels i need to record, using the tuner.
these channels being the dig hd channels such as tbs hd and comcast philly hd.

i know i cannot get actual hd i just want the wide screen version and not the standard(full) analog channels broadcast.

and i want the wide screen video broadcast to fill the screen(height) and not have a squish from the top to bottom.
looks short and fat. thats what i dont want to see.
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The DMR-EZ47K, EZ47V, and EZ47VK are all the same model (the box says DMR-EZ47V). Different retailers (and even the Panasonic website, which uses "VK") use different letters. The "K" means it's black, and (I've never seen this one) "S" instead of K means it's silver.

I received my unit today, and had no problems setting it up and testing it out (with a big box fan blowing on the open unit). I'm just waiting for a heatsink and better fan to arrive. Loved it otherwise, commands being very similar to my Panny E85H.

I didn't try passing through any signals besides the RF coax cable TV (no box), so I can't comment on that. I don't get any HiDef channels, just some digital standard def and widescreen and 4:3 verisons of FOX, so maybe the unit has an issue with converting true HiDef to SD. Sorry I can't help!

whotony: what happens when you manually type in the channel for TBS HD? Does it display anything? Panny is a bit odd in that it uses a dash instead of a dot for the digital channels.
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i dont know what the number is for tbs hd.

normal is 220 but all the dig hd channels are 116-1 or something similar
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essentially the same question for me.
i just picked up what may be the current model.
dmr ez47v

the trouble i'm having is i'm trying to watch(then record) from comcast moto dvr 6412 older model.
i can get the thing to be fine length wise but i cant get it to stretch the top and bottom to go all the way up or down.

looks squished.

i've tried every setting and combo of hdmi, s-vid to composite connections to no avail.

this is just doing pass through, not using the tuner.

i cant get the channels i need to record, using the tuner.
these channels being the dig hd channels such as tbs hd and comcast philly hd.

i know i cannot get actual hd i just want the wide screen version and not the standard(full) analog channels broadcast.

and i want the wide screen video broadcast to fill the screen(height) and not have a squish from the top to bottom.
looks short and fat. thats what i dont want to see.

The problem with the letterboxed images from your 6412 is that the 6412 letterboxes widescreen content when using the svideo or composite output. This is a common problem with cableco STBs. There is no setting on the EZ47 to compensate for this. Nor is there a setting on the 6412 which will send a non letterboxed (full widescreem image) out via svideo or composite.
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I'm confused about something here. I thought this recorder will record 16X9 format on DVD RAM discs. How exactly? I have a Motorola DCT 3412. Can I record in 16X9 off of my DVR onto DVD RAM only? I apologize that this has been discussed before but I just don't quite understand it. I'm about to return a Sony RDR-VX555 because it won't record in wide screen. I have a Sony 502020 TV. I've read all about the advantages of having component inputs but that's impossible to find. Nextoo, does DVD RAM somehow provide a widescreen solution? Can someone please clarify? Thanks.
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Actually no. Not on the recording side of the equation. All the Panasonic does with DVD-Ram is provide the widesreen flag which allows for proper playback on a 4:3 display. The recording is flagged as 16x9 and when played back on a 4:3 TV electronic letterboxing is introduced by the television (or playback device). It has no impact on how the recording is played back on a 16x9 display.

The recorder itself will only record what the source is sending it. If the source is introducing artificial letterboxing the recorder will record the letterboxing - regardless of DVD recorder brand or model. The letterboxing is part of the image. No DVD recorder has the ability to change a 4:3 image that is being sent to it to 16x9. The horses have already left the barn the second the image leaves the STB (source) as 4:3 and proceeds down that svideo cable to the DVD recorder..
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Nextoo, thank you very much for clearing that up for me. I guess there is no current model on the market that does what I want it to do. I don't really want to go through ebay.
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Nextoo, thank you very much for clearing that up for me. I guess there is no current model on the market that does what I want it to do. I don't really want to go through ebay.

If you mean with component inputs no there are no new ones. There are some refurbished Polaroid 2001G's that have component inputs and a HDD floating around for around $100.

But even as important you have to know if your STB can even do 480i widescreen. There are reports that the Moto 6412 cannot for example. I do not know the capabilities of your STB.
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There is also this:

http://www.svideo.com/appletv2tv.html

It is designed to convert the component out of an Apple TV to s-video. It can also be used to convert the component output of your STB to s-video. Which will allow you to get widescreen from your STB to your DVD recorder's s-video inputs.

I have one and it works pretty good.

But again - it has to be at 480i. Your STB must be able to do 480i widescreen over component.
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Thanks. There is a 4:3 overide setting for 480i in the STB service menu. That's the default setting. I'm not sure if this does the trick or not.
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PghCoyote- Yes Arctic Silver for the LSI heat sink. Still working great! I have several DVD-Ram disk started. One for Heros, one for Gray's, one for The Practice etc.. When I get 3 or 4 files on the DVD-Ram I will load them into my Laptop, edit them and burn them. No more buying Seasons of TV shows.
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Ray50: Thanks again for your pictures and your response. I'm just waiting on a "better" 70mmx15mm fan I ordered and will replace that and put in the heat sink at the same time. The spec sheets online for the original fan show a failure rate of **10%**?! How can that be? Hardly six sigma. They don't have the exact fan listed in the table (it's 2806RL-09W-B19) but it's the same series.

http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/...s/i/2806rl.pdf

Regarding your archiving of TV shows...
Wow, editing and burning to a DVD-R is MUCH easier to do with a HDD unit (would not need to transfer to your laptop first), but since there are so few on the market right now, this is the best option except for maybe using your desktop HDD and bypassing a standalone unit altogether. My Panny E85H would be perfect for what you're doing. Perhaps when affordable HiDef HDD units come along...
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Nextoo, which do you think is a better setup? Keeping the Sony RDR-VX555 and adding the Apple tv adaptor or getting a refurbished Polaroid 2001G off of Ebay. The Polaroid is obviously a much cheaper way to go.
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Ray50: Thanks again for your pictures and your response. I'm just waiting on a "better" 70mmx15mm fan I ordered and will replace that and put in the heat sink at the same time. The spec sheets online for the original fan show a failure rate of **10%**?! How can that be? Hardly six sigma. They don't have the exact fan listed in the table (it's 2806RL-09W-B19) but it's the same series.

http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/...s/i/2806rl.pdf

If I read that right, it's 10% failure rate for 60,000 hours. 60K hours is almost 7 years, running continuously.

Someone needs to make a "mod kit" for this unit.
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tatanka: Thanks for pointing that out...sounds much less ominous, actually quite good, as most ball-bearing fans (not sleeve or other types) are rated for 50 to 60K hours of life. Great idea about the mod kit I wonder what the airflow is at the speed at which it runs in the Panny. I haven't pulled out my voltmeter, but I am sure it's not very high to reduce noise. Odd that Panasonic engineers opted to go for quashing potential immediate customer complaints about fan noise and price than long-term complaints regarding reliablilty. Or, maybe not that odd...

I just wish there was more room in the case for a larger fan. The "leg" on the PCB for the HDMI port and height of the case precludes anything larger than the 70mm x 15mm fan they have in there. Out of curiosity, one of these days I'm going to crack open my E85H and see what fan(s)/heatsinks they used in there.

If you don't have a spare heatsink lying around to chop up with a hacksaw, the one I'm putting in my Panny is a Wakefield 658-60AB. It looks to be about the best performer, and fits the LSI chip without gross overhang. Just opt for Arctic Silver adhesive instead of thermal tape to attach it. At $1.33 from Mouser, the shipping will be several times what the sink itself is.

The Wakefield line of heatsinks and specs can be viewed here:
http://www.wakefield.com/pdf/BGA%20Catalog.pdf

At least there's plenty of headroom above the LSI chip to allow for a tall heatsink, unlike the LSI chip in the XBox 360, where vertical space is limited. There, it is blocked by the DVD unit over it, and they also ran the fan at a reduced speed to cut back on noise. Same end result as the Panny, though, and the Xbox HAS a heatsink, although undersized.

I'm not a thermodynamics engineer, so any corrections or comments are welcome.
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I have a SMR-EZ475 that I got from Costco. I love the unit except for one issue. I record Digital OTA to DVD-Ram disks. I've been taping the new shows this fall and the audio sounds fine on the live feed but when I play back the recording, the sound is ok for the commercials but there are no vocals on the program, just background music. I know it must be related to the Dolby 5.1 audio but no matter what setting I put the audio on in setup, the sound comes out like that. I'm using RCA connectors for the audio, don't have an HDTV to use the HDMI cable yet. Even tried running the rca output to my surround sound system and still don't get vocals. Any ideas?
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Try turning Virtual Surround Sound (VSS) OFF.

Not sure if existing recordings will be any diff. but future ones should be OK?

I think Panasonic has a FW upgrade to fix the problem?


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tatanka: Thanks for pointing that out...sounds much less ominous, actually quite good, as most ball-bearing fans (not sleeve or other types) are rated for 50 to 60K hours of life. Great idea about the mod kit I wonder what the airflow is at the speed at which it runs in the Panny. I haven't pulled out my voltmeter, but I am sure it's not very high to reduce noise. Odd that Panasonic engineers opted to go for quashing potential immediate customer complaints about fan noise and price than long-term complaints regarding reliablilty. Or, maybe not that odd...

I just wish there was more room in the case for a larger fan. The "leg" on the PCB for the HDMI port and height of the case precludes anything larger than the 70mm x 15mm fan they have in there. Out of curiosity, one of these days I'm going to crack open my E85H and see what fan(s)/heatsinks they used in there.

If you don't have a spare heatsink lying around to chop up with a hacksaw, the one I'm putting in my Panny is a Wakefield 658-60AB. It looks to be about the best performer, and fits the LSI chip without gross overhang. Just opt for Arctic Silver adhesive instead of thermal tape to attach it. At $1.33 from Mouser, the shipping will be several times what the sink itself is.

The Wakefield line of heatsinks and specs can be viewed here:
http://www.wakefield.com/pdf/BGA%20Catalog.pdf

At least there's plenty of headroom above the LSI chip to allow for a tall heatsink, unlike the LSI chip in the XBox 360, where vertical space is limited. There, it is blocked by the DVD unit over it, and they also ran the fan at a reduced speed to cut back on noise. Same end result as the Panny, though, and the Xbox HAS a heatsink, although undersized.

I'm not a thermodynamics engineer, so any corrections or comments are welcome.

Thanks for the comments, PghCoyote (and for sharing what you're up to!).

I wish I had read all this before I put my '47 in the rack. I take it you're replacing the factory fan with something a bit better? I'll have to scrounge the junque box at work for a heatsink and if nothing turns up, it'll be on the next Mouser order.

So far (knock on wood), no problems. The unit itself doesn't appear to run hot and I've given it a pretty good workout, including an all-day marathon recording The War off PBS. A few operational issues I would have done differently, but all in all, I'm really pleased.
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Well, a fan that I *think* is better and will pull a bit more air at whatever voltage they're running it at. It would be nice to whip up something to step up the voltage they're using mount it externally to run the fan at a higher/variable speed, but I don't have the schematic, so I don't know if they're running it at a constant voltage or are using a sensor (see next paragraph). Should be OK with the heat sink. I figure the fan can't be any worse if it's still a ball bearing fan, and it will be good to have the original as a spare. I just hope if I ever need it, I realize that the fan has died, but since the unit is in my bedroom, I can usually hear it if the unit is recording while I'm in bed and I'm not watching TV.


UPDATE:
Um, I think I'll keep the original fan in there for now. I just came across the website for the company that made the original fan (Minebea Co.), and it helpfully lists their part numbering scheme (reminds me of memory chips!):
http://www.eminebea.com/content/html...ion_DCAx.shtml
As you can see, with a part number of 2806RL-09W-B19, the Panny fan has a "Custom voltage" rating (09), which is 7V according to the fan casing. This isn't a standard voltage that the company produces, thus the "custom." It also a 9 at the end, meaning it's a "sensor type." I'm assuming this means that it runs on variable voltage based on case temperature? I'll either have to get the schematic or look for a sensor near the video board. What disturbs me is the "1" before the final 9, meaning it's the lowest speed fan possible. I'd love to use a higher-speed fan (could live with more noise for more CFM), but unless I put in another modification, I'd still be running a 12V fan at 7V max, thus the same fan speed, I presume (right/wrong?).
Does anyone have any suggestions or input? I realize this is made more difficult without a schematic for the unit, but thought I'd ask anyway. At this point, I'm thinking the OEM fan will be sufficient in combination with the heat sink. Agree/disagree? Thanks!!
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Hi gang........new member here. Looks like alot of great info here. Got a quick question maybe you all can help with. (Betting you can.) Have the comcast cable from the wall to a splitter then directly to my panny EZ47V with no STB and the panny hooked to HDTV directly with HDMI. Also off the split have cable directly to HDTV without STB. Have digital optical out from the HDTV to my receiver for audio. Watching the HDTV I get DD 5.1 on my receiver while watching TV programs brodcast with DD. When watching a DVD on the panny, I only get Pro Logic thru the receiver. Any thoughts? Is the audio passing thru the TV causing me to lose DD? Doesn't make sense to me since I get DD while watching HDTV.

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Welcome, Zipit! First off, a question: The way I am reading your post, I understand that you get Dolby Digital on your receiver when watching TV, which is the RF coax input directly from the splitter. I am presuming that you do NOT get DD (only Pro Logic) when watching TV "through" the Panny, in addition to watching DVDs.

There may be a setup option on your HDTV (not the Panasonic) regarding how audio from the HDMI port is handled. I know that on my Sharp HDTV, one of the HDMI inputs has a selection to either use the HDMI digital audio or the analog RCA jack input when viewing a video signal via the HDMI input. Check your TV's menu options regarding the HDMI inputs and/or the optical output.

If this isn't the problem, you can always run another optical cable directly from the Panasonic unit to your receiver, provided you have another optical inupt on your receiver as you're already using one from the TV to the receiver. If you do this, just make sure you set the Panasonic correctly in two places, in the Audio menu under Digital Audio Output (select bitstream for the options) and the TV Screen menu under HDMI Audio Output (change to "off").

I'm really suspecting that with your current setup, there is an option that is not set correctly on your HDTV. Hope this helps! Let us know how you fare
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I wanted to use the Viewsonic VX2235wm ()
as the video monitor, since it had a DVI input. I connected the HDMI AV/OUT of the panny to the VX2235's DVI input using a HDMI/DVI adapter. The Panny says "HDMI" on the panel, (which as per the manual, means it found a HDAVI complaint device on its HDMI out), but the monitor does not display any signal. The monitor keeps turning on and off without displaying any signal. I called the Viewsonic help and they said it will only work as a computer monitor. There is also some verbage in the Panny's manual that using DVI/HDMI adapter may not show the video. I am really confused about the whole DVI is backwards compatible with HDMI.

Are there any other options for me to get the video on the monitor. Will Component to VGA work ? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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I wanted to use the Viewsonic VX2235wm ()
as the video monitor, since it had a DVI input. I connected the HDMI AV/OUT of the panny to the VX2235's DVI input using a HDMI/DVI adapter. The Panny says "HDMI" on the panel, (which as per the manual, means it found a HDCP complaint device on its HDMI out), but the monitor does not display any signal. The monitor keeps turning on and off without displaying any signal. I called the Viewsonic help and they said it will only work with computer monitor. There is also some verbage in the Panny's manual that using DVI/HDMI adapter may not show the video. I am really confused about the whole DVI is backwards compatible with HDMI.

Are there any other options for me to get the video on the monitor. Will Component to VGA work ? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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DVI is not necessarily compatible with an HDMI output using a converter. HDCP (copy-protection) is part of the HDMI spec. Every HDMI input-output is HDCP compliant. HDCP is not part of the DVI spec (which is a very real reason they moved to supplant DVI with HDMI fairly quickly). PC's with DVI out do not encumber their systems with HDCP. So there is no reason for a PC monitor with DVI to support HDCP. Some do, many do not. Sounds like you have one of the "do nots".

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DVI is not necessarily compatible with an HDMI output using a converter. HDCP (copy-protection) is part of the HDMI spec. Every HDMI input-output is HDCP compliant. HDCP is not part of the DVI spec (which is a very real reason they moved to supplant DVI with HDMI fairly quickly). PC's with DVI out do not encumber their systems with HDCP. So there is no reason for a PC monitor with DVI to support HDCP. Some do, many do not. Sounds like you have one of the "do nots".

Thanks for your answer. I was also thinking on the similar lines on HDCP. makes sense. One thing though, the panny manual (page 90) lists an error code "U76 HDMI cannot output because you are connected to a model that does not support copyright protection", which I am not seeing. I am not sure if the "model" referred to is the panny or the other device (i.e monitor)
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