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Umm, somebody said Dubbing is not common word in US and we need to use only Copy.
I wonder if we need to change word of OSD, Instructiion book and any other material.

Interesting that you ask this about an EOL product. That you asked here seems to imply a replacement product is in the works, as it seems late to be changing docs and FW in this way.

"Copy" seems to infer what DRM people deem inappropriate activity. I would continue the use of dub/dubbing as it has been used in these machines and their docs, and reserve the use of "copy" for replication of "files".

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Interesting that you ask this about an EOL product. That you asked here seems to imply a replacement product is in the works, as it seems late to be changing docs and FW in this way.

"Copy" seems to infer what DRM people deem inappropriate activity. I would continue the use of dub/dubbing as it has been used in these machines and their docs, and reserve the use of "copy" for replication of "files".

Two very good points.

I was going to reply "on what hardware?" but didn't want to start a debate.
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Two very good points.

I was going to reply "on what hardware?" but didn't want to start a debate.

Or is it because we're afraid to ask lest we get our hopes up?
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Two very good points.

I was going to reply "on what hardware?" but didn't want to start a debate.

Reading the posts on these last two pages, one could easly predict no shortage of 513/515 refurbs, in the foreseeable future.

Joe, you may want to alert your "returned goods" department accordingly.

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Interesting that you ask this about an EOL product. That you asked here seems to imply a replacement product is in the works, as it seems late to be changing docs and FW in this way.

"Copy" seems to infer what DRM people deem inappropriate activity. I would continue the use of dub/dubbing as it has been used in these machines and their docs, and reserve the use of "copy" for replication of "files".

i would agree with mrmazda.

The term ' recording ' ( at least with audio ), usually references the creation of material from a ( relatively ) live source.

The term ' copying ' ( at least in our world ) has negative implications and should be avoided in order to be politically correct. However, mechanically, it represents the same process as ' dubbing '.

The term ' dubbing ' is more ' comfortably ' used in our world, as well as in the audio world, and seems to be more popularly accepted, without carrying the negative stigma associated with the DRM world.

for reference, in reality ( fine point that would probably NOT pass muster in a courtroom these days ), mostly NONE of what we do in our world of copying ( even in the audio world ) is actually a ' copy ' of original material.

Original material is just that. original... as soon as it is purposely degraded in any way, such as being compressed in some way, and that source is copied and reproduced, it no longer represents original material ( my opinion of course ). it is changed. it is degraded. it sounds or looks worse. it's a used car. in most cases, i REFUSE to purchase an MP3, since it has been generation degraded from the original.

sorry to bounce off topic... just needed to vent, i guess...
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"I was looking at 3TB USB externals but they all seem to be 3.0. I'm taking advantage of the lower USB 2.0 prices. I do all of my recording and editing on the internal SATA drives but then I copy the files to the external drives for playback. USB 2.0 is good enough for that purpose."

I assume you transfer the files by copying to DVD's ?
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Reading the posts on these last two pages, one could easly predict no shortage of 513/515 refurbs, in the foreseeable future.

Joe, you may want to alert your "returned goods" department accordingly.

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i would agree with mrmazda.

Original material is just that. original... as soon as it is purposely degraded in any way, such as being compressed in some way, and that source is copied and reproduced, it no longer represents original material ( my opinion of course ). it is changed. it is degraded. it sounds or looks worse. it's a used car. in most cases, i REFUSE to purchase an MP3, since it has been generation degraded from the original.

sorry to bounce off topic... just needed to vent, i guess...

Your vent is ok. I remember when DAT threatened the audio cassette industry. There will always be debates & discussions on the "perfect copy" issue. The DAT industry still survives but only for the data storage world since it's so good.
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I assume you transfer the files by copying to DVD's ?

I do some recordings directly on the PC internal SATA drives from a TV tuner card. For recordings made on the Magnavox recorders I high speed dub the titles from the HDD to a DVD RW and import the DVD to the PC. I edit on the PC then copy over to one of the external drives.
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Wow, thank you for prompt reply.

Umm, somebody said Dubbing is not common word in US and we need to use only Copy.
I wonder if we need to change word of OSD, Instructiion book and any other material.

I think it would be amusing if we had refused to give you the information unless your bosses agree to give us new recorders.

I mean, what difference does this make?...

Unless Funai will continue to make recorders.

It seems Funai is making new recorders, if you're making new instruction books.

If Funai is making new recorders, we want some too!
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Our favorite Soap Opera "Keep Your Powder Dry" is returning to USA Network soon! Rev up your Mag timers!

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Wow, thank you for prompt reply.

Umm, somebody said Dubbing is not common word in US and we need to use only Copy.
I wonder if we need to change word of OSD, Instructiion book and any other material.

Dear 234,

Dubbing is a VERY common word used for electronic copy of audio/visual content. We also use over-dub sometimes.

OSD is now common and usually means more than text menu. See Yamaha RX manuals.

Instruction book: please forget PBS.

I figure Funai is going to sell a new Blu-ray player. Sad that Funai gave up on the hard drive recorder USA market.
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Nice build quality. to be sold in USA APRIL 1st.?? 2012.http://www.paperblog.fr/4981476/test...unai-bh2-m200/

April 1st? Are you serious?

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Which is more common in US English?

1) Copy (Video data from HDD to DVDR)
or
2) Dubbing (Video data from HDD to DVDR)

Maybe they are just looking the right word for the new Funai VHS-BR Combo Players user manual: "You can't copy/dubbing/recording from BR to VHS."

Or maybe a new beast is waiting for US...
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It'll be interesting to see what FW and mfg date these latest 513's and 515's have.


513 E2S00UD
HD6A269727H1E
MFG 2011/05
Refurb 2012/01
Amazon/J&R Purchase 2012/02/27 (received today)
DVD-WR 1:44
DVD-RD 25:05
CD 0:00
HDD power on 884

Could be this is the longest HDD power on time we've seen from a refurb.

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........Or maybe a new beast is waiting for US...

If a new "beast" is coming, I think Funai should give Wajo the first two (2) off the production line FREE OF CHARGE for helping them to get rid of their inventory of old 513's and 515's.

(234, are you listening????)

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Everyone!

I would like to ask you one question.

Which is more common in US English?

1) Copy (Video data from HDD to DVDR)
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2) Dubbing (Video data from HDD to DVDR)

Thank you in advance!

Another view:

Having been in electronics for 50 years, when I got my first Mag I was confused by the wording of "Dubbing". I knew what the word dubbing referred to but in the context of the Mag instructions it was confusing. I would have understood the instructions much quicker if it had said "Copying".

My thoughts are if "Copying" were used in the instructions, less returns would be submitted. If the purpose of the Mag manufacture is to be focused to the operators that are versed in DVR systems fine, "Dubbing" may be the correct wording but in my opinion "Copying" is a much easier concept for the others to quickly understand.
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513 E2S00UD
HD6A269727H1E
MFG 2011/05
Refurb 2012/01
Amazon/J&R Purchase 2012/02/27 (received today)
DVD-WR 1:44
DVD-RD 25:05
CD 0:00
HDD power on 884

Could be this is the longest HDD power on time we've seen from a refurb.

Thanks for info. AFAICR, most HDD Hours seen to date is over 1000 hours.

You prob. got one that appeared "dead" after a power failure and the owner didn't know about the Soft Reset?

I assume you're going to do the SuperFW 727V update?


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Another view:

Having been in electronics for 50 years, when I got my first Mag I was confused by the wording of "Dubbing". I knew what the word dubbing referred to but in the context of the Mag instructions it was confusing. I would have understood the instructions much quicker if it had said "Copying".

My thoughts are if "Copying" were used in the instructions, less returns would be submitted. If the purpose of the Mag manufacture is to be focused to the operators that are versed in DVR systems fine, "Dubbing" may be the correct wording but in my opinion "Copying" is a much easier concept for the others to quickly understand.

You are right, copy is clearer. Problem though, is that "illegal" is too often used with copy. Words and their use are always changing. It's just how the world works. Few, but some, do use "standby" and not "off". We could go on forever, so don't touch that dial.
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I assume you're going to do the SuperFW 727V update?

Nope. Did that as soon as I tried to name the first timer and noticed I couldn't. I recorded the original data and the FW update process on a Pioneer, and used that recording to post the data you asked for while the V513 was off with IR port covered and a V2160A was in use.

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So I have replaced my old trusty 3575 with the 513. Partially because I wanted something newer/better, and partially because my cable company says it will no longer provide the analog channels. My 3575 has that problem of sometimes not keeping the digital channels. Is there any sort of FW update to fix this? Maybe I'm off on that problem, but I recall that was an issue years ago. Or is this just a hardware issue?

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So I have replaced my old trusty 3575 with the 513. Partially because I wanted something newer/better, and partially because my cable company says it will no longer provide the analog channels. My 3575 has that problem of sometimes not keeping the digital channels. Is there any sort of FW update to fix this? Maybe I'm off on that problem, but I recall that was an issue years ago. Or is this just a hardware issue?

It's an "analog interference" issue. With your cableco deleting the analog channels anyway, it's a perfect time for you to do an Auto Channel Preset > Cable (Analog/Digital) WITH THE COAX OFF for the 1-125 analog channels, as described here.

Odds are that'll fix your problem.


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It's an "analog interference" issue. With your cableco deleting the analog channels anyway, it's a perfect time for you to do an Auto Channel Preset > Cable (Analog/Digital) WITH THE COAX OFF for the 1-125 analog channels, as described here.

Odds are that'll fix your problem.

Awesome. Thanks a million

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"For recordings made on the Magnavox recorders I high speed dub the titles from the HDD to a DVD RW and import the DVD to the PC. I edit on the PC then copy over to one of the external drives."

I have found that when I put more then one title onto a DVD RW and "Import" it to the PC that the titles do not map one for one from the original DVD. This is using MakeMKV.
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HDD power on 884
Could be this is the longest HDD power on time we've seen from a refurb.

Nope, I've got you beat with 1282 hours on my 513 refurb.
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My 515 refurb arrived yesterday. Like dvrtyro's, mine was from the J&R batch of 2/24/12, was manufactured May 2011 and refurbed 1/27/12. It came with the 727V firmware update installed.

HDD hours: 97

DVD-WR: 0:03
DVD-RD: 19:05
CD: 0:00

Looks like the recently refurbed 515's are getting the 727V firmware update.
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My 515 refurb arrived yesterday. Like dvrtyro's, mine was from the J&R batch of 2/24/12, was manufactured May 2011 and refurbed 1/27/12. It came with the 727V firmware update installed.

HDD hours: 97

DVD-WR: 0:03
DVD-RD: 19:05
CD: 0:00

Looks like the recently refurbed 515's are getting the 727V firmware update.

My second 515 is from that same batch:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21729679

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GOOD NEWS more 515S' incoming next week at JR. 94 PIECES. mine is one of those on BO.

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GOOD NEWS more 515S' incoming next week at JR. 94 PIECES. mine is one of those on BO.

Drat. No 513s.

Wait...

Should I be feeling this way or not?
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So what ever happen to the 514 ?
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My new 513 is here! Just picked it up from WM. Looking forward to hooking it up and catching up on some shows.

My Mag. dvd recorder is really fritzing out badly at this point. It worked great all last week then . . . . won't load a dvd again. Are there places that fix these machines? I've looked around and there's one shop I'm going to call but have no idea if they do stuff like this.

Is there a place that you can send your machine away to for them to fix it? Would J&R do that or do they just do that with pieces they're going to sell? Thx.
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