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post #9091 of 25863 Old 04-30-2010, 10:47 AM - Thread Starter
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Speaking of component inputs & such...

Does a commercial stand-alone device exist that converts a component signal into a digital channel freq. that could be recognized & tuned by the 2160's antenna input? May be a stoopid question but I'm curious.

They have lots of cheap "RF Modulators" that take a Composite YWR or S-Video line connection and convert that to RF, but I think any that can convert to Component RGB are quite expensive.
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Sorry, my mistake, I should have written "Target" instead of Amazon.

That "new model" message is now gone on the 2160 page, prob. cuz they now have a real product page for the MDR513H.


I'll wait. If it has DVD-RAM support you can expect me to be on the list of buyers. Life is Good. Oops, wrong company.
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Besides the larger HDD, there might be Component Input, which would be a big deal! Maybe a few other things in our Wish List. if true!?

No Component Input.
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Shoot, they're even removing s-video inputs from recorders now (so people don't get too good of a recording), and they've been trying like the devil for years to get rid of hi-rez component-in on TV's, too.

You're about as likely to see component inputs on a DVD recorder again as you are a non-copyright-crippled, standalone, affordable, Blu-ray recorder.
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And no cable card or HD either I'm sure. Sounds like all they did was update the look maybe and slap in a bigger drive that is under the 500 gig limit, which will probably be the next big update.
So if your cable company is still in the clear or you use OTA only at least you get quite a bit more time on the drive, hopefully for not a lot more money.
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Magnavox MDR513H with 320GB HDD

The new Magnavox MDR513H will be available about Jun 1 and will have some enhancements compared to the predecessor Mag H2160.

Some preliminary info... details to come:
  1. 320GB HDD. (An item in our Wish List.)

  2. Basically same op system as 2160.
More coming soon.


Exciting news! We'll have to do a side by side to see if some who need more drive space might still be better off getting a refurb and adding a 500 GB drive for an extra $50. Specs I saw on Target said

* Features: DVD Recorder
* Disc Capacity: 1
* Digital Tuner: Yes
* Vertical Resolution: Does Not Apply
* Visual Playback File Format: JPEG
* Audio Features: Does Not Apply
* HD Compatibility: ATSC/NTSC
* Wired Connectivity: HDMI
* Input Type: Radio Frequency (RF), S-Video, Analog Audio
* Output Type: Analog L/R Audio, HDMI, Optical Digital Audio, S-Video
* Component Video Inputs: 1
* Composite Video Inputs: 1
* Includes: A/V Cable
* Dimensions: Length: 11.5 "; Width: 16.6 "; Depth: 2.4 "
* Product Weight: 7.5 Lb.
* Warranty Description: 1 Year Limited Manufacturer Warranty

Don't the 2160s have component OUTput not INput? Think that's just an error in the preliminary spec sheet?

Regardless, at least we still have S-Video It's very nice to know that they're still supporting the concept and will continue to produce these for the foreseeable future. Kudos and thanks to the folks at Funai !
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Quick note on a H2160MW9A... I purchased one for $227 a few days before the price rollback to $198 on Walmart.com. I received it on Wednesday, one day before the price rollback on Thursday. I just received an e-mail from Walmart.com informing me that they were crediting my payment method for the differential.

Walmart takes a lot of hits, but this is exceptional customer service.
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Exciting news! We'll have to do a side by side to see if some who need more drive space might still be better off getting a refurb and adding a 500 GB drive for an extra $50. Specs I saw on Target said

* Features: DVD Recorder
* Disc Capacity: 1
* Digital Tuner: Yes
* Vertical Resolution: Does Not Apply
* Visual Playback File Format: JPEG
* Audio Features: Does Not Apply
* HD Compatibility: ATSC/NTSC
* Wired Connectivity: HDMI
* Input Type: Radio Frequency (RF), S-Video, Analog Audio
* Output Type: Analog L/R Audio, HDMI, Optical Digital Audio, S-Video
* Component Video Inputs: 1
* Composite Video Inputs: 1
* Includes: A/V Cable
* Dimensions: Length: 11.5 "; Width: 16.6 "; Depth: 2.4 "
* Product Weight: 7.5 Lb.
* Warranty Description: 1 Year Limited Manufacturer Warranty

Don't the 2160s have component OUTput not INput? Think that's just an error in the preliminary spec sheet?

Regardless, at least we still have S-Video It's very nice to know that they're still supporting the concept and will continue to produce these for the foreseeable future. Kudos and thanks to the folks at Funai !

Anyone notice the change (if it ships as such) that they changed from SPDIF coax to TOSLINK optical? Still nothing about DVD-RAM as I sit here hopeful.
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Quick note on a H2160MW9A... I purchased one for $227 a few days before the price rollback to $198 on Walmart.com. I received it on Wednesday, one day before the price rollback on Thursday. I just received an e-mail from Walmart.com informing me that they were crediting my payment method for the differential.

Walmart takes a lot of hits, but this is exceptional customer service.


Must be your 5 star review.
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Joe, no the review was for the H2160MW9A I bought last month. This was another purchase, so I don't think it was the review - LOL.
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Joe, no the review was for the H2160MW9A I bought last month. This was another purchase, so I don't think it was the review - LOL.

Big time joke. As if they watch reviews. I can't wait to see the real product.
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Exciting news! We'll have to do a side by side to see if some who need more drive space might still be better off getting a refurb and adding a 500 GB drive for an extra $50. Specs I saw on Target said

* Features: DVD Recorder
* Disc Capacity: 1
* Digital Tuner: Yes
* Vertical Resolution: Does Not Apply
* Visual Playback File Format: JPEG
* Audio Features: Does Not Apply
* HD Compatibility: ATSC/NTSC
* Wired Connectivity: HDMI
* Input Type: Radio Frequency (RF), S-Video, Analog Audio
* Output Type: Analog L/R Audio, HDMI, Optical Digital Audio, S-Video
* Component Video Inputs: 1
* Composite Video Inputs: 1
* Includes: A/V Cable
* Dimensions: Length: 11.5 "; Width: 16.6 "; Depth: 2.4 "
* Product Weight: 7.5 Lb.
* Warranty Description: 1 Year Limited Manufacturer Warranty

Don't the 2160s have component OUTput not INput? Think that's just an error in the preliminary spec sheet?

Regardless, at least we still have S-Video It's very nice to know that they're still supporting the concept and will continue to produce these for the foreseeable future. Kudos and thanks to the folks at Funai !

Artwire, is that a thumb up in the title? if it's truly is component IN, then looks like they're following the trend (or is it mandate?) to provide only HDMI out and composite out.
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trying to figure this out -- if it has one HDMI out and no component, that might cramp my style a bit, but I guess I could live with connecting fewer recorders to the same tv. If it truly has component IN, then cable box component out (vs svideo out) might be an improvement (I think?). Which I guess would mean you can record better stuff, you just cant watch it unless you have enough HDMI inputs I think this feature list is probably not that accurate - let's wait for the real deal -- still exciting , though. I thought they were going the way of the dodo bird...
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Except for the old Polaroid 2001G.



The Sony HX-715 also, but they're even rarer than the Polaroid.
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The Sony HX-715 also, but they're even rarer than the Polaroid.

There were quite a few that had them - some Sony's, some Philips, the Polaroid, and at least one Samsung that I can think of of off the top of my head (both HDD and non-HDD models).

It would take me a few hours to look them all up.

(edit: just came upon an old post right here that has a few more listed. Didn't even realize there were any Maggy's that had them: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...50#post9276550. I'm looking online now, and there are many, many more early Philips and Sony models that I was even aware of.)
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I wonder what the price of this new Maggie will be at places like Target & WalMart...On the web I see it's price at $241.95 on Sector29, and $257.95 at Computers4sure.
Also, I wonder how low the price on H2160MW9A will drop down to.
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This is definitely the biggest news this thread has had in years. Funai has really put the skeptics to rest. First, they release a FW update for the 2160A, now a new model for 2010?

As for the price of the MDR513H? Outstanding. Taking a look at my Walmart order history, the 2160A was going for $249.98 (plus tax) on 4/16/09.
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It looks like a few people may have upgraded using the Hitachi HDS721050CLA362 drive. Can anyone comment on it? Warnings, success, etc?

Edit:
FYI, IF this is a good alternative, NewEgg currently has it as a Shell Shocker deal. $39.95 w/ free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellS...299-_-05032010

Edit2: Sold out.

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A couple days ago I saw the surprising news that Funai did a software update to fix the 2160A's finalizing problem.

I downloaded the software, but am hesitant to actually try it for fear of wrecking the machine.

Those who've actually used it- Any pointers that'll help me get my courage up?
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The FW update went very well for me, exactly as per Funai's instructions. The disc finalizing process now is a pleasure, and works perfectly with no glitches. Just follow Funai's step-by-step instructions, and you should be fine.
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The FW update goes smoothly. I just put in the CD, it auto-read, went through the process and opened the disc drawer. I Unplugged the unit for 30 sec, re-plugged and that was it.
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(...) I Unplugged the unit for 30 sec, re-plugged and that was it.

Why?
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The FW update goes smoothly. I just put in the CD, it auto-read, went through the process and opened the disc drawer. I Unplugged the unit for 30 sec, re-plugged and that was it.

Same here. all I did so far was an HDD edit, HSD and DVD-R finalize, no problems with set in digital tuner mode.

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Chuck44 - Because that's required after loading the FW update, as per Funai's instructions.
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Chuck44 - Because that's required after loading the FW update, as per Funai's instructions.

OK. Just seemed weird to me having to unplug the box when I would have thought a soft reboot would do.
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I've been offline for a while and noticed that disk drives have popped up as subjects a few times.

Let me try to cover a few things that came up.

Green Power

ALL the disk drive manufacturers are going green on their new models, it is an industry wide commitment. If you don't like drives that support spinning down better get used to buying obsolete models.

The default to save power is Standby, not Sleep.

Sleep has multiple variations and connotations that are managed by commands, and only the extreme power-saver devices (portable) actively manage Sleep. Putting a drive to Sleep has to be a deliberate act because it will ignore commands, even Power On, unless the Sleep is reset.

In terms of power utilization, based on highest power first:

- Power Up
- Active aka Operating
- Idle
- Standby
- Sleep
- Off

Standby is simple, the drive is awake but the disks are not spinnning.

Going green may not save energy, and let me use the example of the latest mentioned drive (HDS721050CLA362) to illustrate.

As per http://www.eworldsale.com/hitachi-hd...902_39823.html the startup current is (max. A) 1.5 (+5V), 2.0 (+12V) and Idle of 4.4W.

Since the Startup power is 31.5W max and the Idle power is 4.4W, if a drive goes into Standby more often than every 7 seconds it uses more power than if it stayed in Idle.

Conclusion: The minimum default time to go into Standby will be 8 seconds or longer.

Operating power on the HDT721050SLA360 was 8.2W and I have found nothing to indicate that the HDS721050CLA362 is any lower because the claims about being better are for "Idle power savings".

This drive is an excellent desktop performer but way more powerful than the recorder needs, and uses more Operating power than the factory installed 160GB drives.

A notebook drive or a 5400 rpm desktop drive has more than enough performance for a recorder and will consume less than half the watts (and way less heat).

That was a great tip about Newegg's sale, have ordered a couple for my desktops.

Green Cycle Counts

The 2160 has no power control management, so discussion of Sleep is irrelevant, the only green functionality that affects the recorder is the drive's default behavior.

High Cycle Counts and short life are not synonyms. 2.5" drives have had high cycle counts for years, and nobody talks about them failing in 2 years. In fact, 2.5" drives tend to have a higher MTBF than desktop drives, so

Drive manufacturers build a product to meet the anticipated use. In the past, desktop drives had low cycle counts because they were not intended for use in a high cycle environment. Forced start/stops which jacked up the cycle counts caused premature death.

Going green has changed all that. Desktop drives which go into Standby and support Sleep have been designed for high cycle counts, because they are chartered to save power. Saving power translates to higher start/stop cycle counts.

bodhi78 wrote that "information we got about one of the WD 500GB drives (see previous posts), indicating that a lot of people have problem with this.

I disagree, as nothing on the web relates to our recorders. There is some hysteria about cycle counts, but much of it comes from people speculating that they expect failures. There are only a few applications in which problems may occur.

These applications are using software which polls the drives every 15-60 seconds with a media access command that forces the drive to spin up. This is a totally stupid thing to do, as drive availability can be checked with a non-media access command and not affect the power savings. However, this software was written in the days when it didn't matter, and now that desktop drives have gone green, that software will eventually be aged out. The interim cure is to increase the default to a longer period than the polling check with the WDIDLE3 utility.

Funai recorders do not poll, and they do not have power management, so the only thing that will affect the cycle count in our drives is the default power management of the vendor. That default will NOT be conducive to product failure, the vendors could not afford the warranty coverage.

Recommendation: You can't go wrong with the lowest wattage disk drive in your recorder. 2.5" is best, green desktops follow and only a really significant price benefit supports installing a good desktop performer of higher power.
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It looks like a few people may have upgraded using the Hitachi HDS721050CLA362 drive. Can anyone comment on it? Warnings, success, etc?

Edit:
FYI, IF this is a good alternative, NewEgg currently has it as a Shell Shocker deal. $39.95 w/ free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellS...299-_-05032010

Edit2: Sold out.

I ordered mine today, will install and post results.

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Bummer that the drive sold out so fast...
But perhaps it'll be restocked in the near future. If anything, they shouldn't increase in price at all, even if they've hit the price bottom at $39.

Based on the pricing of replacement drives, doesn't it make better sense to get the H2160MW9A and upgrade the drive to 500Gb, rather than spending more for the MDR513H that has only 320Gb? It looks like the specs outside of the drive size increase remain the same.

I was considering the Philips 3576 because of the USB support, but it does have a couple of drawbacks: IDE instead of SATA and no MP3-DVD support. I've seen a couple of people post about upgrading their Philips from IDE to SATA and having problems... plus there is the question of whether or not the adapter would really deliver full throughput. Native SATA feels better to me.

I like the idea of being able to pop in an 8Gb USB drive chocked full of MP3 music and play it from the unit, something you can only do on the Philips. However, an MP3-DVD single layer can hold up to 8.5Gb of music... and of course is cheaper than a USB drive.

In any case, the H2160MW9A is now selling cheaper than anywhere I'd been able to find the Philips. Seems like a better way to go, yes?
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garence,

An interesting question that needed asking. Your analysis is right on, and I guess my vote is for a 2160A now for $159 (or less, we'll see?) from J&R as soon as they get them in... they're on the way!

J&R also ships to Canada for our Canucky friends!
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An interesting question that needed asking. Your analysis is right on, and I guess my vote is for a 2160A now for $159 (or less, we'll see?) from J&R as soon as they get them in... they're on the way!

Good to hear it, Wajo--thanks!

Btw, do their refurbished products always show up on the brand subsection of their website? I'm trying to find a simple link on their website to monitor from time to time, like this one:
Magnavox at JR.com
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