Originally Posted by jjeff
Actually channel 29.1 is the MyTV network that only shows repeats, I guess the programs I mentioned are CBS programs? I watch lots of CBS but mostly 1hr crime dramas on the real CBS channel.
9.1 is HD FOX on physical channel 9
9.2 is SD FOX on physical channel 29
29.1 is HD MyTV on physical channel 9
29.2 is SD MyTV on physical channel 29
In my market both the FOX and MyTV channels are owned by the same company. The reason for the odd channel numbering is because physical channel 9 is on VHF and kind of spotty for digital TV. The channel owners figured if you couldn't get FOX HD on 9.1 that you could still get FOX SD on physical channel 29(mapped to 9.2). This is actually true, my mother(who is OTA) occasionally has problems with breakups on FOX 9 HD and when she does she just switches to FOX SD(9.2, physical channel 29) and her reception is perfect.
AFA deleting any channels, my daughter would probably want to record from both FOX and of course MyTV so I don't know what channels I would delete??
Originally Posted by jjeff
OK, I couldn't wait and kicked her off her new toy
First I went into analog mode, 9 and 29 were already deleted since those channels aren't active in analog land, so nothing I could do their. Next I I went into DTV and tried deleting 9. Typing 29.1 still resulted in going to 29.2(but didn't first try going to 29.1, it immediately went to 29.2). Finally I deleted 29(sounded counter intuitive to what I wanted to record but did it anyway) and wala, I could type in 29.1 and have it go to 29.1 HD! I did a quick timer test and sure enough if I left the tuner on another channel(used 5.1) it would change to 29.1 HD just fine. The only downside to this is she cannot use the CH UP or CH DOWN buttons to get to ANY of the 29s(29.1 or 29.2, it just skips over them) but we'll trade that off for the ability to actually record 29.1. Of course even though CH UP/CH DOWN won't access the 29s typing 29.1 in direct takes one to 29.1. On a funny note now, typing in 29.2 directly takes one to 29.1
You're a pro with these things Wajo, thanks!
For OTA, Philips and Magnavox DVDRs seem to struggle when multiple Physical channels are mapped to the same Virtual channel, which is what a TV displays. This problem first got discussed when a user was having trouble with the PBS stations in the MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL market, which exhibit a similar problem. I don't recall posts from any other markets where OTA users have run into this issue.
I went to http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php
which I have found to be a good source of information in the past and found the following entries.
09-1 9.3 720p DD5.1 KMSP-HD FOX "Fox 9 KMSP"
29-2 9.4 480i DD2.0 WFTC-SD MyN "My 29 WFTC"
09-2 29.4 480i (w) DD2.0 KMSP-SD FOX "Fox 9 KMSP"
29-1 29.3 720p DD2.0 WFTC-HD MyN "My 29 WFTC"
The first item is the virtual channel which is displayed by the TV and the second is the Physical channel.
With both 9 and 29 deleted from the DVDR channel list, she should be able to record MyTV HD by entering 29-3. If she wanted to record FOX SD, she should be able to enter 29-4. I believe that because there is no physical 29-1 or 29-2, when either of those channels are entered, the tuner grabs the lowest physical sub-channel which is 29-3, which displays as 29-1. I believe she should be able to record FOX HD by entering 9-3 and MyTV SD by entering 9-4.
Below are the entries for the PBS stations and another station which is involved in THAT puzzle. The DVDR channel scan will find Physical 23 first, so that is the first Physical channel it will associate with Virtual channel 2. Physical channel 34 will be found later in the scan. That is why channel up will show 2-3, 2-1, 2-2, 2-4. To reliably record all the Virtual Channel 2 PBS stations, I believe DVDR users will need to delete 2 and 23 from the DVDR channel list, and program by Physical channel numbers. The reason 23 would need to be deleted is that there is a Virtual channel 23, and if that is in the tables, it will block access to Physical channel 23. Using this work-around means that the Virtual channel 23 programs need to be accessed by their Physical channel 22 assignments.
02-1 34.3 1080i DD5.1 tpt 2 PBS "TPT 2"
02-2 34.4 480i DD2.0 tpt MN MN Channel "TPT MN"
02-4 34.6 480i DD2.0 tpt Wx Weather "TPT WX"
02-3 23.5 480i DD2.0 tptLife PBS "TPT Life"
17-2 23.7 480i DD2.0 MN Channel
23-1 22.3 1080i DD2.0 WUCW HD CW "CW Twin Cities"
23-2 22.4 480i DD2.0 Cool TV The Cool TV
23-3 22.5 480i DD2.0 COUNTRY The Country Network
Since I live in Denver Metro, I cannot test any of this. Currently, I do not have the situation where more than one Physical channel maps to a single display channel, although it may happen soon. One of the PBS station is supposed to be installing a repeater which my antenna should pick up. This still won't be the same as the MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL market situation, since repeaters carry the very same digital stream as the main transmitter, and it does not matter which Physical channel the tuner is looking at. It will see exactly the same thing.