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I wish they would hurry up! LOL! It has been on sonystyle's site for a month . I am selling my CT100 to a coworker on Monday. I called sonystyle yesterday and the rep said preorder in April with a May release day. Grrr.........I hope she was wrong as I was really hoping it would come out this month.
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I sold my CT100 a few days ago in preperation for getting the CT500.

Might I suggest that others that plan on up-grading to the CT500 sell their CT100's sooner than later.
Me thinks it will be much easier to sell a CT100 before the CT500 comes out.

Ebay, Craigslist, AVS classifieds or a friend,,, now is the time to sell,,, (in my opinion that is).

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quick question, since the CT500 will have S-Air technology, I could get some sony speakers and have them behind me "wirelessly" aright?
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quick question, since the CT500 will have S-Air technology, I could get some sony speakers and have them behind me "wirelessly" aright?

The CT500 will not support "Surround" S-Air profile. It will only support "multi-room" S-Air.
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The CT500 will not support "Surround" S-Air profile. It will only support "multi-room" S-Air.

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I bought the ct100 yesterdy online but canceled my order after reading the new ct is coming out.... Hopefully it has 220v cuz im thinking about moving to europe in the near future
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HT-CT500:

4 50mm Cone Speakers: Total speaker area = 7,854 square mm


HT-CT100:

3 40mm x 70mm Oval Speakers: Total speaker area = 8,400 square mm

How did you calculate this? The drivers of the CT-100 are only 10mm larger per driver since the CT-500 drivers are 50mm x 50mm vs 40mm x 70mm. I don't see how that minuscule difference in extra driver size of the CT-100 can make up for the extra 4th driver of the CT-500. Maybe I just suck at math and I am not bothering to look up how to calculate areas of a circle.
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How did you calculate this? The drivers of the CT-100 are only 10mm larger per driver since the CT-500 drivers are 50mm x 50mm vs 40mm x 70mm. I don't see how that minuscule difference in extra driver size of the CT-100 can make up for the extra 4th driver of the CT-500. Maybe I just suck at math and I am not bothering to look up how to calculate areas of a circle.

1. Calculation for the 50mm circular drivers in the CT-HT500

Fact #1: In audio specification, the size specified for a round driver is the diameter of the driver. The diameter of the new round drivers in the CT-HT500 is 50mm

Fact #2: The formula for the area of a circle:

Area for a Circle: A=pi (3.14) x the radius squared (the radius is
1/2 the diameter of 50mm, or 25mm)

Area = 3.14 x 25mm x 25mm = 1,962.5 square mm

Fact #3: 1,962.5 square mm is the area of one of the 4 50mm drivers in the new HT-CT500, so,

4 x 1,962.5 square mm = 7,850 square mm total driver area for
the 4 50mm drivers in the soundbar of the HT-CT500


2. Calculation for the 40mm x 70mm driver in the CT-HT100.

This driver is almost rectangular-shaped, though technically it would be considered an oval. Using the formula for calculation of the area of a rectangle will slightly overstate the area of this driver, but this was easier than using differential calculus to compensate for the sharp angles of the 4 oval corners of this driver.

Fact #1: Area of a Rectangle = Length x Width

40mm x 70mm = 2,800 square mm

3 x 2,800 square mm = 8,400 square mm

Fact #2: 8,400 square mm is 7% greater than 7850 square mm.

Fact #3: The sound bar in the CT-HT100 has approximately 7% greater driver surface area than the driver surface area in the newer CT-HT500.

3. We cannot leave out the small woofer in the so-called subwoofer amplifier control unit for each unit.

Fact #1: The Sony Japanese website specs the CT-HT500 woofer as 130mm in diameter. The area for a 130mm diameter speaker is 13,266.5 square mm.

Fact #2: The Sony Japanese website specs the CT-HT100 woofer as 160mm in diameter. The area for a 160mm diameter speaker is 20,096 square mm.

Fact #3: The woofer in the HT-CT100 is 51.5% greater in surface area than the woofer in the HT-CT500. This is a significant difference.

4. If you total the total driver area from both Sony units, you get:

HT-CT500 Sound Bar Driver Area = 7,850.0 square mm
HT-CT500 Woofer Driver Area = 13,266.5 square mm
HT-CT500 TOTAL Driver Area = 21,116.5 square mm

HT-CT100 Sound Bar Driver Area = 8,400 square mm
HT-CT100 Woofer Driver Area = 20,096 square mm
HT-CT100 TOTAL Driver Area = 28,496 square mm

5. 28,496 is 35% larger than 21,116.5

Therefore, the older HT-CT100 drivers will move more air than the newer HT-CT500 drivers because they are 35% larger than the drivers in the newer unit.

6. Sony specs the weight of the woofer/amp of the HT-CT100 at 10 kilos, and they spec the weight of the newer HT-CT500 as 9.1 kilos. A kilo is approximately 2.2 lbs., so the newer HT-CT500 woofer/amp weighs 2 lbs. less than the older HT-CT100 woofer/amp. The smaller woofer with a less-powerful magnet could account for the 2 lb. weight reduction.

7. So where does that leave us? I previously noted Sony tends to put their best engineering efforts in their very first design of a new product, then they look for ways to cheapen it.

A perfect example is Sony's first FM stereo tuner, the ST-5000W. It was their first one, and their best one: All the subsequent tuners that followed it were not as good as the original ST-5000W. When the ST-5000W was reviewed, the reviewers of the time said it was as good or better than the McIntosh and Marantz tuners it was built to compete against.

Same thing with Sony's early turntables. They were belt drive, they were better than the Linn Sondek's they competed with, and the early Sony's now sell for crazy money on eBay.

My expectation is that the HT-CT500 will not sound as good as the HT-CT100 because it has less driver area and it has a lighter woofer/amp.

Of course, we really won't know until the HT-CT500 becomes available, but if it were me, I would not be rushing to dump my HT-CT100 unless I needed the extra connectivity and upscaling the HT-CT500 offers.

As always, YMMV, of course.

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Thanks for the math lesson
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Vinyl Rules,

You really know your stuff, Sony could probably use you. Also something that just crossed my mind, is there any way that the japanese site the comparison specs came from could have had the the info flip flopped accidently? Proabably not but you never know.

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When is this thing coming out??!!! LOL! Seriously every time I call customer service I get a different answer. I just called and they said end of June or beginning of July!
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Yotr - nobody up there at Sony knows whats going on re: the CT500. I gave up and bought the YSP1100
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Does anyone have any idea whether this is gonna come to Europe or not? AFAIK the HT-CT100 never came, but I'm really interested in this. Should there be any problems with PAL/NTSC and voltage if I buy one from the US?
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Does anyone have any idea whether this is gonna come to Europe or not? AFAIK the HT-CT100 never came, but I'm really interested in this. Should there be any problems with PAL/NTSC and voltage if I buy one from the US?

It is possible that CT500 will have the same power requirements as CT100 (120V AC, 60 Hz). In this case you will need a power inverter to use it in Europe, plus I'm not sure if HDMI will work well for you.
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Sorry if this has been posted before, but if anyone is too impatient (like me) and wants to know more, the manual has been posted.
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Can't post the url before I have three posts, go to sony support site and search.
Edit: actually, here it is:
htt p://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-documents.pl?mdl=HTCT500
just delete the space after htt.
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http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/mod...pl?mdl=HTCT500
(sorry, couldn't post links before I had 3 posts)
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http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/mod...pl?mdl=HTCT500
(sorry, couldn't post links before I had 3 posts)


Great find! Hopefully that's a good sign that it will be out sooner than later .
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Darn that Vinyl Rules! post was extremely informational!!
I recently bought the CT-100 but I wouldn't mind buying this one too and testing it when it comes out!
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Test post so I can post a more informative post with URL's.

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Darn that Vinyl Rules! post was extremely informational!!
I recently bought the CT-100 but I wouldn't mind buying this one too and testing it when it comes out!

The data on the American sites for the specs of both are identical to the data on the Japanese site.

HT-CT100 Specs: http://www.docs.sony.com/release/HTCT100_EN_ES_FR.pdf

HT-CT500 Specs: http://www.docs.sony.com/release/HTCT500_EN_ES_FR.pdf

As previously noted, you are getting 35% less driver area with the HT-CT500 than you are getting with the HT-CT100, and the HT-CT500 subwoofer module is 2lbs. lighter than than the HT-CT100 subwoofer module.

Also, even though the soundbar of the HT-CT500 is 6 1/4" longer than the soundbar of the HT-CT100, the HT-CT100 sound bar weighs 3 oz more than the sound bar of the HT-CT500.

I cannot imagine that given:

(1) The smaller total driver area of the HT-CT500; and
(2) The smaller and lighter woofer of the HT-CT500; and
(3) The lighter sound bar of the HT-CT500

That the HT-CT500 will sound better than the HT-CT100.

As always, YMMV, but I think Sony's accountants have really cheapened the HT-CT500.

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man I really need something by the end of May. i hope this comes out soon cus i'm holding off on the ct100 for this to come out. i guess i can just settle with tv speakers in the meantime but sony really needs to push this out early.
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The data on the American sites for the specs of both are identical to the data on the Japanese site.

HT-CT100 Specs: http://www.docs.sony.com/release/HTCT100_EN_ES_FR.pdf

HT-CT500 Specs: http://www.docs.sony.com/release/HTCT500_EN_ES_FR.pdf

As previously noted, you are getting 35% less driver area with the HT-CT500 than you are getting with the HT-CT100, and the HT-CT500 subwoofer module is 2lbs. lighter than than the HT-CT100 subwoofer module.

Also, even though the soundbar of the HT-CT500 is 6 1/4" longer than the soundbar of the HT-CT100, the HT-CT100 sound bar weighs 3 oz more than the sound bar of the HT-CT500.

I cannot imagine that given:

(1) The smaller total driver area of the HT-CT500; and
(2) The smaller and lighter woofer of the HT-CT500; and
(3) The lighter sound bar of the HT-CT500

That the HT-CT500 will sound better than the HT-CT100.

As always, YMMV, but I think Sony's accountants have really cheapened the HT-CT500.

so your saying your thinking the ct100 is actually better soundwise then the ct500? hm, but some of the new features of the 500 are compelling. I guess i have to see if i will actually need any of those and if not then the 100 will be the better buy.
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For anyone interested in Europe: after a little research, I found out that the HT-CT100's european brother is called HT-FS1 and it's a 2.1 system (with the same subwoofer/amp). However, I need the more inputs and 1080p upscaling on the HT-CT500, so I'm waiting for the unit that replaces the HT-FS1. The HT-FS1 was released about 6 months after the HT-CT100, hopefully the next one will be out sooner after the HT-CT500.
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The data on the American sites for the specs of both are identical to the data on the Japanese site.

HT-CT100 Specs: http://www.docs.sony.com/release/HTCT100_EN_ES_FR.pdf

HT-CT500 Specs: http://www.docs.sony.com/release/HTCT500_EN_ES_FR.pdf

As previously noted, you are getting 35% less driver area with the HT-CT500 than you are getting with the HT-CT100, and the HT-CT500 subwoofer module is 2lbs. lighter than than the HT-CT100 subwoofer module.

Also, even though the soundbar of the HT-CT500 is 6 1/4" longer than the soundbar of the HT-CT100, the HT-CT100 sound bar weighs 3 oz more than the sound bar of the HT-CT500.

I cannot imagine that given:

(1) The smaller total driver area of the HT-CT500; and
(2) The smaller and lighter woofer of the HT-CT500; and
(3) The lighter sound bar of the HT-CT500

That the HT-CT500 will sound better than the HT-CT100.

As always, YMMV, but I think Sony's accountants have really cheapened the HT-CT500.

Yeah but the big problem for me with the CT-100 is the "muffled"/bassy tones. The new one WILL have equalizing control (or at least BASS/Treble controls) and that customization SHOULD make the CT-500 sound better even if it doesn't necessarily sounds louder.
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I see some on this thread speculating that the CT-500 will not sound as good or beat the CT-100,,, personaly, I dont think that going to be the case.

Everyone can talk about how much lighter the sub is or the main speaker bar itself is, whats going to define how the CT-500 sounds will be in its electronic inards and how the sound is processed (did I spell "processed" rong), Oh'well.

Anyhow, I really dont think Sony is going to drop the ball on the CT-500.

I for one will be getting one the day it gets released (to replace my recently sold CT-100).

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The data on the American sites for the specs of both are identical to the data on the Japanese site.

HT-CT100 Specs: http://www.docs.sony.com/release/HTCT100_EN_ES_FR.pdf

HT-CT500 Specs: http://www.docs.sony.com/release/HTCT500_EN_ES_FR.pdf

As previously noted, you are getting 35% less driver area with the HT-CT500 than you are getting with the HT-CT100, and the HT-CT500 subwoofer module is 2lbs. lighter than than the HT-CT100 subwoofer module.

Also, even though the soundbar of the HT-CT500 is 6 1/4" longer than the soundbar of the HT-CT100, the HT-CT100 sound bar weighs 3 oz more than the sound bar of the HT-CT500.

I cannot imagine that given:

(1) The smaller total driver area of the HT-CT500; and
(2) The smaller and lighter woofer of the HT-CT500; and
(3) The lighter sound bar of the HT-CT500

That the HT-CT500 will sound better than the HT-CT100.

As always, YMMV, but I think Sony's accountants have really cheapened the HT-CT500.

I think this is probably correct. Sony is going to make us think we're getting more but those specs certainly should make one skeptical. It costs much more and has more "power" but sound quality should probably suffer if the driver area has been reduced, the sub is even lighter and the bar itself is lighter as well (asssuming specs hold). If you really need a simple soundbar, I'd get the CT100 when they get clearanced, otherwise I'd step up to a Yamaha YSP. I guess we'll know more when the reviews come out.
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Everyone can talk about how much lighter the sub is or the main speaker bar itself is, whats going to define how the CT-500 sounds will be in its electronic inards and how the sound is processed

You forgot about how much smaller the speakers are in the specs. Good luck relying on electronics for sound.
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Dam I'm struggling to hold off. I was going to buy the CT-100 a month ago, decided to wait for the 500.

Any new release news?
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You forgot about how much smaller the speakers are in the specs. Good luck relying on electronics for sound.

Davyo is correct on his last post. People totally didn't understand how the sound from the CT100 could sound so good with it being so small and being a soundbar. Peoples opinion's changed though once they got the CT100 inside their home, the CT100 can sound pretty phenomenal in the right room and set up well. Let's not bring judgment on an item that hasn't been tested yet, and to that not even released yet. As the saying goes... big things come in small packages and Sony very well could surprise us all yet again.

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