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Check your spray gun, that the needle tip is not blocked or maybe check what spray setting you have the gun set to.
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thanks for the tip, I think i figured out the problem.
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Are the Wagner control spray and double duty still good guns to use even though they come stock with the 2.0 needle instead of the original 1.5mm needle?
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Is the Wagner control spray and double duty still viable choices for spray gun even though they now come stock with 2.0 needle?
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Is the Wagner control spray and double duty still viable choices for spray gun even though they now come stock with 2.0 needle?
Haven't ya asked this same question at least 19 times before?

Don't answer....it's been at least 12 times.

If you try / do use those larger size needles, a "Duster" becomes a rapid sweep across the screen. At least 2x faster than when using a Graco with a 1.5 mm Tip.

You don't get crazy because the droplets look like splatters either.

You just fly though a coating....let it dry....do it again...and continue doing it over and over until you fill in all the surface evenly.

Every initial S-I-L-V-E-R I sprayed was done using the original Control Spray (2.0 mm Tip) And the only way it could be / was successfully done was by doing very rapidly applied coats.

The Double Duty has a 2.2 mm Tip, and when I used that Gun I ALWAYS used the original 1.5 mm Control Spray Head. I also did likewise with the Control Spray Plus & Max Turbines...and these days I use the CS Max w/a adapted Hose so I can use the Graco 2900/3500 Heads with a 1.0 mm needle.

I do not...have not...would never use the 2.2 mm needle assembly. At least not since the very first couple of screens I sprayed using MMud undiluted. The result was a very coarse, almost sand-papery surface. And a absolute TON of over spray.

Let that be the final word on the matter.

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We've Went over about the guns..yes, but I had come under the conclusion that you didn't want to use them because of the bigger needle size. The reason I'm asking is after all this time and all the problems I've had it was due to a faulty turbine. I've known for a bit that something was off when I was spraying some normal latex paint. It didn't seem to be quit as smooth as I re all it. Well..when I tried to spray some semi gloss or gloss the paint was coming out horrible. I couldn't turn the paint flow dial past 30 clicks without it spitting BAD! For some reason it wasn't atomizzing the paint correctly. And before anyone ask..yes i have checked everything and done everything possible to fix it...over and over. So, need to buy another system..nongraco. I did consider the wagner maX but it's a tad pricey. I don't know I might just get it. What is your best recommendation on this price wise?
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Least expensive workable option:

http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-0417005.../dp/B000DZBP60


.....or get this Combo w/a "Detail Head"

http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-0518080...x+HVLP+Sprayer

http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-Detail-...FF3BVX92D1N2PT

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I had discussed this product before but I think I'll get the wagner optistain plus shown here:

http://www.lowes.com/pd_561012-97-05...tain&facetInfo=

it seems to be the wagner control spray rehashed in a slightly diff way...Pretty sure the needle is 2.0 mm.

WOW! Is the detail head a smaller needle then the standered 2.0??

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WOW! Is the detail head a smaller needle then the standard 2.0??
It certainly should be, and the difference is obvious.

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saw this at homedepot:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Wagner-Pa...specifications

It appears you can buy the detail tip and attach it to this spray station as well. Would it work??
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It is not of the same power as the Max, nor does it have adjustable pressure at the rear.

With both being the same price, the Max becomes a No Brainer choice. And most likely through Amazon you will pay no Tax.

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You were talking about a adapter so you could use the graco gun with the wagner control max, How did you do that???
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okay...I got the wagner control max. Thankfully had some Amazon reward points so was a little cheaper. Also, the current thickness of my silver fire is for a lesser power unit...How will I deal with that with the control spray max that pushes more air out??

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Hey all,

I have a BenQ w1080st projector. I'm planning on either a 92" or 100" diagonal screen. My room is small, but has no windows. What version of Silver Fire do you think I should use? I'll be projecting from only about 5.5' away. I'm attaching some images I took last night projecting on a bed sheet. To me, it's already pretty bright! If I can achieve even bright with lights on, I'll be quite happy!
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okay...I got the wagner control max. Thankfully had some Amazon reward points so was a little cheaper. Also, the current thickness of my silver fire is for a lesser power unit...How will I deal with that with the control spray max that pushes more air out??
Look on the back of the Turbine....there is a big Thumb Wheel Air Flow adjustment.

You can clearly see it in the Photo...and I mentioned that the Max had such two posts Back.

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It is not of the same power as the Max, nor does it have adjustable pressure at the rear.
I usually set it Full On.....but that is with a 1.0 needle stopping back pressure. Set it at 75" and you should do nicely.

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Hey all,

I have a BenQ w1080st projector. I'm planning on either a 92" or 100" diagonal screen. My room is small, but has no windows. What version of Silver Fire do you think I should use? I'll be projecting from only about 5.5' away. I'm attaching some images I took last night projecting on a bed sheet. To me, it's already pretty bright! If I can achieve even bright with lights on, I'll be quite happy!
Anyone have suggestions? Is 2.0 on the Silver Fire good since it already seems pretty bright? would 4.0 be too bright?
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Anyone have suggestions? Is 2.0 on the Silver Fire good since it already seems pretty bright? would 4.0 be too bright?
Unless I'm mistaken, the different (1,2,3,4,5) adders of SF aren't supposed to be higher or lower peak gain versions. The gain is supposed to stay the same, but higher numbers get progressively darker (when no projector image is present) and fight more light but also chance higher and higher risk of showing sparkles (I believe 1,2, and sometimes 3 are listed to be sparkle-free).
SF at 2 is probably a very safe bet.
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Thank you Ftoast! I guess that's what I meant, not that they would actually be more gain, but that they would help fight ambient light. Thank you! I was thinking of going with a 2, but didn't know for sure!
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Look on the back of the Turbine....there is a big Thumb Wheel Air Flow adjustment.

You can clearly see it in the Photo...and I mentioned that the Max had such two posts Back.



I usually set it Full On.....but that is with a 1.0 needle stopping back pressure. Set it at 75" and you should do nicely.

how about the adapter to hook the graco gun to the control max turbine.
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