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post #1081 of 3363 Old 06-10-2007, 04:37 PM
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the room is my basement thats being finished, and the size would be approx. 12x24
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the room is my basement thats being finished, and the size would be approx. 12x24

Kind of depends on your layout...if you have your front soundstage on the short wall and your LP is 4 meters away, you'll need to play 6dbs louder to have the same volume as if you were 2 meters away.

I'm making this too complex. I used an Onkyo 5xx to drive R50s in a smaller room with no problems...I just didn't push it and neither will you if you're a bit cautious. 90dbs is plenty loud for music and with a sub, you should get into the 100s for movies if you want to without clipping the receiver.

Just don't turn to 11 and you'll be fine.

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Thanks, so is the 604 worth the CC price now? 350? Or do you really think the 504 is enough.
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Thanks, so is the 604 worth the CC price now? 350? Or do you really think the 504 is enough.

Go 604 if you are doing HD DVD or Blu Ray.
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Hi everyone,

Is it still possible to get "refreshed" (I'm also unclear on what that means) Athena F2.2s for 99/ea? Or am I reading previous posts wrong? Thanks for any clarification.

Have just begun to think about putting together the replacement for my Onkyo HT-S780, and want to thank everyone for the thread. It's been stellar.


Grr.... Unfortunately not and I sat on my hands for too long. I just spoke with Tim at Audio Advisors. He has one pair of factory refreshed F1.2 left for $79.99 ea. and one of each of the subs, but the refreshed 2.2s are gone and wont be coming back.

I'm at a complete loss now, maybe I'll just opt for the x-series.

If anyone is interested in the 1.2s you'll have to call Audio Advisors as the link is gone from the web site. 800-942-0220.
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Grr.... Unfortunately not and I sat on my hands for too long. I just spoke with Tim at Audio Advisors. He has one pair of factory refreshed F1.2 left for $79.99 ea. and one of each of the subs, but the refreshed 2.2s are gone and wont be coming back.

I'm at a complete loss now, maybe I'll just opt for the x-series.

If anyone is interested in the 1.2s you'll have to call Audio Advisors as the link is gone from the web site. 800-942-0220.


Yeah, I had my cart loaded up last night with two Athena bookshelfs, two rears, and a center. Then I saw the $88.41 shipping cost and abandoned the cart. Even if the overall deal is still decent, principle alone wouldn't allow me to spend almost $100 on shipping some small speakers.

Am I being stupid here?

-tony

p.s. With that set-up, can I get away with not having a sub if my primary use is TV, ps3, and the occasional streamed mps3?
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Well, given that you can get free shipping from Vanns and Amazon, it's certainly worth comparing what you could get by spending those shipping $ on speakers. Sometimes J&R has free shipping, too.

Anyway, if I were building an ultrabudget system for a small room, I'd be curious about this $115 sub:
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-AMERICA-V-.../dp/B00009WBYK

P.S. Though I'd be a lot more curious about this one at $138:
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...ber=2ATASP4000
Athena - Audition AS-P4000 Powered 10" Subwoofer - Factory Refreshed
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Yeah, I had my cart loaded up last night with two Athena bookshelfs, two rears, and a center. Then I saw the $88.41 shipping cost and abandoned the cart. Even if the overall deal is still decent, principle alone wouldn't allow me to spend almost $100 on shipping some small speakers.

Am I being stupid here?


That does sound a little high. When I called for a shipping quote on the 2 floorstanding, 2 bi-poles and center it was only $85. Not sure where they're shipping from, or to in your case, but the question is subjective.

What is your budget?

Have you decided 100% that these are the speakers you have to have?

Ask yourself those two questions and decide if $88.41 makes it a stupid decision. Keep in mind you're also saving $$ you would spend on tax at a B&M retailer.
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Yeah, I had my cart loaded up last night with two Athena bookshelfs, two rears, and a center. Then I saw the $88.41 shipping cost and abandoned the cart. Even if the overall deal is still decent, principle alone wouldn't allow me to spend almost $100 on shipping some small speakers.

Am I being stupid here?

Lets see, just a week or two ago those same Athenas were $119/pr plus shipping. Now they're $99/pr or $79/pr depending if you're buying the B1 or B1.2. The center was $140 plus shipping until very recently, now its $99.

So you've saved $40 on the B1 and $40 on the C1 over the regular price which balances out the shipping costs. I looked around on Amazon and Ebay and the B1.2 goes anywhere from $130 shipped to $147 shipped.

Let me asked you this, if the B1 cost $130/pr with free shipping would you buy it?

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Perhaps one of these package deals is a better option? Includes sub.

http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/c...?pid=875&sc=27
http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/c...?pid=874&sc=27


I think best bang for the buck speaker deal was the AR VP25 bookshelfs for $49/pr at mcmelectronics.com. Shipping was only $8.99 for one pair and $9.99 for two pairs. But it looks like people finally figured it out and bought them all up. They had been going for that price since last December. At one time they had over 250 pairs.

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The wife really doesn't want a sub messing with the feng-shui in the room, so I'm really trying to get away without one.

As for budget, I'd prefer to keep the total speaker package around $500.

Are the Athenas the speakers for me? Well I dunno. They seem well regarded around here and they have a few good things going for them in my book: the size seems about right, I like the bi-pole surrounds with easy wall mounting, they are attractive enough for WAF. As for sound quality, since I have no easy way of hearing them in person I suppose I'll have to trust the crowd consensus.

Is there anyone in here that has heard them first-hand that can vouch for them? Is there a better option I should be looking at for my $500? What about the Cerwin-Vega CVHD 5.1 set?
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I'm putting together a 5.1 system and would love some recommendations for my surrounds. I already have a set of Acoustic Research ARXP62 bookshelf speakers and an Acoustic Research ARXP242C center channel. I'll probably be getting an Onkyo or a Panasonic XR55/57 receiver. What would be a good/affordable match? Thanks alot.
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I'm putting together a 5.1 system and would love some recommendations for my surrounds. I already have a set of Acoustic Research ARXP62 bookshelf speakers and an Acoustic Research ARXP242C center channel. I'll probably be getting an Onkyo or a Panasonic XR55/57 receiver. What would be a good/affordable match? Thanks alot.

Speakers from the same line are optimal. If you can get another pair of ARXP62s that would work or the ARXP52 or 42 would also be a great match for surrounds.
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There's some AR VP24 speakers on ebay for $59/pr new on ebay. Would make great surrounds with the rest of your system.

Item number: 120130566118

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Well I've got most of my new HT setup together in the new house. Still have to make stands for the surrounds and hook 'em up, but the honey do list is pretty long at this point (fence finished up, paint, etc etc etc).

Here's my setup and costs:

51F59 hitachi 51" Rear Projection CRT $600 (new on sale)
Insignia Upconvert 1080i DVD player $50
Onkyo 504 Receiver (new) $160
Polk R150's for fronts and surrounds $115
Polk Center Channel $82
Cables - from cablemart $35
Speaker Wire (14ga) $35
(2) Audio Piers from Target $70 x 2

I'm under $1300 for everything. (that will include my cost for building stands for my surrounds).

While I'm sure my ears / eyes may not be as well-trained as many on here...after tweaking the TV a bit, using suggestions from this site, and getting everything setup, I love the setup....and I don't even have the surrounds or a sub installed yet. My wife even commented on how much better everything looks and sounds.

I hope to have the surrounds installed in a few weeks, and by Fall I'm going to go ahead and order a sub.

I know many people read these forums, and see the high $$$ setups many have here, and maybe they think they can't setup a nice HT for their house without breaking the bank or whipping out the plastic....but as a confirmed tight wad and non-expert for HT, I'm impressed with the setup I have now. I'm sure it's considered low-end, but I'm very happy with it, and I haven't even thought twice about it being worth the time and money I've spent on it, so that in itself is a good thing...in my opinion.
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51F59 hitachi 51" Rear Projection CRT $600 (new on sale)
Insignia Upconvert 1080i DVD player $50
Onkyo 504 Receiver (new) $160
Polk R150's for fronts and surrounds $115
Polk Center Channel $82
Cables - from cablemart $35
Speaker Wire (14ga) $35
(2) Audio Piers from Target $70 x 2

Wow, those are some good prices! Well put together setup and very cheap!
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There's some AR VP24 speakers on ebay for $59/pr new on ebay. Would make great surrounds with the rest of your system.

Item number: 120130566118

I'd love to use these but I think they will be too large. The way my room is setup, I'm gonna have to wall mount my surrounds and these are big and heavy. I'll have to look into it. I am wanting something a good bit smaller that I can use with those rotating wall mounts. How important is it to have surrounds made by the same company?
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Not that important really. Surrounds are mainly for background noises and if you're not listening to 5 channel music like DVD Audio or SACD, just go with something that fits your needs.

Maybe one of these would work? They come with wall mounts.

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3196783

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=300-670

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Well I've got most of my new HT setup together in the new house. Still have to make stands for the surrounds and hook 'em up, but the honey do list is pretty long at this point (fence finished up, paint, etc etc etc).

Here's my setup and costs:

51F59 hitachi 51" Rear Projection CRT $600 (new on sale)
Insignia Upconvert 1080i DVD player $50
Onkyo 504 Receiver (new) $160
Polk R150's for fronts and surrounds $115
Polk Center Channel $82
Cables - from cablemart $35
Speaker Wire (14ga) $35
(2) Audio Piers from Target $70 x 2

I also own the Hitachi 51F59. Great TV, I picked it up for the same price on Black Friday last year at BB. The only problem I have with it is the soft screen. If you have young children I would suggest making a makeshift screen protector from a piece of plexiglas and velcro. I've already had to replace the screen once and it came close to the original purchase price of the TV.

Back on topic, can you tell me where you found the Onkyo 504 for $160 new?
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Not that important really. Surrounds are mainly for background noises and if you're not listening to 5 channel music like DVD Audio or SACD, just go with something that fits your needs.

Maybe one of these would work? They come with wall mounts.

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3196783

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=300-670

Thanks alot. Those Dayton speakers look pretty good. Good price too. Anyone have any experience with them?
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Back on topic, can you tell me where you found the Onkyo 504 for $160 new?

My local Fry's electronics has the 504 for $149 new.
http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/...16449203&type=

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Man, this place is expensive! I was totally set on getting an Onkyo HTIB to go with my Sammy 5087, but no, I had to come here.

I've decided on the following setup and I wanted to make sure that together, this system will operate nicely.

Polk RM20 set - (2 front, 2 surround, and 1 center)
Onkyo 604
Velodyne VRP-1000

Can I get an opinion from some the forum gurus?
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Not that important really. Surrounds are mainly for background noises and if you're not listening to 5 channel music like DVD Audio or SACD, just go with something that fits your needs.

Maybe one of these would work? They come with wall mounts.

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3196783

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=300-670

As afrogt says...for movies, not as much, though you will hear a difference during panning effects and a timbre matched setup will sound better. I've gone from a matched system, to an upgraded mismatched system with better surrounds that sounded better, back to a matched system that is the bomb. It is noticeable...if you can afford the space or the $$$ you should try to stay within the same timbre matched speaker line. However, timbre matching is a goal, not a requirement.

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My local Fry's electronics has the 504 for $149 new.
http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/...16449203&type=

Thanks,

Unfortunately no Fry's in MN and I don't think their web site will honor an in store price.

Can anyone confirm that?
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I'm setting up a 3.1 system for HT & video gaming, with an Onkyo 504 receiver, and I need some serious help. Debating between:

Polk R50's
vs
Athena B1.2's +C1.2
vs
AV123 X-Series (distinctly more expensive)

plus I need some sub advice. Help?
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Thanks,

Unfortunately no Fry's in MN and I don't think their web site will honor an in store price.

Can anyone confirm that?

You are correct. Fry's online will not price match with B&M stores. I tried a couple of weeks ago during thier Memorial Day sale. You can get a refurbished unit on Amazon for $170 shipped. A new one is $203 (they used to have it for $159).
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New 504 unit $179 with free shipping.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Receiver.html

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I'm setting up a 3.1 system for HT & video gaming, with an Onkyo 504 receiver, and I need some serious help. Debating between:

Polk R50's
vs
Athena B1.2's +C1.2
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AV123 X-Series (distinctly more expensive)

plus I need some sub advice. Help?

All those are fine choices...depends on what you are looking for. For a music first or 50/50 system the x-series would be my first choice. The R50s are a good all rounder and throw a nice large soundstage and detailed midbass-midrange and the Athenas are well received too. They all sound different, but very good with the x-series having a nice warm/refined sound that I prefer for music. However, I owned R50s and I wouldn't have moved to the x-series from there...not enough of an upgrade. In fact, there were many speakers I listened to that were slightly more to my liking, but I couldn't justify...had to look around awhile.

Any of the subs mentioned would work fine...

xsub
Bic
ED A2-250 or 300

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Wow Frys shows it for $239 now. I caught it on sale I guess for $159.


http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...535?v_c=Nextag

$189 there
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Well I got the X-sub from av123 a little over a week ago, but haven't posted yet because I've been busy lately. I have had the pleasure now of watching some new movies with the new setup and I'm very pleased. For the money you can't get a HTIB to come close to the sound, and I'm very happy w/ all the components. For reference for those that don't remember my setup..

Hk avr235, Polk R50's for the front L/R, Csi25 center, and X-sub. I am very impressed with the X-sub for the $. The thing came packaged so well it looked like it could've been dropped from an airplane w/o damaging it. The finish and quality also looks top notch. The SQ is equally as impressive IMO, especially for the price. Yes I waited a little over 3 weeks till I received it from when I placed the order but it was worth the wait.

Overall with the setup I think SQ is great, and an incredible bang for the buck. Music sounds very good and the R50's reproduce solid mid bass, and the sub does a great job with the lows. No, the setup is not better than many very expensive speakers/receivers/etc., but I think it's a great compromise for people looking for good SQ, on a reasonable budget, and sounds infinitely better than the old HTIB setup. I appreciate the advice from people on this forum recommending the HK receiver. I have always liked HK's warmer sound and I'm very happy with the setup. This is a bedroom setup for me so I don't have any rear speakers btw..
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