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thefyn's Avatar thefyn
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I was going to do a 3-1 mix with silverscreen. Not my first choice (which was blackwidow mix) but I have a housewarming tomorrow and I need a screen fast from local places.

I went into Home Depot and the dude told me that the white opal had been discontinued.

So it looks like I need to brighten it up. But what can I get from Home Depot or Sherman Williams? I need suggestions from the big chains as I can't ship. I already have the silverscreen.
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What projector do you have.and do you have
total control over the light in your room.
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I think you're out of luck at Home Depot. I don't know if Sherwin-Williams stores sell a pearlescent paint or not. If you have a Lowe's nearby, they sell several pearl or pearlescent paints; look for them in the Faux Finish area of the Paint Department.

If you have a Michael's, or other craft/art store, near you, just about any brand of white pearl or pearlescent paint would work. Those that I have tested are very much the same.
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What projector do you have.and do you have
total control over the light in your room.

I have a Mitsubishi HC3000, yellow walls, bright environment. (very open, lots of windows albeit with curtains)

I am new to this. Could I be okay with untainted SS?

It is ceiling mounted. I am having some keystone problems and just purchased a longer bar for my projector so it can be more level (vaulted ceilings).
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I think you're out of luck at Home Depot. I don't know if Sherwin-Williams stores sell a pearlescent paint or not. If you have a Lowe's nearby, they sell several pearl or pearlescent paints; look for them in the Faux Finish area of the Paint Department.

If you have a Michael's, or other craft/art store, near you, just about any brand of white pearl or pearlescent paint would work. Those that I have tested are very much the same.

So perlescent is an industry term? Ah good. I thought it was a specific finish from Behr. I am from the UK in the USA so I am not up on my brand names yet :-)

I have a Lowes. Does anyone know a specific name/code so I don't have the pant mixer confused.
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Go to Lowes
and ask for 1982 Winter Mountain
it is a Tru Value tru-colors paint
they have it in the computer this is
about as good as it gets for a room like yours.
have them mix it in Valspar flat enamel.
the RGB values are great on this color
199-201-200 so it will not push one color more than another.
helps with whites.
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Go to Lowes
and ask for 1982 Winter Mountain
it is a Tru Value tru-colors paint
they have it in the computer this is
about as good as it gets for a room like yours.
have them mix it in Valspar flat enamel.
the RGB values are great on this color
199-201-200 so it will not push one color more than another.
helps with whites.

I already bought the ss. Is this to mix with it or a total alt?
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This is a totally Alt color to SS.
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So perlescent is an industry term? Ah good. I thought it was a specific finish from Behr. I am from the UK in the USA so I am not up on my brand names yet :-)

I have a Lowes. Does anyone know a specific name/code so I don't have the pant mixer confused.

Don't know if this is in time to help you or not...

I haven't used either of these so I can't recommend one over the other.

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...-EA&lpage=none

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...259&lpage=none

Just saw the post by bigbassman64. I agree that if you are not set on the SS/pearl mix that Valspar Ultra Premium Enamel flat or Behr #1850 tinted to match "Tru-Colors 'Winter Mountain'" would be a more neutral screen. This paint is about N8. Don't put the pearl paint in this or it will throw off the neutrality.
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Use the Winter Mountain tint, or something close to it in a very flat base. The flat base should help eliminate roller marks, and create a smooth surface. You can always change later if you want.
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Update, I painted the wall with just the silver screen.

It is pretty decent, but I have a feeling I can get a better image.

I have the SS so I might as well use it so I am still looking for a trusted/pearlecant style paint that has been used with SS and had positive results.

So keep em coming!
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The simple solution was for you to mix in Delta Ceramcoat "White Pearl". Easily found at all Michael's Arts & Crafts Stores. 2- 8 oz. Bottles into 2 quarts SS.

Zzzzzap.

Seems no one cared to relate that simple, well known aternative 'fix', and I'm sorry and I apoligize that I missed this thread. When your ready to ramp up the equation, head for "The Bottoms".
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The simple solution was for you to mix in Delta Ceramcoat "White Pearl". Easily found at all Michael's Arts & Crafts Stores. 2- 8 oz. Bottles into 2 quarts SS.

Zzzzzap.

Seems no one cared to relate that simple, well known aternative 'fix', and I'm sorry and I apoligize that I missed this thread. When your ready to ramp up the equation, head for "The Bottoms".


Thanks M man! I will go that route.
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Thanks M man! I will go that route.

Actual Stock # 02601
Delta Ceramcoat "Gleams" Pearl Finish

Go a little further and add 16 oz of a (1 quart can ) of "water based" Minwax Polyacrylic Clear Satin (Home Depot)

All told you'll be adding 1 quart total liquid to 2 quarts SS The Pearl will add just enough "lightening-reflective" properties to make a noticeable difference. The Minwax will increase "depth" within the coating, and assist in getting a smoother application.

However, be advised that you'll have a slight drop in overall resistance to higher levels of ambient light, especially that which can cross the screen's surface. Just keep light from washing directly onto the screen's surface and you'll get the best results in your given circumstance

Your walls are what they are, but really, the ceiling will be your biggest 'reflector'.

I suppose you 'rolled"? Be sure to follow Tiddlers comprehensive Thread on Rolling Techniques. The Poly will help a lot, but nothing beats correct application methods.

Like spraying.
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ok, now you've taken something simple (SS) and made it much harder than it needs to be... not to mention a decrease in overall performance from other proven diy apps.

since your gonna be mixing this on your own now, make it real easy on yourself,

grab the following from home depot:
1 quart of behr 4850 flat
1 quart of Minwax Polyacrylic Satin (water based)
1 an empty gallon mixing container.

grab the following from michael's art store:
2 - 8 oz. bottles gleams ceramcoat pearl
1 - 8 oz. bottle gleams ceramcoat silver

mix the full quart of behr 4850, 1/2 quart of the minwax, two 8oz. bottles of pearl, and 1 8oz. bottle of silver into the empty gallon bucket.
mix thoroughly. did i mention mix thoroughly?!

roll or spray. choose your poison.

whether you've got a great screen or mediocre one will almost solely depend on your ability to apply the mix to the medium or substrate of your choice.

technique. technique. technique.
MississippiMan's Avatar MississippiMan
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ok, now you've taken something simple (SS) and made it much harder than it needs to be... not to mention a decrease in overall performance from other proven diy apps.

Mebbie sew......but the OP said he already ha SS up on the wall, and that he wasn't satisfied. Said he wanted to retain as much as the Ambient Light rejection qualities as possible (...a needful thing with all those windows and yellow walls...)

Personally, I like the mix you presented....reminds me a lot of my older concoctions like MMud-SE and even more akin to good 'ol RS-MaxxMudd. You've been doing some reading.

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1 quart of behr 4850 flat
1 quart of Minwax Polyacrylic Satin (water based)
1 an empty gallon mixing container.

grab the following from michael's art store:
2 - 8 oz. bottles gleams ceramcoat pearl
1 - 8 oz. bottle gleams ceramcoat silver

mix the full quart of behr 4850, 1/2 quart of the minwax, two 8oz. bottles of pearl, and 1 8oz. bottle of silver into the empty gallon bucket.
mix thoroughly. did i mention mix thoroughly?!

Using a Drill Powered Squirrel Cage Mixer is best.

Quote:
roll or spray. choose your poison.

whether you've got a great screen or mediocre one will almost solely depend on your ability to apply the mix to the medium or substrate of your choice.

technique. technique. technique.

Your best advice yet....but probably lost on the OP at present. I'm betting he Rolled, especially since the screen is "inside". Still to hope is to perchance to dream...eh?

OP, ididit2's suggestion is superior, and only adds Delta Silver Metallic and one other ingredient (Behr 1480 Flat -UPW-) while eliminating the SS itself. But the resulting difference is way over the top, performance wise compared to SS. It's not really difficult at all, and raises the cost by about only $25.00 or so. But as far as it goes, it's technically a virtually neutral Silvery Gray, with at /over 1.3 gain.

In my reckoning, only the "Lite" Silver Fire mixes top it for performance. best of all, it will combat controlled ambient light as good or better than a "lightened" SS, but deliver a much...MUCH better image.

But if you want to stick with the premixed SS, and you have at least a full quart left, you can pile it all together and your end result will still be better with a dash of that Silver in there, replacing the similar amount of SS in the mix.

Thanks for your intercession, ididit2. I've seen you pop in several times recently with good advice. Don't ever be hesitant to do so.

(...is anybody? )
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this is a good thread. I need to do another screen and with Behr White Opal Pearlescent gone, I need a new mix.

It's to bad cause that old mix was really good. I've done 4 screens with that and all are holding up solid. And this was 3 years ago.

Anyways good info on this one. Thanks.
Joey
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Originally Posted by joeykissimmee View Post

this is a good thread. I need to do another screen and with Behr White Opal Pearlescent gone, I need a new mix.

It's to bad cause that old mix was really good. I've done 4 screens with that and all are holding up solid. And this was 3 years ago.

Anyways good info on this one. Thanks.
Joey

We got'cher back.

But exactly what was the formula if the older Mix?
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