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Trying to decide between the Denon DHT-1513BA or the Onkyo HT-S5500 for HTiB's. Alternatively, I'm considering separates with the Denon AVR-1513 (refurb) with Energy Classic 5.1 speakers.

Which is the better setup for gaming and movies (50/50), for someone with a limited budget, and with a fairly small space (13.5' x 13.4')?


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I would get the Denon just because of the reliability problems with HDMI and Onkyo receivers.

Plus I own 3 Denons which have never had any problems, all HDMI receivers.

What gaming devices will you be connecting? Hopefully they are all HDMI since neither of those receivers have analog to HDMI video conversion?

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Thanks afrogt.

What's the difference between the spring-clip connectors (as found on the Denon) and the binding post terminals (as found on the Onkyo)? After reading up on them, it appears the binding post connectors are more versatile and higher quality. Is this true? Also, one goal I've got is to eventually upgrade speakers, so having a receiver that's more versatile in that area would be nice. Would you still recommend the Denon?

I'd be connecting an Xbox 360 Slim and eventually as PS4 once they ship (which will also serve as our Blu-ray player). That will be it for the foreseeable future, as I don't expect to need or want anything else.


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binding post are way more versatile than spring clip connectors. They accept banana plugs which I'm very fond of using.

I'd actually recommend getting a receiver with some type of room correction. Denon's use Audyssey MultEQ so I'd recommend you step up to the AVR 1612 or 1613.

What's your total budget for receiver and speakers?

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I've been hearing folks around here talk a lot about banana connectors. I looked them up and they seem to be solid and sturdy, so I can get on board with them as well.

Here's what's on my list thus far:

HTiB's (all of these are refurb)
1. Onkyo ST-S5500
2. Denon DHT-1513BA (I've been reading that speakers are the key to the whole thing and this one comes with Boston Acoustics)
3. Onkyo HT-S7500 7.1

Alternatively, I've got another list of separate receivers and speakers, but I think I'd prefer the all-in-one package that allows for flexibility later. I believe all of the above systems do just that.

Receivers: (all of these are refurb)
1. Denon AVR-1513
2. Denon AVR 1712
3. Denon AVR 1613

Speakers:
1. Energy Classic 5.1

I'm also considering a 2.1 setup with towers for now, but getting a receiver that can accept a 5.1 later.

As for a budget, I'm trying to go as low as I can while getting something solid that will last a long time. We aren't audiophiles and will never know the difference between a good, great, or best setup. Furthermore, we'll only be in this condo for 7 or 8 years before moving out of the city and into a single-family home (where I'll have the freedom to get more creative, go into the walls, and spend more time and money on something like this).

For now though, I'd like to stick under $500.


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I've been hearing folks around here talk a lot about banana connectors. I looked them up and they seem to be solid and sturdy, so I can get on board with them as well.

Here's what's on my list thus far:

HTiB's (all of these are refurb)
1. Onkyo ST-S5500
2. Denon DHT-1513BA (I've been reading that speakers are the key to the whole thing and this one comes with Boston Acoustics)
3. Onkyo HT-S7500 7.1

Alternatively, I've got another list of separate receivers and speakers, but I think I'd prefer the all-in-one package that allows for flexibility later. I believe all of the above systems do just that.

Receivers: (all of these are refurb)
1. Denon AVR-1513
2. Denon AVR 1712
3. Denon AVR 1613

Speakers:
1. Energy Classic 5.1

I'm also considering a 2.1 setup with towers for now, but getting a receiver that can accept a 5.1 later.

As for a budget, I'm trying to go as low as I can while getting something solid that will last a long time. We aren't audiophiles and will never know the difference between a good, great, or best setup. Furthermore, we'll only be in this condo for 7 or 8 years before moving out of the city and into a single-family home (where I'll have the freedom to get more creative, go into the walls, and spend more time and money on something like this).

For now though, I'd like to stick under $500.

accessories4less has the onkyo 9400THX htib refurb for 550. I just got mine delivered yesterday and am extremely happy with my choice. I dont think you can find a better HTiB.

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accessories4less has the onkyo 9400THX htib refurb for 550. I just got mine delivered yesterday and am extremely happy with my choice. I dont think you can find a better HTiB.

Wow, not a bad price at all! However, with shipping, it'd be close to $600, and since I need to spend roughly $100 on a couple of wiring kits and stands, that puts me over my budget. I'm now leaning towards the S7500 because the front two channels are already towers, saving me a little money on two additional stands. I've not heard much about the S7500 thus far, I'm assuming it's fairly new?


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with shipping it came out to be $606, which while i get that being over budget, you are getting a much better quality system. You might want to consider saving up alittle more and going with the 9400 over the s7500. I heard both and wasnt all that impressed with the s7500. The 9400 also comes with a better all around receiver. the fronts that come with the 9400 are fairly tall. See pic below.


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I've plugged it into my spreadsheet. That system, along with the $50 in wire kits and two stands (for the rears) brings it to $700.

I've not heard either (plan on getting out to hear them at some point before purchasing) but I couldn't tell you the difference between better and best as far as sounds go. Is the 9400 really that much better than the 7500? And if I never heard the 9400 would the 7500 sound like a chorus of angels singing?


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LOL i dont think you can get a system that sounds like a chorus of angels for under 1k. However in my opinion the 9400 does sound alot better than the 7500. That being said, its very possible you could be extremely happy with the 7500. I am a huge movie buff, and for me the 7500 just sounded flat with bluray content, where as the 9400 is extremely immersive. I dont mean to say that the 7500 is a bad system, but for what amounts to 100 more, i think the 9400 is the better choice.
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Well said, thanks. I agree. I'm not really in a rush with this and I'd rather not waste money on something I'll "outgrow" in not too long a time. I'd like a system that I can keep around, upgrade, etc. for the next ten to twenty years. And you're right - for another $100, why not step all the way up to the top?

I'll save up a bit more... and hope that A4L doesn't sell out!


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Not to worry, if they do sell out you can get it direct from onkyoUSA for 630 shipped. Just sign up for their onkyo club (free) and youll see the club price.

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One more question: What makes a system THX certified? Is it the speakers, or the receiver?

For example, with the 7500 system, in theory could one upgrade to THX certified speakers down the road?


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I beleive it is both. However the THX cert isnt all that impressive. There are plenty of other speakers out there that would also meet the certification standards if tested im sure. I got the 9400 because its a very good system for the price, with or without the THX cert.

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Gotcha, thanks. I think the 9400 is definitely the better deal, though I wish it had tower speakers.


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I'm currently looking at the same systems on A4L and have been looking at the 7500.. Why do you say the 9400 is the better receiver? They are both 130W per channel, the specs seem very similar, and the 7500 has 7 HDMI inputs vs only 4 for the 8400. Part of my problem is that I already have 4 HDMI going to my current setup, so I cannot add anything else if I go with the 8400.. Also, its not just another $100, Its $200 more than the 7500 ($349 vs $549), unless I am missing something.


My main concern is getting a system that will last me years, The 7 HDMI's might be the kicker for me, but I'm curious as to why its a better receiver? I'm a relative newbie to the world of home theaters, so any input you have would be great. Thanks
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I actually ended up going with the S7500 yesterday. The S9400 is THX certified, but other than that, there isn't much difference that I can tell. I liked that the S7500 was networked which will come in handy since me and the fiance both listen to Pandora and streaming radio. Neither of us are audiophiles and since we're also saving for a wedding/honeymoon next year, the lower price tag of the S7500 and the fact that it had tower speakers was the deciding factors. We were able to save $41 on two additional stands too.

If you can spare the additional $100 or so, then why not get the system that's THX certified?

But, these folks might be able to give you much more insight than myself. I, like you, am somewhat of a noobie. The folks here are pretty solid so far.


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Oh, one more thing: since the systems are refurbished, I went ahead and bought the additional warranty too. It's only an extra $35 and it's worth the peace of mind, especially since this was my first refurbished purchase. So, if you're on a budget, maybe factor that in as well. Shipping for me came to $67.


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Sorry to revive an older thread.

 

I'm currently using a set of Logitech Z5500's for my gaming PC (I do listen to music as well, but no movies since I have another home theater & TV for that)

 

Would either the 1513BA's or S5500 be much of a sound quality upgrade for me? 

 

How well do these fair for PC Gaming? I have a xonar DX sound card (and also hdmi through my ati 7950)

 

Thanks in advance

 

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After much research, it seems like most people recommend to skip the 1513. So now I'm considering the 1613 paired with Polks RM705. Would that be a good upgrade compared to my existing z5500's?

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All of them will be and upgrade from your Z5500's.

But the Denon 1613 with another set of speakers is your best option.

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