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I am deciding between the Onkyo 770 and a Sony such as the DAV FR1 or HT 6800DP. I realize I will need a dvd player to go with the Onkyo if I get it. Anyone have any advice on which I might want to choose between this group of HTIB's??? Thanks for any information.
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I had a Sony HT-6800DP for a little bit, because I wanted to have a 6.1 home theater system. I was not too pleased with the sound quality on it...the speakers sounded tiny and I was not getting a full dynamic range of sound. I promptly returned it and picked up the Onkyo 770...what a difference! The sound quality on the Onkyo is simply the best out of any HTiB system out there. I had the volume just under the half mark while I was playing "Underworld," and my neighbor told me that the system was rattling his dishes (I live in an apartment). My X-Box sounds superb on it as well. To my ears, there is a much better dynamic range to the Onkyo speakers, and the Sony doesn't even come close to matching the depth of the Onkyo. If you want a quick HTiB solution, the Onkyo is the only way to go.

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No comparison, the Onkyo is much better.
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Unfortunately, Sony is for the masses, while Onkyo (and Yamaha) are more for the connoisseur. Sony cuts a lot of corners, such as few, if any, additional inputs or outputs, among other things. Unless you can get a tremendous deal on a top of the line Sony HTiB, stay away.

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look at the THD for both. I'm not sure about the sony model, but many of them state 10% THD, this is disgusting vs. the Onkyo's .08%. also, look at the signal to noise ration.

many sony's are set up so that when you put the volume to a mid level you can hear a great deal of noise in the background- it is very distracting. Sony is more well known for their video components not audio (but they dabble in it because it is a huge market and easy money with their video reputation)

go with Onkyo or Yamaha - audio industry leaders
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Well said.

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I'm looking at Sony and Onkyo too, because I wanted the quick fix that Phreaky_D mentioned. The total harmonic distortion (THD) issue is something that baffles me about most HTIB set-ups. Music lovers would question a 10% THD (not just Sony, other brands too), while the Onkyo at .08% sounds fine.

The Sony looks nicer, but I vote for the Onkyo.
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onkyo is better than sony, but why not spend the same money on the onkyo 502 receiver and better set of speakers, the ones that come with the 770 will have you wanting something better VERY soon...

for the same price, you can get the spherex system, which will sound better. also, you can get a good receiver and a set of good speakers that will sound better than the 770, for about the same price or less...

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I have the Sony HT 6600DP, and while I agree that out of the box with the supplied cables and wire, Sony systems sound like they could use a bit more "umph" so to speak. I have my speakers wired with 14 guage AR wire with banana plugs at the receiver end, and pin connectors at the speaker ends. I use AR performance series cables for my subwoofer, digital coax and component connections. I couldn't be happier. Everything is clear and pronounced, and the bass is deep and filling w/o having that hollow sound ( the level control on the sub is only 1/4 of the way up). Regardless, when the low frequencies are really active, you feel it. My point is that I think that some systems get a bad rap simply b/c of the cheap wire they come with.
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shogun,
if someone is on this website, I doubt they are still using the 22-24 gauge wire most systems come with. I also doubt that anyone who is on this website will judge a system beacuase of speaker wire rather than specs.

practically all systems come with crappy grade speaker wire and therefore it is a level playing field. The specs are what differentiate between the systems. I'm sure your system sounds great with all of your modifications but a system with a better signal to noise ratio and THD will just sound that much better with your same upgrades.


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the onkyo 502 power output is 75 watts/channel whereas the receiver that comes with the 770 is 130 watts/channel both at full bandwidth.
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When I was taking my father around to all of the stores to listen to receivers and HTIB's, I showed him the Onkyo setup. He really wanted Sony for some reason. We found a store that had a Sony setup and then to CC to listen to the Onkyo. I have a 56TXi mated with a 59AVi. I have Mirage Omni 260's up front, Omni CC center, Omni FX rears and a Paradigm PS1200 sub. I was really shocked at how good the Onkyo system sounded. The speakers were bland looking. I've owned several Onkyo's in the past and loved every one of them. I am amazed that Onkyo was able to put together this HTIB for such a very cheap price. If you insist on having a HTIB, the Onkyo is the way to go. I was able to talk my father into spending a little more money for a larger system, but I honestly feel this Onkyo system is fantastic.
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the onkyo 502 power output is 75 watts/channel whereas the receiver that comes with the 770 is 130 watts/channel both at full bandwidth.
actually, if you look closely, they're rated differently! the 502 is rated at 75 x 6 @ 20Hz - 20kHz, the receiver that comes with the 770 is rated at 130 x 6 @ 1 kHz, you can easily get more power out of a receiver at 1 kHz than at 20Hz - 20kHz. that's especially the case with only 1 channel driven during that rating, which is how onkyo rates their receivers. those 2 receivers are ALOT closer, as far as power output goes, than meets the eye. it's VERY easy to inflate numbers on paper...

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actually the product manuals that can be downloaded on onkyousa.com states both to be at full bandwidth, RMS and FTC(all channels driven at the same time as stipulated by the FTC). And, Onkyo customer support will tell you the same. I dont know why the specs on the site are different.

From the 770 manual:
"Power output:
All channels:130 W (8Ù, 20 Hz–20 kHz, FTC)"
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that's strange, the specs on the websites that i saw it listed on show it rated a 1 kHz, but i will look in it. the CC website also states that the 770 has 2 optical inputs, when it actually has 3 optical inputs, which is misleading. i don't know who maintains that site, but they need to raise the bar, there's alot of incorrect info on that site...

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if someone is on this website, I doubt they are still using the 22-24 gauge wire most systems come with.
The resistance of #24 AWG wire is approximately 27 ohms/1000 feet. For a run of 50 feet from the amplifier terminals to the speaker terminals, the total resistance of the wire would be 2.7 ohms. If the speaker resistance is 8 ohms, the total path resistance will be 10.7 ohms and approximately 25% of the output power will be lost in the wire. So if one needs to crank their amplifier gain up to the point it starts clipping (distortion!), larger speaker wire will provide a slight -- but probably not wildly perceptible improvement. If one is happy with the sound level when the volume control is midrange, then I don't see much need for larger speaker wire.
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Wow, I'm really surprised to read these reviews. I was thinking about picking up the Sony DAV-BC250 or a DAV-FR1. Both of those are pretty sweet lookin systems and didn't sound too bad at CompUSA. but from what I'm gathering the Onkyo is way better? Does the Onkyo come with a DVD player? If not, what are you guys using? The Onkyo seems to take up a lot of realestate and be somewhat of an eyesore compared to the sony. If sound is not your only consideration, do you guy still feel the Onkyo is that much of a better system?

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Any DVD will do. If you want hi-res sound there is a Samsung DVD-A,SACD player at CompUSA on closeout that can be had for less than $180.00.

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Wow, I'm really surprised to read these reviews. I was thinking about picking up the Sony DAV-BC250 or a DAV-FR1. Both of those are pretty sweet lookin systems and didn't sound too bad at CompUSA. but from what I'm gathering the Onkyo is way better? Does the Onkyo come with a DVD player? If not, what are you guys using? The Onkyo seems to take up a lot of realestate and be somewhat of an eyesore compared to the sony. If sound is not your only consideration, do you guy still feel the Onkyo is that much of a better system?

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Onkyo is a great system, but ass-ugly. If you want a great system that also looks good, see the Yamaha YHT-755, which you can purchase online for about $500.

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I went ahead and got the Sony DAV-FR1. It's perfect for my setup. It looks very sleek, sounds really good at low and moderate volumes, and was relatively cheap compared to the competition. I agree the Onkyo just didn't have the look and took up too much real estate. There was a panasonic that seemed to be pretty nice. I like how it had the conventional 5 disc tray. Sony's single slit 5-disc changer does not sound very smooth and is somewhat slow. But the over all system was far more attractive than the panny and they both sounded good for what I needed. This is a bedroom system and won't see lots of volume nor many hours of back to back play.

So far I'm very happy with the Sony if anyone else was considering one.

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